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Machining poly bushes - possible?
MikeRJ - 13/5/06 at 06:13 PM

As title, is t possible to machine polyurethan suspension bushes? The type I have are the hard black ones that Luego and GTS and probably other manufacturer use. I need to increase the inside diameter by about 0.5mm, but my efforts so far have just ripped up the surface of the material when I put a boring bar through on the lathe.

Before it's suggested I can't machine down what would normaly be the crush tube. This is for a non-locost application and the material that will be running in the bush is too long to fit into my lathe.


dnmalc - 13/5/06 at 06:17 PM

have you tried heating the tube and inserting it they melt easily with a welder so if you can ensure that the core does not wander this is probably as easy as it gets


DIY Si - 13/5/06 at 06:28 PM

You can machine the bushes much easier if the bar is frozen first. Just stick it in the freezer over night.


Gav - 13/5/06 at 06:29 PM

If its ripping sounds like it being turned at the wrong speed?

Ive machined PTFE bar and it was quite nice to machine once i got the speed right.
Oh also when i tried taking quite big cuts it didnt like that either!


907 - 13/5/06 at 06:34 PM

Hi Mike

I bought a set of bushes from Lolocost and they varied in the length of the shoulder.

I turned them down so they were all the same and found I needed a tool with quite an angle on it.
A conventional tool meets the workpiece almost square. Did the id's as well. Used a 9/16th drill for
this as, due to the spiral flutes of a drill, the cutting edge meets the work again at an angle.

I hope you follow what I mean.

Paul G


flak monkey - 13/5/06 at 07:25 PM

Yeah it will machine ok.

Long while since i have ground any tools to turn plastics though so completely forgotten what the angles should be. I do know however you need plenty of top and side rake, and plenty of primary face and end face clearance. Basically making the cutting tip a sharp point and the edges like a knife edge.

Dont turn it too fast otherwise it will rip. Turn the speed and feed down. Not too slow on the feed though.


birdii - 13/5/06 at 08:42 PM

Bit of a guide here:

http://www.superflex.co.uk/superflex_universal_round_bar_machining_techniques.html

Hope thats of some help.


NS Dev - 13/5/06 at 11:59 PM

That's a good guide, basically freeze it and run your lathe as bloody fast as it will go!!

2000rpm on 1" bar is fast!


MikeRJ - 14/5/06 at 12:14 AM

Thanks chaps, will have another go tommorow, remaining bushes in the freezer!


907 - 14/5/06 at 09:35 AM

quote:
Originally posted by NS Dev
That's a good guide, basically freeze it and run your lathe as bloody fast as it will go!!

2000rpm on 1" bar is fast!





I've only got a max of 580 rpm

sniff

Paul G


NS Dev - 15/5/06 at 07:25 AM

Well mine's a little ahead of that but still way off! Mine'll do 1200! (the little 3hp single phase motor struggles to spin the machine up at all in that gear!!)


MikeRJ - 16/5/06 at 10:33 PM

Hmm, still not had a lot of success. Bushes do not need to be resiliant so will get some nylon to machine I think.


NS Dev - 16/5/06 at 10:56 PM

we always used to use Acetal bar for bushes on the rally car, didn't swell when wet like nylon can.


John Bonnett - 17/6/06 at 10:59 AM

If you have no luck, try using Nylotron. It machines very easily and in not expensive. You can buy it from Engineering and Design Plastics in Cherry Hinton near Cambridge. I think they might send it to you but you would need to check that. They are very helpful and have a wealth of technical knowledge.

John


rusty nuts - 18/6/06 at 06:45 PM

Phone number for Engineering and Design Plastics is 01223n 249431 HTH