Strontium Dog
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| posted on 8/12/12 at 10:10 AM |
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Originally posted by David Jenkins
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Originally posted by 02GF74
The DJ's did nothing wrong nor anything different than what we see on Candid Camera, Beadle's about, You've been framed or one of
Noel Edmond's stunts.
You're not holding them up as examples of good programmes, are you?!
They're a total waste of TV time...
I seem to remember that things didn’t work out too well for one of Noels stunt victims now did it? Cheap garbage broadcasting is what it is and
Scootz is bang on when he says that they were wasting the time of the hospital. I think if I started phoning my local hospital with prank calls
I'd soon be in some trouble so why is it all right for celebrities to do it in the name of entertainment?!
http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x319/zephyr2000/General%20forum%20uploads/?action=view¤t=3DEngine.mp4
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02GF74
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| posted on 8/12/12 at 01:24 PM |
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How do you know the staff are busy dealing with sick pateient? You work there? You been there? Somehow I doubt it so so it is pure speculation.
From what I read, her job is to man the reception desk so she is not dealing with patients.... but that is neither here nor there.
Yes - Micheal Leash (sp?) if memory serves me well died as a result of Noel's practical joke..... but until that moment the UK public roaring
with laughter in their settees.
But I don't really care about the "quality" of those programmes. The point I was making is that this phone call is no different to
the pranks and japes shown on those programmes. Nobody objected to them, in fact they would not run for as long as they did it they were not
popular.
If you have never laughed at somebody else's expense, then you may cast the first stone but I am sure you have so please get off your high
horses.
The public's obsession with trash news media and the blame culture means that now somebody else is being made to take the blame. She made a
small mistake, overreacted with tragic consequences.
I see there were two scenarios:
1. She admits she made genuine mistake but no harm was done and life goes one = sensible.
2. Kills herself leaving family behind = stupid.
I'm leaving it there.
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scootz
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| posted on 8/12/12 at 02:13 PM |
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Originally posted by 02GF74
How do you know the staff are busy dealing with sick patients...
Cos it's a hospital FFS!
It's Evolution Baby!
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blakep82
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| posted on 8/12/12 at 02:28 PM |
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^ the evidence all adds up!
Micheal Lush DIDN'T die from a practical joke, it was a stunt that he was training for on the show, and was killed in rehersals when a carabiner
sprang loose
On 13 November 1986, self-employed hod carrier Michael Lush was killed during his first rehearsal for another live stunt. The stunt, called
"Hang 'em High", involved bungee jumping from an exploding box suspended from a 120 ft-high crane. The carabiner clip attaching his
bungee rope to the crane sprang loose from its eyebolt during the jump. He died instantly of multiple injuries, and the Breakfast Show was
'cancelled as well as all future editions' on 15 November. This led to Edmonds's resignation.
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don't write OT on a new thread title, you're creating the topic, everything you write is very much ON topic!
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britishtrident
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| posted on 8/12/12 at 02:42 PM |
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ISTR The investigation concluded there was no reason attributed why the carabiner wasn't attached, that show was an accident waiting to
happen, if you notice now all shows invovling stunts or dangerous games are filmed outside the UK in territory with less stringent or non-existant
health and safety laws.
[Edited on 8/12/12 by britishtrident]
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
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Dusty
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| posted on 8/12/12 at 03:21 PM |
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The DJs made a hoax call falsely representing themselves in an attempt to obtain information they were not entitled to have or just as a joke. The
nurse who was fooled is now dead. Information is lacking but there is a suspicion that the nurse took her own life. The events appear to be linked.
I can see that they could not have predicted that outcome but fail to see how they bear absolutely no responsibility for her death.
After all it does seem that if the phone call had not taken place the nurse would not have taken her own life, if that is indeed what she has done.
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JoelP
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| posted on 8/12/12 at 06:05 PM |
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I would agree the DJs bear no real blame here. No sane person would have killed themselves over this, and it was not at all foreseeable - not even
remotely.
I think more under the spotlight is conditions and staff welfare in hospitals, that the staff are under such stress and pressure that this can happen.
Really, its her managers who want to be in for a grilling.
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will121
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| posted on 8/12/12 at 06:33 PM |
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Originally posted by 02GF74.
I see there were two scenarios:
1. She admits she made genuine mistake but no harm was done and life goes one = sensible.
2. Kills herself leaving family behind = stupid.
I'm leaving it there.
