Cheers
Mark
I'm currently on this site as my Black and Decker drill can't take no more and has started smoking. Does anyone know what i'm melting by pushing this drill hard? (a new style orange black and decker)
I burnt out 2 black and decker drills and a bosch jigsaw making my car. They are one of the disposable items in car building...
Cheers
Mark
Its usually the insulation around the armature windings that smoke when pushed hard as they overheat when overloaded.
This IS my Second!! Only bought it two weeks ago and already had it smoking.
Doubt it will last as good as my old green one, which only gave up after being abused on the pillar drill accessory. To be fair it never gave up, just
made a loud grinding sound and smoked all the time!!
The new designs seem to be a bit toy like.
If I could afford makita i'd buy it
For what you can get them for I'd look at getting a 110v drill and transformer as they are usually industrial quality. It helps that I need 110v for my job as I can offset the cost against my tax of course, but there you go. The only time I can get my Bosch drill smoking is when I am mixing two pack grout, five gallon at a time with a huge, home made paddle, and even then it keeps going.
get a s/h makita or blue Bosch from ebay.
s/h good tools are better than new cheap ones!
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Originally posted by mak
This IS my Second!!
wise words
I got a cheapo 1kw drill (metal gearbox one) from Argos, and paid for the additional insurance for 3 years. I have burnt out one, and am on the
replacement. They even restarted the insurance for free
Seemed like a good deal to me... the additional warranty, cos I knew it was going to get a good thrashing durning the build. Normally I dont bother
with the insurances, as they are not worth it.
At least a Bosch - you get what you pay for!
Maybe I'm being weird but I think:
"Buy once, use properly" is a better saying.
Why knacker stuff if you don't have to. If your loading stuff that highly then you're doing something wrong I'm sure! And maybe asking
to get hurt in the process too!
Anyway, it's your wallet!
Cheers,
James
I have had a B&D mains drill for the last 9 years and use it for steel and brick etc. Used fairly frequently but with care.
When building the car most of my drilling is done by a cheal (£39.99) pillar drill from B&Q. I have had the pillar drill for around 7 years and if
you try to overload it the belt slips so you can't easily burn it out.
The pillar drill also drills through steel alot faster than a handheld.
I've still got an 8 year old Black and Decker hammer drill. I have abused the stuffing out of it drilling long holes through stone. It still works but could do with new brushes - I'm well pleased
fed up with 'throw away' cheapies I finally forked out £150 for a decent Bosch cordless. never had a problem and used 'hard' for 2.5 years now.
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Originally posted by gazza285
For what you can get them for I'd look at getting a 110v drill and transformer as they are usually industrial quality. It helps that I need 110v for my job as I can offset the cost against my tax of course, but there you go. The only time I can get my Bosch drill smoking is when I am mixing two pack grout, five gallon at a time with a huge, home made paddle, and even then it keeps going.
Been using the same Black & Decker drill for 10 years no problems except the hammer action keeps turning itself on **** ***** !
Take it back!
Cheers John
I'll second the Bosch and Makita shouts. I've given both brands some abuse in my time and they both stand up to the rigorous, daily abuse of
the construction industry 
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Originally posted by lexi
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Originally posted by gazza285
For what you can get them for I'd look at getting a 110v drill and transformer as they are usually industrial quality. It helps that I need 110v for my job as I can offset the cost against my tax of course, but there you go. The only time I can get my Bosch drill smoking is when I am mixing two pack grout, five gallon at a time with a huge, home made paddle, and even then it keeps going.
Curious about two pack grout. Is it for heavy duty tiling and what are the chemical /materials used. I assume it`s used for. faster curing.
Alex
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I agree with take it back. There is a requirement to provide product fit for purpose and most peope in most DIY sheds and cheap tool shops won't
be in a position to argue and are generaly told not to. I have done this with a few cheapie electrical tools and never had an argument about the swop
, it heps to have the original receipt or a credit card statement proving you bought it from them
Best of uck
Caber
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Originally posted by gazza285
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Originally posted by lexi
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Originally posted by gazza285
For what you can get them for I'd look at getting a 110v drill and transformer as they are usually industrial quality. It helps that I need 110v for my job as I can offset the cost against my tax of course, but there you go. The only time I can get my Bosch drill smoking is when I am mixing two pack grout, five gallon at a time with a huge, home made paddle, and even then it keeps going.
Curious about two pack grout. Is it for heavy duty tiling and what are the chemical /materials used. I assume it`s used for. faster curing.
Alex
Its not tilling grout, its a grout for setting steel posts into drilled concrete. I use it at work when we are fitting stainless (usually, but can be galvanised steel) handrailing and balustrading into paved steps and ramp. You drill a hole 15 to 20mm bigger diameter, set up the posts plumb, wedge them in with small wooden wedges and pour in the grout. A quick curing time is needed as the railings are usually in a public area and time is of the essence, especially if its job and knock.
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Originally posted by James
Maybe I'm being weird but I think:
"Buy once, use properly" is a better saying.
Why knacker stuff if you don't have to. If your loading stuff that highly then you're doing something wrong I'm sure! And maybe asking to get hurt in the process too!
