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First time welder wisdom!!
millenniumtree - 17/11/06 at 04:26 AM

Ok, learned a few things today during my first ever mig welding session! I layed a few beads on a strip of ~2mm steel, tried rather unsuccessfully to butt weld two thin sheets of galvanized steel, then tried (also rather unsuccessfully) to weld over a crack in my rusty old muffler.

1) Welding, apparently, is mostly chipping and wire brushing 'til your arm hurts.
2) If your wire gets stuck to whatever you're welding, don't drop your shield and pop it off with the trigger, unless you also like staring at the sun.
3) Don't weld on a laminate countertop. Burnt laminate smells terrible.

And lastly...
4) Molten welding wire in your hair is bad... Very, very bad. o_O

Any other gems of first-timer wisdom?


zetec7 - 17/11/06 at 05:14 AM

The good news is, you've already made most fo the mistakes we've all made, all in one day! So you've learned a months' worth of lessons already. The rest should be easy! And, by the way, welding galvanized steel (whether with MIG or gas) is always ugly if there's any trace of the zinc left...and when your breathing passages get clogged solid by the toxic smoke guck, it makes your lunch taste funny...


nitram38 - 17/11/06 at 06:14 AM

Don't weld Galvanised steel either!!!!
I gives off cyanide gas!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you must weld it, remove it from both sides with a grinder/soft pad and wear a mask to sheild you from the fumes.
Welding onto galv directly causes bad welds.

[Edited on 17/11/2006 by nitram38]


Danozeman - 17/11/06 at 06:31 AM

quote:

1) Welding, apparently, is mostly chipping and wire brushing 'til your arm hurts.



Have u got a gasless welder???


Sounds like youv learned alot. Stick at it. Its easy once you get the hang of it..


wilkingj - 17/11/06 at 08:11 AM

Dont be afraid to turn up the power... It you are blowing holes in the metal, then its a bit too high. Especially on thin plate.

Best advice I had, was when you remove your shield, your eyes should squint when looking at the weld, it its still RED HOT!, andthing else and its probably not hot enough and has not penetrated.

Agree on the Galv, the gass given off is poisionous. grind back to clean steel. ie remove all galv / zinc.

Good prep of the welding area, ie clean it, even a light whisk over with an angle grinder with a sanding disk makes a difference, ie a clean bare metal surface.

A GOOD earth and clamp, repair any frayed leads as they wont carry the full current, and thus affect the weld.

Have fun, Practice plenty.

Its a damn useful skill to have.


jollygreengiant - 17/11/06 at 09:15 AM

quote:
Originally posted by millenniumtree

And lastly...
4) Molten welding wire in your hair is bad... Very, very bad. o_O

Any other gems of first-timer wisdom?


Even worse is getting a small peice of spatter decide that its going into you ear while you are welding lying on your side. You know its hot cos you can hear it boiling what little wax you have in your ear. THEN it hurts.


ecosse - 17/11/06 at 09:25 AM

quote:
Originally posted by millenniumtree
And lastly...
4) Molten welding wire in your hair is bad... Very, very bad. o_O

Any other gems of first-timer wisdom?


Yeh, don't weld with a hole in your glove, no matter how small, because I guarantee hot spatter will find it!

Cheers

Alex


PeterW - 17/11/06 at 09:38 AM

quote:
Originally posted by ecosse
quote:
Originally posted by millenniumtree
And lastly...
4) Molten welding wire in your hair is bad... Very, very bad. o_O

Any other gems of first-timer wisdom?


Yeh, don't weld with a hole in your glove, no matter how small, because I guarantee hot spatter will find it!

Cheers

Alex



And don't weld with your trousers tucked into your work boots, as weld finds its way down there too...!! Its called the welders dance....

A baseball cap on back to front always stops bits going down your neck too....

Cheers

Peter


James - 17/11/06 at 11:00 AM

However hot it is... don't weld with you shirt off!
Not unless you want (firstly) really bad sun burn and (secondly) skin cancer!

Cheers,
James


ecosse - 17/11/06 at 11:06 AM

quote:


And don't weld with your trousers tucked into your work boots, as weld finds its way down there too...!! Its called the welders dance....

A baseball cap on back to front always stops bits going down your neck too....

Cheers

Peter


LOL...yeh, I'd forgotten about spatter in the boots


thunderace - 17/11/06 at 11:33 AM

http://www.mig-welding.co.uk/
this site may help .
im doing a corse on mig.


02GF74 - 17/11/06 at 03:32 PM

quote:
Originally posted by jollygreengiant

Even worse is getting a small peice of spatter decide that its going into you ear while you are welding lying on your side. You know its hot cos you can hear it boiling what little wax you have in your ear. THEN it hurts.



tell me about it; usually you are underneath a land rover when this happens and the immediate reaction is to sit up ineveitably smacking ones head very hard on the chassis

Tip: use small bits of moistened toilet paper wedge into ears - also act to queiten down noise when grinding (locost ear plugs )


pewe - 17/11/06 at 03:35 PM

And the next $64,000 tip is..... shortest lead possible to your power source or a really meaty extension lead if you must use one - couldn't believe the difference in welding when I started using a nice thick lead.
Also practise makes..... for better welds if not perfect.
Cheers, Pewe


Peteff - 17/11/06 at 04:29 PM

Clip the end off the wire before you arc up if you have a long stickout, it arcs better and you aren't too far away for the gas to shield.


rusty nuts - 17/11/06 at 07:09 PM

If doing any body repairs on your tin top make sure you clean EVERY trace of underseal/antichip from a much larger area then you think you need , Molten underseal sticks like the proverbial ! hurts like hell and scars. Get yourself a Hotsleeve.


DIY Si - 17/11/06 at 07:14 PM

And it has a nasty habit of setting fire too. And since everything's now red hot it can be an ar$e to put out. I've had a friend weld a mini boot floor and wlak away, only to turn round and realise the car was on fire!


millenniumtree - 18/11/06 at 04:55 PM

quote:
Originally posted by rusty nuts
If doing any body repairs on your tin top make sure you clean EVERY trace of underseal/antichip from a much larger area then you think you need , Molten underseal sticks like the proverbial ! hurts like hell and scars. Get yourself a Hotsleeve.


Wow, that's a great tip there. The underside of my civic is covered in the stuff and I was planning on eventually doing some repairs there. I'll have the fire extinguisher at hand during that repair for sure. :|

Probably need to think about carpeting on the reverse side of your weld too, eh? You could set the inside of the car on fire above you and not even know it!


t.j. - 20/11/06 at 08:05 PM

quote:
Originally posted by nitram38
Don't weld Galvanised steel either!!!!
I gives off cyanide gas!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you must weld it, remove it from both sides with a grinder/soft pad and wear a mask to sheild you from the fumes.
Welding onto galv directly causes bad welds.

[Edited on 17/11/2006 by nitram38]


That's nice. Nobody told me that when I welded exhaustsystems!

That's why i can't count to ten anymore

[Edited on 20/11/06 by t.j.]


Peteff - 20/11/06 at 11:54 PM

Welding galvanised steel gives off zinc oxide fumes, not good stuff to inhale as it causes fume fever like a flu symptom which doesn't occur straight away. You can see the reaction like yellow fuzz or threads building up on the metal.