spaximus
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| posted on 31/10/08 at 07:38 PM |
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Right speed doesn't kill, it is inappropriate speed which kills and bad driving. The problem is the more this is peddaled the more people see
the responsibilty taken away from them, at many times the speed limit is too fast but others feel they are okay as they are doing the speed limit.
These spped camera busy bodies have no authority which is why they cannot have a ticket issued. What theydo is to target people who have a diiferent
car who look to be going fast, or sound like it. They then pass on your details to the police who say you have been spotted. If you ever get such a
notice ask for certificates of daily checks and ask the chief constable to assure you that this is not a vindictive bunch of people who are harrasing
you.
As for the comment about how a parent would see it, this exactly the way Brake use victims as propaganda. The question should be asked in many cases
"where and what were you doing when your child was playing in the road and got killed"?
But no one wants to be that harsh to a parent who has lost a child so we allow them to build shrines and blame everyone else. The alrge majority of
accidents where people are killed are in built up areas within the speed limit.
Until we get proper policing back where the full gambit of driving is assesed not just some arbitury figure people will still be killed but not as a
result of sppeding.
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chrisg
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| posted on 31/10/08 at 07:39 PM |
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There are more effective ways of reducing speed, flashing signs for example have been shown to be three times more effective at reducing average
speeds.
They don't make any money however.
Cheers
Chris
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omega 24 v6
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| posted on 31/10/08 at 07:53 PM |
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quote:
The question should be asked in many cases "where and what were you doing when your child was playing in the road and got killed"?
Pub Bingo or Spain most likely.
I.m with scootz. More police patrols and less cameras. That way they may catch sight of some of the other criminals going about there business (you
know the one's without number plates that are not so easily traced :mad
If it looks wrong it probably is wrong.
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mcerd1
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| posted on 31/10/08 at 08:05 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by chrisg
There are more effective ways of reducing speed, flashing signs for example have been shown to be three times more effective at reducing average
speeds.
They don't make any money however.
Cheers
Chris
and they are much cheaper to install in the first place - we've got a few round here and could do with a few more
I recon the ones that tell you the speed your actually doing work best
one vilage just got a 40 limit, before then I'd seen people go through at often at 80 and sometimes 100mph as best as I can guess 
but in 5 year I've only seen a traffic car there 3 times, and then its often 2 miles down the road in the 60 limit
(btw this vilage is just down the road from the main police station and on there way to loads of places)
which is totaly pointless as lots of people slow down for the village who might have been going a bit fast on in the 60 limit, yet lots of people
drive at 60 through both the 40 and 60 limits
[Edited on 31/10/08 by mcerd1]
[Edited on 31/10/08 by mcerd1]
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RoadkillUK
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| posted on 31/10/08 at 09:07 PM |
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It's not 'only' the drivers responsibility, what about the pedestrians? They appear from all over the place, between parked cars,
crossing at crossings when the red man is showing and just plain running out from nowhere.
The number of times I've had to slow down for 'invincible' people who see my car and cross anyway.
IMO it's just as much the pedestrians responsibility to look out for cars as it is car drivers to look out for pedestrians.
Anyway, I digress 
Roadkill - Lee
www.bradford7.co.uk
Latest Picture (14 Sept 2014)
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02GF74
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| posted on 31/10/08 at 10:08 PM |
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^^^ wehat he said. on my way to work, there are 3 crossings withing about 100 m.
ok, one is near as school but you still see people crossing the road not using the crossing, too lazy to walk the 20 m or so to the crossing.
if you stick you finger into a minas pllug and die, then who'sfault is that?
if you step out in front of a car without looking firts and die, then who's fauilt is that? result is near jerk reaction for more crossings
and cameras.
the number oif people I see, young and old, that wlak out onto a zebra or other type of crossing without looking or not wiating for tradfic to
stop is unreal. there is defo a problem with education the masses on how to cross roads.
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JoelP
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| posted on 31/10/08 at 10:37 PM |
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death is a high price for a small mistake.
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UncleFista
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| posted on 31/10/08 at 10:41 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by v8kid
What about the father of some poor kid who has been killed by a speeding motorist. Do you think he would share such selfish and irresponsable
views?
Bet He wishes the "biddies" and "pensioners" were around then.
Speeding on public roads kills and no more so than in built up areas.
If you want thrills go to a track day don't pedal tripe here.
It wouldn't matter whether the "biddies" and "pensioners" were about anyway [1] they have no powers, they're just
being given something to do to keep 'em busy (and presumably quiet) by the powers that be.
Speeding on public roads is fun, anyone with a Seven who says it isn't is a liar
The trick is, doing is responsibly and safely (yes, I believe speeding can be just as safe as not-speeding in some circumstances).
Repeat after me "speeders are not murderers, they're a cash-cow"
[1] Apart from people like me who'd just speed up on purpose to annoy the busy-bodies
Tony Bond / UncleFista
Love is like a snowmobile, speeding across the frozen tundra.
Which suddenly flips, pinning you underneath.
At night the ice-weasels come...
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Ivan
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| posted on 1/11/08 at 07:46 AM |
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Speed doesn't kill - cars, drivers and stupid pedestrians kill - I say ban them all, then other things like old age, war, disease and starvation
can control population growth.
In fact - lets ban old age as well.
The problem with speed limits is that they are often set with no reference to their actual relevance or efficacy in reducing accidents - their main
purpose is revenue generation or a gut reaction to one or two bad accidents where minor improvements in road markings or geometry would make a far
better impact on safety.
In Simon's Town we had a bend in the Main Road at Glencairn that led to an average of one accident a week. I surveyed the road and re-aligned
the centre line to more closely resemble the "racing line" reducing the accident situation to almost zero. One day whilst approaching the
bend I saw a motorcyclist off-line and said to my wife "watch this accident" and sure enough he hit the kerb, flipped off the bike and
hit the bridge rails with his body breaking it and himself to some extent.
One of the few accidents we had since then was a car, probably speeding, who saw a speed trap - slammed on his brakes and skidded through the wall
between the road and the railway line. So trapping kills - ban it as well 
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