Guys, I make no apology for posting this here.
Whatever your political persuasion it cannot be right for these fascists to be allowed to pedal their insidious fascism/racist views on our behalf.
I trust you and the site's moderators will agree.
Cheers, Pewe
The BNP have won two seats in the European election. I've just signed a petition which says NOT IN MY NAME. The petition will be handed into the
European Parliament on the day that the BNP take their seat. I'd like you to sign the petition as well, and I hope you will want to. Let's
show the rest of the EU what we think of these new MEPs:
http://action.hopenothate.org.uk/notinmyname
And what's wrong with BNP members getting voted in exactly?
We allow racial extremist's to pedal there shite here, so what's the difference.
Its time we had a vote against other more threatening things engulfing this country....
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Originally posted by coozer
And what's wrong with BNP members getting voted in exactly?
We allow racial extremist's to pedal there shite here, so what's the difference.
Its time we had a vote against other more threatening things engulfing this country....
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Originally posted by flak monkey
It doesnt reflect well on the UK, but then we are a democracy and so people are entitled to their opinion and free speech (apparently).
That said I dont agree with their views in the slightest
David
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Originally posted by sickbag
Just been doing a bit of a search (God! I hate it when I'm between contracts!) and most of the other european countries have their own 'fascist' parties anyway - although theirs seem to have more support than ours.
Is there an online petition to sign that will get people to stop forcing their political views on other people, and instead leave it to people to make
up their own minds on what political party they want to vote for ?
I'd sign that......
PS Just to point out, the BNP are anathema to me, but not as much as riding slipshod over democracy.
You can't just decide that *that* party shouldn't have the same rights as any other, or that the votes they received should be
"cancelled" because some people don't agree with them.
IMHO the more info about the BNP out there the better, a party lives and dies by it's policies, how many people actually "know" what
the BNP stand for ?
The more that find out, the less votes they'll get.
The answer is "more" publicity, not less.
ALL IMHO of course
I think that is some of the problem. Because the media suppresses anything to do with these groups/parties then they almost get a cult following. As
pretty much anything that seems dark and mysterious does.
If they were wide open, the same as (to paraphrase) LibLabCon then more people would see them for what they were, and what they stand for.
We keep being told we live in a democracy.
DO WE? whether you agree with their policies
or no, they DO have a right to speak. Egging
them does not achieve anything other than
publicity, nor do petitions.
Watched an interview on tv, Griffin wasn't allowed
to answer any of the questions put to him,
same with the other one elected when interviewed
after the euro result. Both were constantly cut
short.
If they were from one of the 'left' extremes
would the same have been allowed to happen?
Whether we agree with them or not, as already
said, let them speak, we can all make up our
own minds.
In the meantime, lets all sign petitions to ban
ALL political parties, I'm sure they are all disliked
by somone somewhere.
We could also sign petitions to ban the particular
type of cars we want banned because we don't
like them - you know, the extreme ones!!
I'll start- ban all BMW's, or is it Audis now?
I believe there are some people who would
even like to stop us building our cars,
Live & let live
GeorgeM
I was under the impression that very few people actually took the time to vote. This leads me, a total outsider with friends in Europe (and the UK if
you will), to believe that the crackpots were the main people voting. If you don't like this sort of result, then you ought to encourage your
fellow citizens to actually VOTE. Then, you get to complain all you want about closed minded whiners who blame the world's problems on everyone
who doesn't look or sound like them.
BTW, it is my strong belief that those who want to "live and let live" are in the majority, and therefore are rarely targets of these narrow
minded xenophobes.
I am a linguistic minority in my province, and although I like my neighbourhood, I don't like some of the opinions expressed against my language
by some provincial politicians. Therefore, it's all well and good until they come after you. Does this remind anyone of any important world
events occurring in the 1930's?
[Edited on 11/6/09 by RK]
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Originally posted by pewe
The BNP have won two seats in the European election.
Yes, and apparently many in my home province, particularly in the lower mainland, where you live, avoided voting, leaving the door open for the
despicable Mr. "Gimme another Mai Tai" Campbell. Personal opinion of course!
Sorry, didn't mean to thread hijack!
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Originally posted by pewe
Whatever your political persuasion it cannot be right for these fascists to be allowed to pedal their insidious fascism/racist views on our behalf.
the process of european democracy is how they got these seats.
The BNP have no seats based in the UK. What you call proportional representation I call giving too much power to minority groups
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Originally posted by cd.thomson
The BNP have no seats based in the UK. What you call proportional representation I call giving too much power to minority groups![]()
erm, no, but then thats the entire point? I'm entitled to my opinion, I dont want BNP to have any seats because they're fascist and racist, I'm therefore saying "not in my name"
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Originally posted by cd.thomson
The BNP have no seats based in the UK. What you call proportional representation I call giving too much power to minority groups![]()
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So you think "First past the post" is a better method - as per the national elections??