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Originally posted by Rorty
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Originally posted by James
Maybe I'm being weird but I think:
"Buy once, use properly" is a better saying.
Why knacker stuff if you don't have to. If your loading stuff that highly then you're doing something wrong I'm sure! And maybe asking to get hurt in the process too!
Here here! If you're burning the things out, then your bits are either dull or you've got little knowledge of, or respect for your tools. I wouldn't say I give my tools an easy life, but I've never damaged one like that.
In order of quality:
- Makita
- DeWalt
- Bosch
I have fourteen Makita powertools and they don't get better than them.
DeWalt 18V cordless drills and angle grinder ROCK!
Unfortunately Bosch tools aren't up to the same quality as some of their other products.
Black & Decker are only for housewives tool boxes. No self respecting man would even be caught glancing sideways at one in a tool shop!
I have always hankered after Dewalt stuff so when I was ordering tools for a big job at work I spent £4k on Dewalt stuff. What a waste of money. The
battery drills kept on knackering bearings. The mains drills were clumsy to use (the variable trigger was all or nothing) and they also ate chuck
bearings. The jigsaws kept lunching gearboxes. The angle grinders munched the bevel drives. etc, etc. We ended up using the old Makita stuff that we
were suposed to be scrapping.
It's not as if it was one person we could brame for abusing the stuff but several 'competent' people who should know how to use tools
(and were personally accountable for them). The old Makita stuff is still going strong and most of it is over 6 years old.
I have found Dewalt to be better at being a desirable brand name than a tool manufacturer. Everything I have is Bosch Industrial/professional exept
for my 9" grinder, that's a Metabo, and my broaching machine, that's a Rotabroach.
I suppose its different when these tools are making you money rather than a hobby.
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Originally posted by owelly
I have always hankered after Dewalt stuff so when I was ordering tools for a big job at work I spent £4k on Dewalt stuff. What a waste of money. The battery drills kept on knackering bearings. The mains drills were clumsy to use (the variable trigger was all or nothing) and they also ate chuck bearings. The jigsaws kept lunching gearboxes. The angle grinders munched the bevel drives. etc, etc. We ended up using the old Makita stuff that we were suposed to be scrapping.
It's not as if it was one person we could brame for abusing the stuff but several 'competent' people who should know how to use tools (and were personally accountable for them). The old Makita stuff is still going strong and most of it is over 6 years old.
When I worked at the box factory we used to make boxes for B&Decker and De Walt. They both went to the same factory, I think it was in Livingston at the time. I have a Metabo 9" angle grinder which has cut slabs for a lot of its working life and I used my new Bosch SDS+ drill for the first time today. I thought the hammer action wasn't working till I leaned on it and it just sank in effortlessly.
just another thought, Hitachi stuff is pretty tough too!
Well I know I wont by any more Makita stuff here in Canada- Last Drill I bought from them lasted about 6 months of easy use. Not made like they used to. My friend has the older stuff 10 yrs + and it they just keep chugging away with no problems. Makita here now comes with a wonderfull 3 month warranty on it - Even Canadian tire warrenties their heavier tools 3 years here. Dewalts the way to go here but out of my price range.
Milwaukee Magnum.
I would be very very surprised if you could burn this drill out. I was shooting 5/8" holes in SCD40 pipe all day with only 1/16" pilot
holes and she got really hot but had no problems, and its an eight year old drill. The new ones are just as good.
Milo
Can i just say, speaking from experience after being involved in power tool new product development, that within each of the manufacturers that have
been commented on there are different ranges of tools.
Within DeWalt their are light user professional through to heavy duty professional. Unfortunately a common synergy within all of the manufacturers is
the crazy marketing strategies. The professional users are not always communicated to correctly in terms of what products they should buy for their
applications and few professionals want to be told what they need to do the job and how much they should spend. I have designed and installed
production lines for DeWalt Cordless drills and can say categorically that if you use the light duty stuff in a heavy environment you cannot expect it
to perform faultlessly. Price is a big factor in most peoples eyes, unfortunately so is the potential for site theft so most people tend to buy cheap
and abuse lots - not a good recipe.
By the same token you cant compare low end Bosch to high end Makita, to compound it further no two people use the products in the same way.
To be honest there is very little between the big manufacturers within each of the sectors and all of the products are mass made so there is always a
chance of infant failure - this is a feature and product of the reliability Weibull models.
bloke on a building site i know has a different view .... B&Q home brand for battery power.
costs 4 or 5 timse less than a 'decent' brand and lasts 1/3 to 1/2 the time. After its broke, scrap it, keep the charger / battery. You
spend less in the long run and get more batteries / chargers so can keep going for longer!
that's fine as long as you also keep 2 of every tool in the van!
Otherwise you can bugger up a day's work if not near the shops and a tool packs in.
Metabo drills are legendary! Mine has had so much abuse! Had for about 4 years and its been used in a farm workshop...not the most hospitable place for a tool! Managed my build without any probs...also my Draper cordless one is still going strong after similar amount of abuse.....not as powerfull though! Only thing wrong with it is when the dog knocked the charging battery of a chair in the kitchen and smashed the battery clip! Oli.