Jasper
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| posted on 15/8/06 at 11:01 AM |
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You gotta admire those Ozzies
Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday
to get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to
head off potential terror attacks.
A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to
Australia and her Queen at a special meeting with Prime Minister John
Howard, he and his Ministers made it clear that extremists would face a
crackdown. Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard,
hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if
they did not accept that Australia was a secular state, and its laws were
made by parliament. "If those are not your values, if you want a country
which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for
you," he said on national television.
"I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws
governing people in Australia: one the Australian law and another the
Islamic law, that is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary law,
independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the
opportunity to go to another country, which practices it, perhaps, then,
that's a better option," Costello said.
Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he
said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move to the
other country. Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told reporters that
Muslims who did not want to accept local values should "clear off.
Basically people who don't want to be Australians, and who don't want! to
live by Australian values and understand them, well then, they can
basically clear off," he said.
Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying
he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques quote:
"IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave it. I am tired
of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or
their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali, we have experienced a
surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians."
"However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the
'politically correct' crowd began complaining about the possibility that
our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do
I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to
Australia." "However, there are a few things that those who have recently
com to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand."
"This idea of Australia being a multicultural community has served only to
dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Australians, we have
our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle."
"This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials
and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom"
"We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese,
Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become
part of our society, Learn the language!"
"Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right; wing,
political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian
principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is
certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God
offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your
new home, because God is part of our culture."
"We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is
that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us."
"If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like " A Fair Go," then
you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We
are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really
don't care how you did things where you came from. By all means, keep your
culture, but do not force it on others.
"This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you
every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining,
whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or
Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great
Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.'"
"If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here.
You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted."
Maybe if we circulate this amongst ourselves, UK citizens will find the
backbone to start speaking and voting the same truths!
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Howlor
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| posted on 15/8/06 at 11:21 AM |
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A refreshing change.
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Spyderman
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| posted on 15/8/06 at 11:25 AM |
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I only wish our politicians had the same amount of backbone to speak the truth!
Oz looks more and more inviting! 
Spyderman
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smart51
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| posted on 15/8/06 at 11:32 AM |
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I actually find myself agreeing with most of what is said above, especially:
"We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is
that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us."
If you are an immegrant in another country, you should learn the language. You should tollerate their culture and society as a minimum and better
still, learn about it and engage in it. You should tollerate their religious or secular beliefs and their way of life without trying to impose yours
on them. In return, you should expect tollerance of your beliefs, your use of your own language with your countrymen and your preferance to your own
style of clothes, food and choice of music. On any dispute between you and your host country, you should respect your host country.
If you don't want to speak the language of your host country, don't want to abide by their laws, don't like their food, dress,
clothes, films / tv / music / way of life, don't like their people or beliefs then perhaps you would be happier in another part of the world.
As a host nation, we should accept immegrants as they are but we should expect in return many of the things mentioned above.
I repspect the Australian "say it as it is" attitude more than the UK politician's too-liberal hand wringing of multiculturalism.
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DaveFJ
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| posted on 15/8/06 at 11:57 AM |
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Hear hear!!
[Edited on 15/8/06 by DaveFJ]
Dave
"In Support of Help the Heroes" - Always
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MikeR
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| posted on 15/8/06 at 12:04 PM |
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has a standing politician really said that or is it a wind up?
Can't ever imagine a british politician saying that!
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Liam
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| posted on 15/8/06 at 12:07 PM |
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Bl**dy Hell!!!
Ive never heard such honesty and common sense from politicians in all my life!!!
Well done aussies! I only wish this country's powers that be had that kind of attitude.
Liam
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DaveFJ
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| posted on 15/8/06 at 12:09 PM |
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Just done a little research and it seems to be composed of various articles and speeches from various sources. But quite a lot is closely BASED on
what Mr Howard and Mr Costello have said!
here's a link to an interview with Peter costello
Link
Enjoy!
Dave
"In Support of Help the Heroes" - Always
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Confused but excited.
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| posted on 15/8/06 at 01:13 PM |
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F*ckin' Aye !
