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can I buy big metal drills
zxrlocost - 18/1/06 at 02:04 PM

never really had to buy anything like it before but can I buy big drills that go in to a normal drill ie they have a smaller shaft then it turns into a big drill

something like 45mm

ta chris


RichieC - 18/1/06 at 02:05 PM

Hi mate,

I think the type youre on about are known as blacksmiths drills. They dont go up much past about 20mm so that means your into hole cutters for that sort of size.

What are you cutting?

Rgds

Richie


flak monkey - 18/1/06 at 02:09 PM

Buy a set of HSS tank cutters. They will cut big holes in pretty much anything.

If you want a drill around 45mm the only ones you will find are morse taper shank ones. A normal 13mm chuck would never be able to hang on to a drill that big, and its unlikey the drill (machine) itself would cope either.

David


zxrlocost - 18/1/06 at 02:19 PM

alright rich Ive sent your bolts by the way

and Im cutting some alloy phoned the local metal place about some blacksmith drills so will sort that out if theyve got one

whats the tank cutters dave

ta chris


DaveFJ - 18/1/06 at 02:19 PM

If its thick metal you are drilling then you want one of these.....

hss




they cost about a grand to buy so hiring is the way - you may need to buy the appropriate bit though....


RichieC - 18/1/06 at 02:21 PM

quote:
Originally posted by zxrlocost
alright rich Ive sent your bolts by the way

and Im cutting some alloy phoned the local metal place about some blacksmith drills so will sort that out if theyve got one

whats the tank cutters dave

ta chris

Thanks mate, tank cutters look like this.


zxrlocost - 18/1/06 at 02:27 PM

so do they just fit in my drill

ta chris


RichieC - 18/1/06 at 02:37 PM

Yeh the arbor isnt a fat diameter. Would a hole saw not go through the alloy? What sort of thickness are we talking?

Rgds

Richie


zxrlocost - 18/1/06 at 02:51 PM

1 inch thick
ta chris


RichieC - 18/1/06 at 02:53 PM

Ah righty, something fairly heavy duty then

Rich


zxrlocost - 18/1/06 at 02:59 PM

yep ill keep looking would like to buy a tool not rent


britishtrident - 18/1/06 at 03:11 PM

You might manage 1" thick 45mm dia with bi-metal hole saw -- if you keep well cooled and the speed right down.

[Edited on 18/1/06 by britishtrident]


David Jenkins - 18/1/06 at 03:13 PM

I have a few blacksmith's drills in 3/4" & 1" - they're very hard to use in a hand-held domestic electric drill, and put a huge load on the drill. You would probably have to work your way up to the final size in increments.

BTW: 'blacksmith's drill' is a good description - they're crude and not particularly accurate.

Do a Google on Tracy Tools for a cheap source via mail order (but don't use your credit card, 'cos they charge you a bundle). Send an order with a cheque and you'll get your drill(s) back by return post - they're very good at that.

David


zxrlocost - 18/1/06 at 03:24 PM

ok ta


gustavo_brum - 18/1/06 at 03:43 PM

I have a few large drill bits whose ends I had reduced to 10mm in a lathe. It´s the cheapest way to go, I think.


02GF74 - 18/1/06 at 03:43 PM

quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
I have a few blacksmith's drills in 3/4" & 1" - they're very hard to use in a hand-held domestic electric drill, and put a huge load on the drill. You would probably have to work your way up to the final size in increments.




yep ^^^^ wot he said. you need to use them at slow speed and the can jam quite easily possibly breaking your wrist (ask me how I discorverd that).

It is far saver to use a stepped cone drill - but think you are struggling to get to 45 mm.; but those are for panels really so no use for you I guess.


andyd - 18/1/06 at 04:13 PM

Chris, what about getting a quote from the "water jet" guy mentioned in this thread?


zxrlocost - 18/1/06 at 04:27 PM

ill find out cheers mate


nick205 - 18/1/06 at 04:34 PM

coming from another angle....what is it your trying to make?

is there another way to achieve what you need?

Nick


flak monkey - 18/1/06 at 04:54 PM

Ok, if its an inch thick, a tank cutter is no good..

