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BenB - 30/3/07 at 07:53 AM

Hi all!

After my rather chilly drive the other day I've decided it's finally time to fit the heater bits I've got sitting around in the garage.... The oil coolers a funny shape so I'm going to cover it in a GRP cowl....

My question is this- which is stiffer / stronger better, 3 layers of 200gm GRP or 1 layer of 600gm GRP. I would have thought three thin layers but I seem to recall a theory that one thick layer is better... Or is it that you really need GRP to be thick so it's better to have 2 layers of 200gm with some coremat in between to give some depth...

Thanks for any advice- I've done CF work before but due to the cost we tended to work with what cloth we had available!!!


twybrow - 30/3/07 at 08:00 AM

You are right with your last point. Nominally the stiffness of the 3 x 200g would be the same as 1 x 600g. If hand layup is being used, I would choose the 3 x 200g as you will ensure better wet out and consolidation. As you say to achieve stiffness you either want to seperate the layers with something like Coremat, or put a layer of carbon in there.

[Edited on 30/3/07 by twybrow]


Hammerhead - 30/3/07 at 09:23 AM

how much cf would you need? might have some going spare.


mookaloid - 30/3/07 at 09:38 AM

Heater? you'll be fitting a radio and roof next


BenB - 30/3/07 at 10:21 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Hammerhead
how much cf would you need? might have some going spare.


Its a fair bit to be honest- one of the reasons I'm going glass fibre(ie cost of that much carbon!)... 8 plates approx 20*20 (I'm making a three part plenum for the heater matrix), then enough to cover the whole thing.... Carbon has always looked scarily expensive when I've thought about buying it (that's why I normally just blag it off my brother but he's gone all pre-preg....)...


BenB - 30/3/07 at 10:34 AM

quote:
Originally posted by mookaloid
Heater? you'll be fitting a radio and roof next


LOL! Almost!!! Roof and an intercom system!!!


twybrow - 30/3/07 at 10:38 AM

Why not layup in glass, and cover in carbon for that true Halfrauds style!?

So you need around 6+m2 of carbon for your job? From a supplier that would be around £100+ depending on weave style and fibre specification. For cheapness, you could use a larger tow fabric. The really pretty ones are the small tow fabrics, but they cost the earth. Try some supplier for some '24k' woven material.


BenB - 30/3/07 at 11:35 AM

To be honest I'd be happy with GRP... It's true that CF can look very pimpy bling but its always a dilema when you do a simple lay-up on top of a buck . Do you make the inside smooth and accept a fluffy outer layer (which is never going to look that bling) or have a smooth shiny outer but nasty stuff internally? I made my airbox out of Carbon (polystyrene carved and sanded, CF on the outside then petrol to dissolve the styrene)- smooth on the inside but loads of strands visable etc on the outside. I ended up spraying it silver anyway, so GRP's no real problem....





Hammerhead - 30/3/07 at 12:33 PM

if you are wet laying up over a mould you can use 'peel ply' to get a flat matt finish. Then if you want shiny you could spray plasticote laquer on it maybe.


BenB - 30/3/07 at 01:56 PM

True.... Then again, check the interior of my car!! It sure ain't built to be pretty Bling ain't my thing!!!! Good plan though...


twybrow - 5/4/07 at 01:41 PM

Peel ply gives a horrid finish! If you want a smooth finish, build up your plug however you want (chicken wire and paper-mache works well. Then skim everything with body filler. Sand back to the shape you want, and spray with a decent primer. For a box, do it the same as you did (with polystyrene) and drill a small hole to pour in your solvent. The thin layer of filler should come out pretty easy afterwards...

I am using some very fancy stuff at work at the moment - it can be cast and then dissolved using water!