FFTS
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| posted on 23/6/10 at 07:50 AM |
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Nearly!! almost kind of...RINGER!!! on Fleabay
Ring
Ring!!
[Edited on 23/6/10 by FFTS]
Chris.
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Humbug
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| posted on 23/6/10 at 07:54 AM |
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Dingalingaling!!
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iank
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| posted on 23/6/10 at 07:55 AM |
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Ding dong...
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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coozer
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| posted on 23/6/10 at 07:56 AM |
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Unbelievable! The guy obviously knows nothing about registering a car and I presume the dude who did it was very aware he is breaking the law.
So, how do we warn prospective buyers without being seen to stick our noses in.
Or, do we notify DVLA thinking its a good idea and try and protect the already very complicated system getting even tougher?
1972 V8 Jago
1980 Z750
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eznfrank
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| posted on 23/6/10 at 07:58 AM |
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Shame really although for that sort of money for a ZX12 car I'd be tempted to buy it and whak it through the IVA myself.
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Humbug
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| posted on 23/6/10 at 08:03 AM |
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I've just sent him a message pointing out the possible issue - if it uses an MK chassis but is registered as a 1971 Dutton Sierra (which
is a completely different type of car) then it's a ringer and illegal.
He doesn't actually say it's still registered as a Dutton Sierra  ...
If he doesn't change the ad, maybe someone should report it to ebay, at least. It would be probably be difficult to get DVLA interested without
a reg no.?
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stevegough
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| posted on 23/6/10 at 08:07 AM |
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Dodgy registration,
Dash is cr*p,
Gear linkage and interior shabby,
But I wouldn't mind his house / garden / garage!
Someone wants to get in touch, get the registation on the pretext of "seeing how much the insurance would be" - then bubble him to DVLA -
he's got enough dosh to take the hit!! 
Luego Locost C20XE.
Build start: October 6th 2008.
IVA passed Jan 28th 2011.
First drive Feb 10th 2011.
First show: Stoneleigh 1st/2nd May 2011.
'Used up' first engine may 3rd 2011!
Back on the road with 2nd engine may 24th
First PASA mad drive 26/7/11
Sold to Mike in Methyr Tydvil 19/03/14
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flibble
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| posted on 23/6/10 at 08:12 AM |
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The D.O.C. have told many authorities about many such ringers (as cheap Duttons seem to be the ideal candidate for ringing) and as yet I can't
seem to remember anything other than a "we don't really care" attitude coming from the Police,DVLA, etc., unfortunate to say the
least 
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cd.thomson
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| posted on 23/6/10 at 08:23 AM |
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I may be going crazy but I'm sure this car, or another kit was being sold from this location (same background in the photos) about 12 months ago
as a ringer.
If so then I'm sure he's aware of the issues.
[Edited on 23/6/10 by cd.thomson]
Craig
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Richard Quinn
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| posted on 23/6/10 at 08:54 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by cd.thomson
I may be going crazy but I'm sure this car, or another kit was being sold from this location (same background in the photos) about 12 months ago
as a ringer.
If so then I'm sure he's aware of the issues.
[Edited on 23/6/10 by cd.thomson]
I remember it too
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Alfa145
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| posted on 23/6/10 at 09:40 AM |
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I asked and its registered on the V5 as a Dutton.....
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Humbug
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| posted on 23/6/10 at 10:15 AM |
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Update - after I initially asked him a question, his reply was "It's a kit car!! i.e. made up of bits."
I sent back: "True, but it is supposed to be inspected (was SVA, now IVA) if the "new" car is made up of parts unless it uses the
same chassis. I know, as I built my own kit car and got it SVAd and registered myself. Details on the DVLA website
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSellingAVehicle/RegisteringAVehicle/DG_10014246, including "A vehicle will retain its donor
registration mark if either the original unmodified chassis or unaltered monocoque bodyshell and two other major components are used. If a new
monocoque bodyshell or chassis from a specialist kit manufacturer is used (or an altered chassis or bodyshell from an existing vehicle) together with
two major components from a donor vehicle, an age related mark will be assigned. The mark will be based on the age of the donor vehicle. An IVA, ESVA,
SVA or MSVA test will be required to register the vehicle.". If your V5C says Dutton Sierra then I'm afraid it's a
"ringer"..."