In my opinion a rather to simplistic attitude to a rather complex issue
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britishtrident
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| posted on 8/12/12 at 07:37 PM |
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Originally posted by JoelP
I would agree the DJs bear no real blame here. No sane person would have killed themselves over this, and it was not at all foreseeable - not even
remotely.
I think more under the spotlight is conditions and staff welfare in hospitals, that the staff are under such stress and pressure that this can happen.
Really, its her managers who want to be in for a grilling.
The DJ's bear no direct blame but it doesn’t alter the fact hoax calls are in poor taste a nasty cheap stunt that only show the low regard
TV and radio shows that use such hold for their audience. For a while a few years back our local commercial radio station (Radio Clyde) was using
hoax calls as a feature of their breakfast show, it was so awful to listen to I simply had to reset my alarm-radio to a different channel.
The broadcast media seem to to be going through a phase where in so called "reality" shows anything that is cruel or insulting to a
competitor or member of the public is considered to make good show.
[Edited on 8/12/12 by britishtrident]
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
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Bare
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| posted on 8/12/12 at 07:50 PM |
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Jokesters meet a Nutter with tragic result.
Move on kids.
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Mr C
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| posted on 8/12/12 at 07:55 PM |
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This is one of the worst threads I've read in a long time, I'm dissapointed and irritated by some of the posts here that clearly show
little or no compassion for the death of a fellow human, to call her act of suicide a crime is sick beyond belief, when all she is trying to do is to
care for people when they are unable to care for themselves. who knows what was going through her mind at the time, inconsolable, distraught, quilty
maybe but a criminal. what a load of bollocks.
Have some respect. or crawl back under the stone you came from.
Thank you to those that showed some restraint and respect when posting their thoughts
btw I am a practicing nurse and have been for 30 years before anyone asks.
My deepest sympathies goes to the poor nurse and those affected by this sad loss.
Girl walks into a bar and asks for a double entendre, so the barman gave her one
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JoelP
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| posted on 8/12/12 at 08:35 PM |
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Originally posted by Mr C
This is one of the worst threads I've read in a long time, I'm dissapointed and irritated by some of the posts here that clearly show
little or no compassion for the death of a fellow human, to call her act of suicide a crime is sick beyond belief, when all she is trying to do is to
care for people when they are unable to care for themselves. who knows what was going through her mind at the time, inconsolable, distraught, quilty
maybe but a criminal. what a load of bollocks.
Have some respect. or crawl back under the stone you came from.
Thank you to those that showed some restraint and respect when posting their thoughts
btw I am a practicing nurse and have been for 30 years before anyone asks.
My deepest sympathies goes to the poor nurse and those affected by this sad loss.
I stand by my comment there (never mind that suicide literally is a crime), depriving two kids of their mother is worse than what the DJs did. Maybe
this prank has tipped her over the edge, but one has to wonder how she ended up at the edge in the first place. She must have been suffering
depression, or ridiclous stress at work, and the people who let this situation arise also bear more responsibility than the DJs.
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Confused but excited.
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| posted on 8/12/12 at 08:59 PM |
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Originally posted by whitestu
It'll have the conspiracy theorists blowing a fuse!
Since the 14th Edition, we have all been on breakers, thank you.
Joking aside, that is terrible news. Those two aussie tw@ts should be flogged with a stocking full of hot poo, then given the frosty Fir tree
treastment, after all it is Christmas!
Tell them about the bent treacle edges!
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britishtrident
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| posted on 8/12/12 at 10:07 PM |
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There are a whole load of questions that haven't been raised with regard to hospital and its' management practises.
Laying aside personnel management issues raised by this tragic death this hospital regularly treats VIP & Royal patients but seems to have had
no established system for screening calls, also questions should also be asked of the palace staff and the Royal Protection Squad as to why simple
security checks were not in place.
Suicide has never been a crime in this country for obvious reasons, there was a crime of attempted suicide but this was expunged because it acts as a
block to people in a fragile mental health getting effective help and thus actually increased the number of attempted and successful suicide
attempts In countries such as the Irish Republic where attempted suicide is still a crime it is almost invariable because of pressure from an
official state church who regard it as a crime against God not not a crime against the dependants, family and friends who have to cope with the
tragedy not mention those ho have clean up the mess.
