Piooly
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| posted on 2/1/14 at 12:04 AM |
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I see, thank you everyone for your help, this was my first post on this site and a great outcome. Nice to be part of a very helpful community! My
build started mid December and so far chassis is complete, engine delivered next week, wishbones are next and trying to find a suitable diff with LSD
for as little as possible, fun games ahead.
Thanks again.
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Acc8braman
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| posted on 2/1/14 at 05:52 AM |
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Hi,
If you are going to write your own letter for the newness of the chassis, it will be a good idea you include the following:
Chassis number
Total design weight
Front/ rear weights
[Edited on 2/1/14 by Acc8braman]
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adithorp
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| posted on 2/1/14 at 08:59 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Piooly
I see, thank you everyone for your help, this was my first post on this site and a great outcome. Nice to be part of a very helpful community! My
build started mid December and so far chassis is complete, engine delivered next week, wishbones are next and trying to find a suitable diff with LSD
for as little as possible, fun games ahead.
Thanks again.
Thats rapid.
Be sure to take pictures of the build as it progresses; VOSA sometimes request these to proove it's an amature build and it will also be
evidence to DVLA that you built the chassis.
Have you got a copy of the IVA manual? There'salink to an on-line version at the top of this section. It helps to read and understand it and
then build with the requirements in mind as you go.
Don't be afraid to ask what might seem like silly questions... BUT most have been asked before and the search function shoud turn up the answers
you require.
"A witty saying proves nothing" Voltaire
http://jpsc.org.uk/forum/
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drt
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| posted on 2/1/14 at 12:00 PM |
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I hate to hijack someones thread....
But I dont quite get the age related plate ?
Don't you need the 8 point score etc for that? (engine,axles,...)
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daveb666
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| posted on 2/1/14 at 12:09 PM |
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8 point score was part of the old SVA test, that's now gone.
Guidance to registering a kit-car is located in the following DVLA document:
http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum_dg/groups/dg_digitalassets/@dg/@en/@motor/documents/digitalasset/dg_180218.pdf
There are 3 types of registration for a kit car:
Age-Related Plate - if the car is based on a donor and donor parts are used and you can prove their origin/have the original v5 etc
Q-Plate - Parts of an unknown age / no donor v5 / anything else
New Registration - 13/63/13/64 plate etc if all parts are new with receipts to prove. Guidance for this taken from the document linked
above:
"If all the parts of a vehicle are supplied new by the manufacturer, the vehicle will be allocated a current registration number as long as
you provide satisfactory receipts and a Certificate of Newness. Kit cars which have been built using no more than one reconditioned component will
also be registered under a current registration number as long as you provide
satisfactory evidence that the component has been reconditioned to an ‘as new’ standard. The vehicle must have IVA, SVA or MSVA."
In order to get a new/age related registration the following form needs completing when submitting the application to the DVLA.
Information - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/built-up-vehicle-inspection-report
Document itself - https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/222627/dg_065268.pdf
As you can see you now have 7 items to be taken into consideration to get a new registration which are:
Chassis & Bodyshell
Axles (both)
Transmission
Engine
Steering Assembly
Suspension (Front and Back)
I hope the above information helps.
[Edited on 2/1/14 by daveb666]
2007bc Photography - Commercial and Wedding Photographer based in West Yorkshire
http://www.2007bc.co.uk / http://www.huddersfieldcommercialphotographer.co.uk
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ste
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| posted on 2/1/14 at 12:25 PM |
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Just as an example,
The rear axle part; if it's a sierra rear end, there isn't an axle as such but if you were to strip the rear diff and replace the
bearings, seals and swap the open diff for a new quaiffe unit, then use new drive shafts and hub bearings, would that class as new or would the second
hand casing let you down?
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daveb666
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| posted on 2/1/14 at 12:32 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ste
Just as an example,
The rear axle part; if it's a sierra rear end, there isn't an axle as such but if you were to strip the rear diff and replace the
bearings, seals and swap the open diff for a new quaiffe unit, then use new drive shafts and hub bearings, would that class as new or would the second
hand casing let you down?
Arguably the casing would let you down, as would the bolts that you used to put it back together (assuming they weren't new) but, as has already
been mentioned above, Microsoft Word works wonders if you really want a '13 plate.
2007bc Photography - Commercial and Wedding Photographer based in West Yorkshire
http://www.2007bc.co.uk / http://www.huddersfieldcommercialphotographer.co.uk
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ReMan
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| posted on 2/1/14 at 12:47 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by daveb666
8 point score was part of the old SVA test, that's now gone.
Guidance to registering a kit-car is located in the following DVLA document:
http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum_dg/groups/dg_digitalassets/@dg/@en/@motor/documents/digitalasset/dg_180218.pdf
There are 3 types of registration for a kit car:
Age-Related Plate - if the car is based on a donor and donor parts are used and you can prove their origin/have the original v5 etc
Q-Plate - Parts of an unknown age / no donor v5 / anything else
New Registration - 13/63/13/64 plate etc if all parts are new with receipts to prove. Guidance for this taken from the document linked
above:
"If all the parts of a vehicle are supplied new by the manufacturer, the vehicle will be allocated a current registration number as long as
you provide satisfactory receipts and a Certificate of Newness. Kit cars which have been built using no more than one reconditioned component will
also be registered under a current registration number as long as you provide
satisfactory evidence that the component has been reconditioned to an ‘as new’ standard. The vehicle must have IVA, SVA or MSVA."
