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Author: Subject: Blacktop steel crank/Jenvey inley plenum
terryathome

posted on 17/6/15 at 11:31 AM Reply With Quote
Blacktop steel crank/Jenvey inley plenum

Looking for Zetec 2.0 blacktop standard size steel crankshaft. Also jenvey supercharger inlet plenum before I start buying and or making one. Plenum not the crank

WHY

Terry

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jeffw

posted on 17/6/15 at 12:10 PM Reply With Quote
Why are you after a steel crank?






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big_wasa

posted on 17/6/15 at 06:22 PM Reply With Quote
Oil pump will give up long before the ford crank.

Plenty have had 500 bhp on one.

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terryathome

posted on 17/6/15 at 06:26 PM Reply With Quote
Standard crank is only good for say 300bhp and thats as it's max. It's torque that kills them I know that but people seem to understand 300bhp better. Not going to superchage it without a safety margin and the steel crank will give me that.
Oil pump will have billet gears or dry sumped.

[Edited on 17/6/15 by terryathome]

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jeffw

posted on 17/6/15 at 07:29 PM Reply With Quote
Well....I've been running mine at 300 ft lb & 397BHP in competition for several years now without a crank failure. But hey, if you want to go higher than that you might need a steel crank.






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terryathome

posted on 17/6/15 at 08:56 PM Reply With Quote
Yes, I've seen you posts on the build, nice.

Maybe going up to and possibly over the 8500rpm mark so steel will be the way to go. If I don't then standard crank will do as you say but to give me the option if I want then steel.

Anybody got one?

Terry

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jeffw

posted on 17/6/15 at 09:03 PM Reply With Quote
Terry

If you want to run very high rpm then a steel crank is potentially needed. I don't know your plans for the supercharger for this but I would be very surprised if you needed to get over 7500rpm to make the power you are talking about. At 7500rpm the stock crank will cope fine with over 400BHP.

However if you want to spend the dosh on a steel crank then that is your choice.






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terryathome

posted on 17/6/15 at 09:30 PM Reply With Quote
Its more peace of mind then anything, must admit the cost is a bit high but suppose you get what you pay for.

Interested in the intercooler you used, do you have any details?

Terry

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jeffw

posted on 17/6/15 at 09:59 PM Reply With Quote
Basically Terry, you don't need the crank. Save your money and spend it on something you need....

The intercooler was custom made for the car by TTS Performance in Silverstone.






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terryathome

posted on 17/6/15 at 10:45 PM Reply With Quote
Not a lot that I need now just a few bits and bobs.
Intercooler
Injectors
Inlet plenun

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jeffw

posted on 18/6/15 at 05:32 AM Reply With Quote
So tell me more about what you are doing?

Supercharger is a ? What power are going for, what ecu etc etc.

The Jenvey plenum is an expensive piece of kit, I did mine with a back plate/spaces done by FlakMonkey (on here) and a Nissan GTiR plenum which are available for around £50 2nd hand.






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terryathome

posted on 18/6/15 at 11:59 AM Reply With Quote
Rotrex 30-94
300bhp min to infinity and beond lol
Omex 600
Steel crank?

http://forum.wscc.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic/100291-supercharging-20-blacktop/

Would love to fit Jenvey inlet plenum but the cost of it? If not make my own either in Alu/stainles or Carbon. I think Carbon will win but wait and see.

Bump, steel crank Jenvey inlet plenum. Anybody

Terry

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jeffw

posted on 18/6/15 at 12:11 PM Reply With Quote
So lets walk this through....

I have

Port/Polished head, HD valve springs and set of cams
10.5:1 compression ration on Omex specced rods/piston
Standard crank (!)
lightweight flywheel/AP clutch
Omex 600
TTS Rotrex Kit (C30 - 94)
GTiR Plenum
Jenvey ITBs
700cc injectors
Rad/Intercooler by TTS

Car made 397BHP and 300 ft lb on TTS Performance dyno.








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terryathome

posted on 18/6/15 at 06:04 PM Reply With Quote
HD springs, that's interesting.
Going to use standard cams so no overlap and maybe no HD springs, but what cams did you use?.
1.8 Zetec flywheel which is a lot lighter than the standard 2.0 one.
Apart from the above pretty mutch the same as yours

Anybody steel crank or plenum before I order new?

Terry

[Edited on 18/6/15 by terryathome]

[Edited on 18/6/15 by terryathome]

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jeffw

posted on 18/6/15 at 07:06 PM Reply With Quote
You would be much better off spending the dosh to you don't spend on the steel crank on a decent head and cams/vernier pullies.






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jeffw

posted on 18/6/15 at 09:13 PM Reply With Quote
Also the steel crank is only worth it if you take the engine to 8500rpm....which is 2500 rpm beyond what the cams are good for and 1000rpm after the stock valve springs have given up.






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terryathome

posted on 19/6/15 at 08:40 AM Reply With Quote
The car was mapped at NMS last year and hard cut set at 8500rpm with soft cut at 8300rpm all on standard crank. It is running standard valve springs but uprated cams and runs fine.

Steel crank, plenum anybody

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jeffw

posted on 19/6/15 at 09:20 AM Reply With Quote
OK....I give up

Anyone got a Steel Crank and a Jenvey Plenum going cheap, Terry would like some.






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terryathome

posted on 19/6/15 at 03:22 PM Reply With Quote
Jeff, don't give up. Different ways to do different things and both of us is neither right nor wrong in my book. We are not that far apart in our engine builds, just slight tweaks here and there. I am not a fully fledged state of the art perfectionist F1 engine builder. More in-between James May and Jeremy Clarkson, you know James with all the techy stuff and Clarkson with the big hammer. But I am willing to listen and get all the info that I think I need then I will make my own mind up in the end as it’s my money.
I have thought long and hard on what engine to build and some people say use the Durabag engine because it’s better and I think so as well. The only reason I ended up with a 2.0 Blacktop is that I was running 1.8 Zetec and most of the bits on the 1.8 fitted the Blacktop. The quest at the moment is when the weather turns a bit grey (Nov/Dec) convert the engine from 195bhp to 300bhp minimum fire breathing dragon lol. I could just convert it into a BEC and spend loads of money getting the weight off it but don’t want that route. I have thought about just building another FW style Westy but that’s another storyline I’m still thinking about.
I think at the end of the day the engine will cost quite a bit to build just like yours as it’s not cheap nowadays. What will I do with it when I’m bored? Sell the engine? Sell the car? I don’t know as I’ve seen a few high spec cars with high spec engines and the owners not getting what they put into the project. Loss making exercise, you bet but I will enjoy the build and will enjoy the results.

Anybody got a crank/plenum?

Regards
Terry

[Edited on 21/6/15 by terryathome]

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terryathome

posted on 28/6/15 at 09:35 AM Reply With Quote
Bump. Anybody before I put my order in for a new one
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