Come the next general election we should all vote for John Howard.
We could have a whip round to cover his air fair.
Tell them about the bent treacle edges!
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mookaloid
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| posted on 15/8/06 at 01:21 PM |
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I wonder if he has ever considered coming here and standing for parliament?
I'd vote for him
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Syd Bridge
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| posted on 15/8/06 at 02:53 PM |
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Knowing the language that is usually used in the Aussie parliament, that is the 'cleaned up' version. More F*ing and blinding than a
wharfies convention!
I'd like to hear the originals.
Cheers,
Syd. 
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BKLOCO
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| posted on 15/8/06 at 03:33 PM |
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Why do you think I want to go there?
This s**t hole we call The UK is f***ed up beyond all comprehension.
It's way past the time that ALL of our politicians got their heads out of one anothers a**es and and their fingers out of the till and started
listening to their own countrymens views. Rather than a bunch of "politically correct" twats who want to inflict their version of society
on everyone else.
As you say.... In Australia they do not confuse patriotism with racism.
Rant over.... For now...
Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want!!! 
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C10CoryM
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| posted on 15/8/06 at 04:23 PM |
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http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/australia.asp
I've always planned on moving to Australia if I gave up on Canada. We are headed the same direction the UK is. Pussification of the western
male is right on schedule. Except we have more land to stuff people into before things get testy. Which means that there will be more foreigners here
before people get sick of it.
I've never understood what benefits people from countries with lower morals and ethics bring to Canada. How many 3rd world people can a good
country handle before being corrupted?
Integration is the only thing that makes sense. One country, one culture. Multiculturalism is a cute idea and all but different cultures have not
liked each other through all of recorded history. Specifically the Western world, and the Islamic world. Why is it now that high speed mass transit
is available people think we are suddenly going to get along with our enemies?
I'd better stop before I end up in a rant Ive been tempted to write a book.
"Our watchword evermore shall be: The Maple Leaf Forever!"
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MikeR
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| posted on 15/8/06 at 04:46 PM |
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Ok, can't resist playing devils advocate a little ........
So, errm, Austraila........ wasn't that populated by a load of people who suddenly found themselves surrounded by immigrants - who then imposed
all sorts of laws and religions on them? (that would be us English in case you haven't realised sending our convicts to Aus.)
hmmmmmm
what about Canada ? Something similar just a hundred years earlier (or later, can't remember the time line)...... same with the states.......
Seem to remember reading that we didn't object too much when people came to England in the 50's to do all the poorly paid jobs we
couldn't fill, can't ask 2nd and 3rd generation British people to go back to there own country, THIS is THERE country.
The world is getting smaller ....... whilst i find it hard to disagree with a lot of the sentiments portrayed. As soon as we've sorted out one
problem, we'll have another............ its life, we just need to keep chipping away and get on with it.
(this from someone who was trying to fly out of Heathrow on Thursday)
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spunky
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| posted on 15/8/06 at 05:12 PM |
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So who's the plagiarist then?
Recieved this via e-mail a couple a weeks ago.
Whoever the originator is, still speaking for the silent majority of nationals be they Brit or Aussies.
The reckless man may not live as long......
But the cautious man does not live at all.....
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James
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| posted on 15/8/06 at 05:30 PM |
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You got a link to that then Jasper?
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"The fight is won or lost far away from witnesses, behind the lines, in the gym and out there on the road, long before I dance under those lights."
- Muhammad Ali
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jon_boy
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| posted on 15/8/06 at 05:49 PM |
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"la la la.......Then leave Australia!"
Yup, bet they come to England.
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Syd Bridge
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| posted on 15/8/06 at 06:26 PM |
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So who's the plagiarist then?
Reading Jasper's posted article, the language is distinctly Australian.
Reading Spunky's link, the language is USA. The giveaway is the 'In God We Trust'. Not the Aussie national motto, but is certainly
printed on greenbacks.
Whoever said it first, does it matter? The majority of UK born with long UK family trees would certainly echo the sentiments stated, just as Aussies
do.
Cheers,
Syd.