In order to get a new/age related registration the following form needs completing when submitting the application to the DVLA.
Information - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/built-up-vehicle-inspection-report
Document itself - https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/222627/dg_065268.pdf
As you can see you now have 7 items to be taken into consideration to get a new registration which are:
Chassis & Bodyshell
Axles (both)
Transmission
Engine
Steering Assembly
Suspension (Front and Back)
I hope the above information helps.
[Edited on 2/1/14 by daveb666]
Good post 
Which Is why is suggested the OP might want to take the doner route as its arguably easier than it was to get age related plate
www.plusnine.co.uk
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daveb666
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| posted on 2/1/14 at 01:41 PM |
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You're probably right if you have the original V5 document - if you don't you then have to start hunting around for stuff. I didn't
have any donor documents so went for the New registration instead.
2007bc Photography - Commercial and Wedding Photographer based in West Yorkshire
http://www.2007bc.co.uk / http://www.huddersfieldcommercialphotographer.co.uk
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coozer
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| posted on 2/1/14 at 04:50 PM |
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Try this:
Chassis & Bodyshell New: receipt from kit manufacturer
Axles (both) New: receipt for wishbones.
Transmission New: receipt for propshaft
Engine Recon: receipt for engine rebuild
Steering Assembly New: receipt for rack
Suspension (Front and Back) New: receipt for shockers
Plus certificate of newness from kit manufacturer.
1972 V8 Jago
1980 Z750
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daveb666
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| posted on 2/1/14 at 09:18 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by coozer
Try this:
Chassis & Bodyshell New: receipt from kit manufacturer
Axles (both) New: receipt for wishbones.
Transmission New: receipt for propshaft
Engine Recon: receipt for engine rebuild
Steering Assembly New: receipt for rack
Suspension (Front and Back) New: receipt for shockers
Plus certificate of newness from kit manufacturer.
Dvla asked me for a gearbox receipt.
2007bc Photography - Commercial and Wedding Photographer based in West Yorkshire
http://www.2007bc.co.uk / http://www.huddersfieldcommercialphotographer.co.uk
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kingster996
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| posted on 14/3/14 at 11:01 AM |
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Hi, I have a question on this topic:
If you use a donor, for example a sierra, but swap the engine for say a Zetec or bike engine, would the rest of the donor parts count as enough for an
age related plate?
Or do you have to use the donor's pinto and swap engines later and live with cost (and holes in bodywork if it's not a Duratec)?
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40inches
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| posted on 14/3/14 at 11:33 AM |
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I don't see a problem with "Q" plates, never bothered me really. An age related plate may possibly show the date of manufacture/ 1st
registration as the year of the donor, my 2B did  . So you may need an MOT after 1st year, not 3rd.
The other problem is with emissions. When I had the IVA, for the MK, I wasn't asked for proof of engine age.
I was a bit puzzled by this, the examiner explained that they would only ask if the emissions failed post 2002 BET. The MK
passed post 2002 test, with a bike engine . Great I thought Until I got the V5c, this is showing post 2002 emissions required at MOT
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loggyboy
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| posted on 14/3/14 at 12:22 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by kingster996
Hi, I have a question on this topic:
If you use a donor, for example a sierra, but swap the engine for say a Zetec or bike engine, would the rest of the donor parts count as enough for an
age related plate?
Or do you have to use the donor's pinto and swap engines later and live with cost (and holes in bodywork if it's not a Duratec)?
You need to use two of the items on the lists:
Chassis & Bodyshell
Axles (both)
Transmission
Engine
Steering Assembly
Suspension (Front and Back)
So using the gearbox, and steering rack/column from the sierra would surrfice if you want to use a different engine.
Using a Bike engine wouldnt work though, as the engine and gearbox are one unit, so would need to find something else from the list to make up the 2
required items.
[Edited on 14-3-14 by loggyboy]
Mistral Motorsport
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kingster996
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| posted on 14/3/14 at 01:20 PM |
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Thanks for the info.
OK, one more - as you lot seem to be quite knowledgable on this subject 
If you buy an unregistered and unused chassis - ie an unfinished (actually un-started) project - if you can't get a 'certificate of
newness' for the chassis for one reason or another, what then?
I ask, as I might have the chance of one - but concerned that if I can't prove it is a manufactured chassis, then I might have issues when it
comes to actually registering it.
Cheers!
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loggyboy
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| posted on 14/3/14 at 01:49 PM |
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Bit of grey area, some have managed to use self build chassis with no issues, some have used recipts for steel as proof, some have needed to prove it
came from a specialist manufacturer. Now things are centralise at the DVLA I would hope it will be more consistant, but im not sure what option they
will consitantly use!! Maybe worth a call/email.
Mistral Motorsport
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kingster996
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| posted on 14/3/14 at 01:59 PM |
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Actually, just found out that seller has the original sales receipt, so I assume that would suffice?
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