These are though:



Available in 44mm (closest you will get) from RS item number 315-5951 and are £8.60 each, not supplied with guide drill/arbor though.

Arbor to suit is item 315-5872 and is £11.55

David

[Edited on 18/1/06 by flak monkey]

[Edited on 18/1/06 by flak monkey]


gazza285 - 18/1/06 at 05:18 PM

quote:
Originally posted by DaveFJ
If its thick metal you are drilling then you want one of these.....



they cost about a grand



Where the hell you buying them? Harrods?


gazza285 - 18/1/06 at 05:20 PM

If you fancy a day out in Yorkshire I have a Rotabroach. I think the biggest bit I've got is 43mm though.


k33ts - 18/1/06 at 05:21 PM

i use similar to what flat monkey suggests on steel car panels should do ally ok wont be fast though

i paid more like £30-£40 for steel cutting blade


ayoungman - 18/1/06 at 05:23 PM

If its 1inch thick alloy, a decent tank cutter will cope. Use PARAFIN to lubricate/cool it as it cuts. This will help to stop it clogging the cutting edges. DO NOT ATTEMPT IT unless you put it in a pillar drill and clamp the work piece !


trikerneil - 18/1/06 at 05:29 PM

Hole saw, drill from both sides, nice and slow using paraffin as coolant.


zxrlocost - 18/1/06 at 05:49 PM

ok cheers


Project7 - 18/1/06 at 05:49 PM

Trepanning tool any good?



Best picture i can find


quote:
Originally posted by ayoungman
If its 1inch thick alloy,


didnt read that bit - Trepanning tool is probably no good then

[Edited on 18/1/06 by Project7]


ayoungman - 18/1/06 at 05:51 PM

Sorry to hijack this thread

Project7, where are you in Dartford ?
I'm in Erith


rusty nuts - 18/1/06 at 07:12 PM

What about a rotazip , Iv'e never used one but remember the ads


britishtrident - 18/1/06 at 08:47 PM

quote:
Originally posted by flak monkey
Ok, if its an inch thick, a tank cutter is no good..

These are though:



Available in 44mm (closest you will get) from RS item number 315-5951 and are £8.60 each, not supplied with guide drill/arbor though.

Arbor to suit is item 315-5872 and is £11.55

David

[Edited on 18/1/06 by flak monkey]

[Edited on 18/1/06 by flak monkey]



Because they wobble With holes saws you always have to use one 1 mm under unless you are working at a really slow speed.

The B&Q orange bi-metal ones are OK -- I have used them on 4mm steel plate to make really big holes.


ReMan - 18/1/06 at 09:39 PM

quote:
Originally posted by nick205
coming from another angle....what is it your trying to make?

is there another way to achieve what you need?

Nick


So.....................?
I'm intreagued too

Could it be turned - hole bored in a lathe?


caber - 19/1/06 at 12:43 AM

Expensive hole saws , Starrett or similar available from electrical wholesalers. Make sure you get an arbour with it they tend to fit about 4 or 5 saw sizes then you have to change arbour. Used sensibly they get through anything and with even a cheap pillar drill can be set up for fishmouthing round tube.

Caber


NS Dev - 19/1/06 at 01:05 AM

quote:
Originally posted by gazza285
If you fancy a day out in Yorkshire I have a Rotabroach. I think the biggest bit I've got is 43mm though.


Only one big issue surely, he's cutting ally, rotobroach won't mag onto that! (unless you stick a heavy steel platew on top I suppose and rely on that for positioning)


gazza285 - 19/1/06 at 06:01 AM

Carver clamp.


Syd Bridge - 19/1/06 at 09:35 AM

Buck and Hickman (buckhickmaninone) do all manner of holesaws.

By the time you put a 44mm holesaw through, then dress up the inside with a half round or round file, the hole is more than likely to be 45mm or bigger. You may be best to go through with a 43mm, and take the remainder out with a file.

Bush engineering at its best!

Syd.

[Edited on 19/1/06 by Syd Bridge]


zxrlocost - 19/1/06 at 10:14 AM

ta everyone


NS Dev - 19/1/06 at 11:33 AM

quote:
Originally posted by gazza285
Carver clamp.


Ahhh, where there's a will theres a way!