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Whether you like their politics or not, they get a say and should be allowed to air their views. Certain of their (and UKIP's) views on immigration and Europe make a lot of sense to me.
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I believe there are far too many immigrants in this country myself at the moment - mainly in minimum wage positions and so are paying lower rates of tax than the national average.
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Maybe you'd prefer a dictatorship then - so long as its a party who's policies you believe in?? Sounds like you could make quite a loyal N Korean to me!!
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132,000 people voted BNP at the Euro elections by the way.
The fact that they're closet fascists is bad enough - but when they start to spout about "keep Britain white" or "keep the
immigrants out" (or carefully chosen words to that effect) I have to smile wryly - we in Britain are one of the most mongrel nations in the world
- and better for it!
I have a vivid recollection of a trip 30 years ago on a bus in Bristol: at one stop the blackest lad you could imagine got on the bus - at which point
some old pillock started prattling on about how he should go back where he came from, etc. etc.
Instead of getting angry or upset, this lad turned around and said "How long have your family been in this country then? I can trace my
ancestors back to a seaman who signed on as a free man on a sailing ship somewhere on the African coast in the 1700s, and that man's family has
been in Bristol ever since! So what's your family history?"
He got hearty round of applause on the bus (a white audience!) and the old pillock got off with a flea in his ear.
^^^ Politicians - you know..... they say things to get votes from certain individuals but how often do they actually do what they say when they get
elected?? Certain extremist comments or said to attract votes or cause controversy and as you have proved, they are gaining publicity from them (be it
good or bad!!). I would never vote for the BNP myself - while certain things make sense they go wayyyyyyyyy to far in so many areas. Still, I dont
believe any legal group should be silenced just because the majority dont believe in their views - its democracy and to me its wrong to call for them
to be banned just because we may be totally against what they stand for.
As for the protestors the other day - did any of them get charged with assault or breach of the peace etc for egging Nick Griffin??
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Originally posted by Steve G
^^^ Politicians - you know..... they say things to get votes from certain individuals but how often do they actually do what they say when they get elected?? Certain extremist comments or said to attract votes
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Originally posted by cd.thomson
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Originally posted by Steve G
^^^ Politicians - you know..... they say things to get votes from certain individuals but how often do they actually do what they say when they get elected?? Certain extremist comments or said to attract votes
Yes votes from all of them right wing fascist in the country of course. Well pointed out and you want to hold you hand up and say "yes i know im in a group of people attracted together because of shared interest in racism and bigotry but I'm here because deep down Nick means well".
Mental.
People are always egging politicians, prescott isnt in the BNP and there was the same response, get over it.
im over it, as i said. Not in my name thats all. I didnt throw any eggs
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Originally posted by David Jenkins
I have a vivid recollection of a trip 30 years ago on a bus in Bristol: at one stop the blackest lad you could imagine got on the bus - at which point some old pillock started prattling on about how he should go back where he came from, etc. etc.
Instead of getting angry or upset, this lad turned around and said "How long have your family been in this country then? I can trace my ancestors back to a seaman who signed on as a free man on a sailing ship somewhere on the African coast in the 1700s, and that man's family has been in Bristol ever since! So what's your family history?"
He got hearty round of applause on the bus (a white audience!) and the old pillock got off with a flea in his ear.
I'd love someone from the BNP to talk to Colin Jackson - you know the guy with a MBE and gold medals for Great Britain.
He can trace his ancestory back to King Henry the something. King Henry (as was the tradition of the time for all kings) could trace his ancestry back
to God.
So Mr BNP - you'd like an Olympic gold medal for Great Britain winning, MBE to go back to where he came from ...... hmmm ..... that would be
right here then!
Thing people have to remember is the Romans came here at the start of AD, the normans a bit later and .... well, we're just a bunch of half casts
.....
Having said that you've probably got the view i'm against what the BNP stand for (i've also been to the first ever concentration camp
and cried my eyes out - very moving place and makes you understand how germany got to that very bad place which is scary).
I will not sign the petition. The principles of democracy & freedom of speech must and should over ride the hate they pedal.
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Originally posted by cd.thomson
erm, no, but then thats the entire point?
I always thought whoever got the most votes wins, or have I missed something in this whole democracy thing?
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Originally posted by Ninehigh
I always thought whoever got the most votes wins, or have I missed something in this whole democracy thing?
my 10p for what its worth ...... the BNP did have a helping hand from 12 years of labours open door policy .............................. come to
england we have free medical care and houses ... o and if you have 3 wives bring them too
weak government has fostered many radical views, but i do find racism a sickeningly ignorant thing. Im all for name calling where appropriate, but judging a book by its cover is just foolish.
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Originally posted by cd.thomson
What you call proportional representation I call giving too much power to minority groups![]()