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 15/8/06 at 06:57 PM |
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Can't see Blair or his cronies saying anything like that ! Howard would get my vote .
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sonic
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| posted on 15/8/06 at 07:28 PM |
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Couldnt agree more
it should be framed and nailed on every lamppost as a uk mission statement
I wonder what would happen if we went to India Pakistan and demanded what these F--ker demand and then rant hate in the street if we werent given
it!!!!!!!!!!!1
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MikeR
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| posted on 15/8/06 at 08:04 PM |
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depends on the area just like in this country. Don't forget we marched into these countries and imposed harsh colonial rule a while ago.
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C10CoryM
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| posted on 15/8/06 at 09:18 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MikeR
Ok, can't resist playing devils advocate a little ........
So, errm, Austraila........ wasn't that populated by a load of people who suddenly found themselves surrounded by immigrants - who then imposed
all sorts of laws and religions on them? (that would be us English in case you haven't realised sending our convicts to Aus.)
hmmmmmm
what about Canada ? Something similar just a hundred years earlier (or later, can't remember the time line)...... same with the states.......
Indeed they did. Except those immigrants are where Canadian culture,morals and ethics come from. If not before, WW1 and WW2 proved that Canadians
were their own people, and damned good people back then IMO. There has been a Canadian culture for a long time with very high morals and standards.
Few other countries share these standards.
I have no problem with immigrants, but they need to come in small enough numbers that they become Canadian. Especially when they come from
countries with not only different but vastly lower morals and ethics. Places where ownership of women is normal, where female babies are killed,
where corruption/murder is rampant etc etc etc. It doesn't matter what food you eat, what language you speak, or what clothes you wear. Its
the choices you make, and what you believe in.
quote:
Seem to remember reading that we didn't object too much when people came to England in the 50's to do all the poorly paid jobs we
couldn't fill, can't ask 2nd and 3rd generation British people to go back to there own country, THIS is THERE country.
Agreed. So long as they are British.
quote:
The world is getting smaller ....... whilst i find it hard to disagree with a lot of the sentiments portrayed. As soon as we've sorted out one
problem, we'll have another............ its life, we just need to keep chipping away and get on with it.
(this from someone who was trying to fly out of Heathrow on Thursday)
The world is getting smaller. Very rapidly. As I mentioned before different people do not like different people. It's human nature. This is
why we have borders, and why we protect them from other people. Why suddenly because in the last 50years we can now move a LOT of people around its
become a good idea? Are we suddenly so civilized that we no longer need our borders? Just 60 years ago we proved that "civilized" people
were not nearly so civil.
How about the countries that have hardly evolved in the last thousand years?
I realize you're playing devil's advocate and please realize that I am merely responding to that.
I do believe what I type though. One land for one group of united people. There have been a lot of wars fought over that and I don't think we
have changed any.
Cheers.
"Our watchword evermore shall be: The Maple Leaf Forever!"
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 16/8/06 at 07:41 AM |
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I have a fond memory of a discussion I once overheard (could avoid hearing) on a bus in Bristol... Two people, ancient old white guy in flat hat,
young VERY black man in t-shirt, jeans, trainers (stereotype young black man):
Old man: "there's too many blacks in this country, you should all go back where you came from..." and so on.
Young guy: "Go back where I came from! I'm from Bristol, my parents and grand-parents are from Bristol! I can trace my ancestors back to
the 1700s, to a man who freely signed on to a Royal Navy ship on the African coast and served England in various battles. How far back can you trace
your ancestors? Are they all English?"
Made quite a few people smile on that bus!
David
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greggors84
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| posted on 16/8/06 at 11:44 PM |
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It seems to me like one of those emails that gets sent around for the purpose of getting people to forward it on. Maybe Howard or Costello did say
words similar to this, but it seems to close to the English verson to be completely true.
Also both versions ask for it to be forwarded on to as many people as possible.
Propergander chain mail?
This country is too PC for anything to happen, if it is truely Mr Howards sentiments maybe we should move to Oz. Notice in the english version its
said to be from a member of the public as no one would believe any politician would dare say anything like that!
Chris
The Magnificent 7!
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