mr henderson
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| posted on 29/9/08 at 07:53 AM |
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Using pre-preg for rough and ready body prototyping?
On a recent thread somebody posted a link to this stuff
http://www.curon.co.uk/
designed for flat roofing, this stuff comes in a roll, and when opened out and exposed to the UV in daylight it hardens.
Seems to me it could be ideal for making prototype body parts, especially in situations where the ideal shape is not yet known, and a number of
different ideas need to be tried out.
I would value opinions on this subject
John
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 29/9/08 at 08:03 AM |
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would be handy if layed up in a blacked out garage, once happy with it, you could either push the mould outside to cure or switch on a UV lamp, or do
some welding 
good for making your own indoor swimming pool too 
Fame is when your old car is plastered all over the internet
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smart51
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| posted on 29/9/08 at 08:10 AM |
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A quick glance suggests it is sticky when the film is peeled off so can be stuck to formers to hold its shape. UV cure is about 20 minutes, which is
nice and quick. Can be laminated to join sheets and increase thickness, but you need to roll it to join it. I bet it is expensive
Why do you want pre-preg rather than wet lay up?
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mr henderson
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| posted on 29/9/08 at 08:39 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by smart51
Why do you want pre-preg rather than wet lay up?
There are a number of reasons, all based on previous experience, but let's just sum it up as I don't like it.
John
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 29/9/08 at 09:17 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by smart51
Why do you want pre-preg rather than wet lay up?
bit less messy than drippy glass mat, this might be a nice product to lay up over foam cores, depending on what it is like to sand later and just how
strong it actually is, I suspect it might be a bit flexible. Someone needs to buy some and try it out.
Fame is when your old car is plastered all over the internet
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Vindi_andy
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| posted on 29/9/08 at 10:20 AM |
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Read the article on this stuff in kit car magazine and thought exatly the same thing
wont shrink slightly stretchable etc looked really good.
I smell a Locost group buy
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twybrow
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| posted on 29/9/08 at 12:07 PM |
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anthing PREPREG will not be Locost!
[Edited on 29/9/08 by twybrow]
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russbost
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| posted on 29/9/08 at 12:40 PM |
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The suggestion in Kitcar mag was that although dearer (they didn't say how much dearer) the time savings could easily compensate for higher
costs.
You could certainly turn round bucks/moulds/panels far more quickly. It is supposed to be very good for detail work, they showed some quite intricate
shapes done with it.
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mr henderson
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| posted on 29/9/08 at 12:40 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by twybrow
anthing PREPREG will not be Locost!
Do you have any numbers, I would be very interested?
John
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Vindi_andy
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| posted on 29/9/08 at 12:49 PM |
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You could try the distributor page on their website thats the way Im thinking
Or contact them direct:
telephone: 01926 490292
e-mail:info@curon.co.uk
[Edited on 29/9/08 by Vindi_andy]
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mr henderson
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| posted on 29/9/08 at 01:08 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Vindi_andy
You could try the distributor page on their website thats the way Im thinking
Or contact them direct:
telephone: 01926 490292
e-mail:info@curon.co.uk
I did think of that, but what I was really hoping for was a comparison with wet lay-up (which I don't have figures for either)
Something along the lines of pre-preg will cost you x times the amount of wet lay-up.
Also, as Russ points out, time is an issue so if using pre-preg saves a fair bit of it then I could tolerate quite a price premium
John
[Edited on 29/9/08 by mr henderson]
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iank
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| posted on 29/9/08 at 01:44 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by twybrow
anthing PREPREG will not be Locost!
[Edited on 29/9/08 by twybrow]
Conversely it's designed for making roofs and the building trade won't pay a big premium - especially at the moment. Minimum order
quantities might be quite large though.
As for flexibility they claim you can walk on a roof made of the stuff after 20mins so it can't be super wibbly - you'll have to work fast
though.
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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RK
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| posted on 29/9/08 at 04:21 PM |
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anybody have any idea as to cost?? I'm kind of afraid to ask them... especially considering where I am (ie. a long ways away).
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JC
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| posted on 29/9/08 at 06:17 PM |
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As I first mentioned this on the other thread, how about I email the distributor/manufacturer to try and get 1 consolidated reply? I'll ask the
price as well.......
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chrisg
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| posted on 29/9/08 at 07:25 PM |
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Good idea, we'll all be there with you in spirit.
What about a little sweepstake on the price?
I'll go for.........£50/m sq.
Cheers
Chris
Note to all: I really don't know when to leave well alone. I tried to get clever with the mods, then when they gave me a lifeline to see the
error of my ways, I tried to incite more trouble via u2u. So now I'm banned, never to return again. They should have done it years ago!
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JC
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| posted on 30/9/08 at 03:11 PM |
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E mail sent, standing by for reply!!
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Vindi_andy
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| posted on 3/10/08 at 11:38 AM |
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any joy yet as I am very curious about this got some ideas that i think this stuiff will lend itself to
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mr henderson
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| posted on 3/10/08 at 11:51 AM |
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I just rang up my nearest distributor, it's the quickest way to get an answer out of just about any supplier.
Anyway, the answer is, for a 10mtr roll, £100.88 plus VAT = £118.53
That's £12.48 per square metre. What we need to know now is, how thick is it (in other words, how many layers are going to be needed for the
average bodywork application) ?
John
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JC
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| posted on 4/10/08 at 08:53 AM |
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Had a reply this morning:
Is Curon suitable to lay up over a foam core in order to
produce a one-off piece?
CURON IS BEST STETCHED OVER A MALE MOULD
What is the finish on the 'UV' side like
PRETTY GOOD
how easy is it to produce a finish suitable for paint on this side?
BOTH SIDES EXCELLENT
If it is suitable to lay over foam, what sorts?
Does it dissolve any products?!
POLYSTYRENE
What is the best way of getting hold of Curon? Is it direct from yourselves, or from local suppliers? What is the minimum order size and most
importantly, how much is it?
10M X 930MM X 1MM THICK GREY IN COLOUR
WILL SEND A QUOTE SHORTLY
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mr henderson
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| posted on 4/10/08 at 11:07 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by JC
10M X 930MM X 1MM
1mm??? Sounds a bit thin to me, even for it's original use
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JC
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| posted on 5/10/08 at 11:35 AM |
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There was something in the original article that alluded to the fact that 1mm of curon was the equivalent of 2mm of 'normal' GRP.
Didn't make it clear whether it was weight or strength though!!!!!
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JC
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| posted on 9/10/08 at 05:03 PM |
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Samples have now arrived - some made parts and some samples of the stuff to make something with. Haven't got time to post more now but will
keep you updated!!!
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Vindi_andy
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| posted on 4/11/08 at 08:31 PM |
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any more news on this still interested in maybe doing something with it
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