His latest: "It "rings" my bell by saving on road tax! To be honest I bought it like this and am selling it in the same way, I have
been absolutely clear about it. It is then up to the purchaser what he/she chooses to do."
i.e. he is knowingly selling it as a ringer. To me, his disclaimer "The car has been registered using a 1971 Dutton Sierra donor car so is
exempt from road tax, a useful saving per year. I am told that this is not uncommon with kit cars, it seemed reasonable to me when I bought it."
and saying it's up to the purchaser doesn't excuse it.
Anyone want to dob him in? I don't think I want to do it as I've already been in contact with him and he might send the boys round!
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tomprescott
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| posted on 23/6/10 at 10:30 AM |
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I think its wrong, he should have been shopped BUT as the car has apparently now sold the DVLA/VOSA/WHOEVER are probably just going to penalise the
new (possibly naive and therefore innocent) owner rather than the corrupt seller. Shame.
A bird in the hand....
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FFTS
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| posted on 23/6/10 at 10:30 AM |
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Maybe the user name "Wayward Lad" should tell us something!!
Chris.
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coozer
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| posted on 23/6/10 at 10:40 AM |
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The problem will be the new owner not being aware and then is unlucky enough to get stopped will pay a heavy price.
We all pay a considerable amount of money and time doing it right so it needs nipping in the bud IMO.
1972 V8 Jago
1980 Z750
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Minicooper
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| posted on 23/6/10 at 11:31 AM |
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What heavy price would that be?
It's not a ringer, it's just not correctly registered, as long as this is allowed for in the price ie cheap then it's not a big deal
is it?
Cheers
David
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yellow melos
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| posted on 23/6/10 at 11:33 AM |
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Apparently someonr from the dutton owners club has allready reported it to e-bay... they said
"it's not our concern."
which is the way with most things.. this car no way could use the dutton sierra chassis as the car would be another 2 foot higher.. or have large
steel beams sticking out the top.
but until somone gets gets run over by it or killed, no one will care.. and then it's too late !!
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scudderfish
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| posted on 23/6/10 at 11:37 AM |
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It'll be a big deal to the new owner when it gets crushed.
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coozer
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| posted on 23/6/10 at 11:38 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Minicooper
What heavy price would that be?
It's not a ringer, it's just not correctly registered, as long as this is allowed for in the price ie cheap then it's not a big deal
is it?
Cheers
David
Taking the ID off one car and applying it to another is RINGING.
The MK doesn't even resemble the Dutton.
The car was blatantly built to avoid SVA, registration and road tax!
1972 V8 Jago
1980 Z750
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FFTS
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| posted on 23/6/10 at 11:41 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Minicooper
What heavy price would that be?
It's not a ringer, it's just not correctly registered, as long as this is allowed for in the price ie cheap then it's not a big deal
is it?
Cheers
David
So what IS a ringer then??
This IS a car that has taken on a false identification! There used be be a Dutton and this wasn't it. If stopped by Vosa it would be wrong
chassis number (unless also stamped on a falsified) In the event of an accident would the insurance pay out? If he hit one of your family.. would it
be a ringer or not a big deal when the insurance wouldn't pay out?
Chris.
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Werner Van Loock
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| posted on 23/6/10 at 11:42 AM |
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could you still get it trough IVA using the V5 of the dutton and get a age related plate?
http://www.clubstylus.be
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coozer
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| posted on 23/6/10 at 11:43 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Werner Van Loock
could you still get it trough IVA using the V5 of the dutton and get a age related plate?
No. It would not be registered as 1971 but as the date of registration after SVA.
1972 V8 Jago
1980 Z750
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Minicooper
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| posted on 23/6/10 at 11:54 AM |
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Definition:
A 'ringer' is a stolen car that has had its identification numbers replaced by a set from another - usually written-off - car, which
effectively changes the car's identity.
Buy the car cheap and put it through an IVA that's what I'm suggesting, nothing else
Cheers
David
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FFTS
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| posted on 23/6/10 at 12:08 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Minicooper
Definition:
A 'ringer' is a stolen car that has had its identification numbers replaced by a set from another - usually written-off - car, which
effectively changes the car's identity.
Buy the car cheap and put it through an IVA that's what I'm suggesting, nothing else
Cheers
David
Ahhh.. So the only part of your statement that doesnt apply to this car is its not stolen and that makes the car all fine!
Sorry.. I'll change the title 
Chris.
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kipper
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| posted on 23/6/10 at 12:16 PM |
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ringer
I think the point is the car is not what it' registered as.
what if some-one stole the MK and then went throught the reg process using the Dutton. It may have been one of us loosing a car
Hanging is too good for the less than Honest bugger.
bubble him.
Denis.
Where did that go?
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