Suicide is dreadful thing to do to your family it sends out ripples that harm a wide circle of people many of whom never met the original person but
don't forget the person who commits suicide is a usually victim of his or her depressive or bi-polar mental state.
Actually the percentage number of suicide attempts that succeed are higher among those who are bi-polar, to the outsider they seem the life and
soul of the party or the brilliant creative ones but they are locked in a destructive cycle of highs and-lows often the lows don't rear
their ugly black heads until the age of 40. Don't ask for whom the bell tolls it may toll for you.
[Edited on 8/12/12 by britishtrident]
[I] “ What use our work, Bennet, if we cannot care for those we love? .”
― From BBC TV/Amazon's Ripper Street.
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Mr C
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| posted on 8/12/12 at 10:51 PM |
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Mental illness isn't the sole factor that predisposes suicide successfull or otherwise other factors include
Gender – males are three times as
likely to take their own life as females;
Age – people aged 35-49 now have the
highest suicide rate;
The treatment and care they receive
after making a suicide attempt;
Physically disabling or painful illnesses
including chronic pain; and
Alcohol and drug misuse.
Stressful life events can also play a part. These include:
The loss of a job;
Debt;
Living alone, becoming socialy
excluded or isolated;
Bereavement;
Family breakdown and conflict including
divorce and family mental health
problems;
Imprisonment.
You don't to be a diagnosed with a mental health problem to committ suicide. Currently socio-economic factors play a large part in the increase
in suicide rates for people who have lost job's in financial difficulties etc.
Some of the above information is from "Preventing Suicide In England" a Department of Health Document which forms part of the national
suicide prevention strategy which all mental health trusts including mine, use to inform and plan how we deliver services.
If anyone wants proper data instead of googling or wikipedia then try this link which is to the University of Manchester who with Professor Louis
Appleby, lead on research into suicide and shape health strategy.
http://www.medicine.manchester.ac.uk/cmhr/centreforsuicideprevention/nc
i/
Perhaps if some of the posters here are more informed, they would be less likely to be disrespectful towards the death of this poor nurse.
Girl walks into a bar and asks for a double entendre, so the barman gave her one
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SteveWalker
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| posted on 8/12/12 at 11:25 PM |
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Originally posted by Stott
To be fair it was just a prank call, they happen all the time and people laugh at them all the time because they are generally funny.
However, anyone making such a prank call to a hospital should be taking into account that patient confidentiality is taken extremely seriously and
breaches of it frequently lead to dismissal or even suspension from/striking from the Nursing Register - preventing the nurse obtaining any work in
nursing anywhere. Prank calls are fair enough, but ones trying to cause nursing staff to reveal information, when it is known that such revelation
could lead to serious, personal consequences, should never happen.
I have no problem with prank calls and have enjoyed a number of them on the radio, but even in normal office jobs, a breach of confidence can lead to
instant dismisal. For this reason, no prank call should ever set out to obtain confidential information (and any information on a patient is
confidential) and if it starts to veer into such areas, it should be rapidly steered away or dropped.
SteveW
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SteveWalker
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| posted on 8/12/12 at 11:30 PM |
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Originally posted by britishtrident
In countries such as the Irish Republic where attempted suicide is still a crime it is almost invariable because of pressure from an official state
church who regard it as a crime against God not not a crime against the dependants, family and friends who have to cope with the tragedy not
mention those ho have clean up the mess.
Both church and state used to regard (and still do in Ireland and other places) suicide as self-murder, as such attempted suicide was effectively
classed as attempted murder, hence the harsh punishments.
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Dangle_kt
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| posted on 8/12/12 at 11:38 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by SteveWalker
quote:
Originally posted by Stott
To be fair it was just a prank call, they happen all the time and people laugh at them all the time because they are generally funny.
However, anyone making such a prank call to a hospital should be taking into account that patient confidentiality is taken extremely seriously and
breaches of it frequently lead to dismissal or even suspension from/striking from the Nursing Register - preventing the nurse obtaining any work in
nursing anywhere. Prank calls are fair enough, but ones trying to cause nursing staff to reveal information, when it is known that such revelation
could lead to serious, personal consequences, should never happen.
I was just about to write this - they were attempting to trick her into doing something illegal, and that would cost her her livelyhood. Hardly blame
free.
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