Surrey Dave
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| posted on 3/11/05 at 02:40 PM |
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Generic Mig's????
On looking around it seems that a lot of Mig welders look similar ,i.e ERP / Sealey,
Some Sealey's look like a Clarke red type, it a bit confusing ........
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ned
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| posted on 3/11/05 at 02:46 PM |
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Dave,
what are you suggesting?
that they're all made in the same korean factory but painted different colours and have different stickers?
beware, I've got yellow skin
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Surrey Dave
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| posted on 3/11/05 at 02:54 PM |
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It's a bit tricky when your trying to get something better than a Clarke , when a Clarke can be a Sealey ,and a Sealey can be an ERP depending
on the model number.
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NS Dev
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| posted on 3/11/05 at 03:17 PM |
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I don't think there is any crossover between clarke and sealey, certainly never used to be.
The sealey machines are EXACTLY the same as the ERP ones, but 20% more expensive! Thye both leave the same factory in Italy, but some are rebranded by
Sealey and some by ERP in Hull who make less money!!
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Triton
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| posted on 3/11/05 at 10:25 PM |
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Cebora.......don't waste good money on that sealey/clarke rubbish
My Daughter has taken over production of the damn fine Triton race seats and her contact email is emmatrs@live.co.uk.
www.tritonraceseats.com
www.hairyhedgehog.com
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Ben_Copeland
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| posted on 3/11/05 at 10:46 PM |
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I've got a proper industrial MIG welder now, wont ever go back to the mickey mouse ones available in Machine Mart, etc.
Good second hand one will cost same as a mickey mouse one. And be a lot better
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Mark Allanson
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| posted on 3/11/05 at 10:46 PM |
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Cebora make most sub £500 migs in the world! Including SIP, Clarke etc even the small 'SnapOn' ones
If you can keep you head, whilst all others around you are losing theirs, you are not fully aware of the situation
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Surrey Dave
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| posted on 3/11/05 at 11:28 PM |
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If I search the threads , there are lots of good things said about the Clarke migs , even though my guts say , get something more expensive , the main
gripe with my old Sip130 is the wire feed has become less and less reliable (plenty of birds nests!!) , and also it appears to have become less
powerful , but in the beginning it wasn't bad up to about 2-3mm thick.
Ideally I would like to make a good job of metal upto 6mm thick........
[Edited on 3/11/05 by Surrey Dave]
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Ian Pearson
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| posted on 4/11/05 at 12:25 AM |
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There's a test on MIG welders in the Dec issue of Practical Classics.
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Triton
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| posted on 4/11/05 at 08:03 AM |
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Had my Cebora for just over 4 years and it's been hammered but still going strong even though it's single phase, list price was £800 odd i
got it for £500 along with some goodies...Buy one from a welding suppliies firm and they keep prices mega low as they expect to make it up on
consumables, wire etc...again best place to buy wire as half the price and top Loyds quality .
My Daughter has taken over production of the damn fine Triton race seats and her contact email is emmatrs@live.co.uk.
www.tritonraceseats.com
www.hairyhedgehog.com
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Peteff
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| posted on 4/11/05 at 10:30 AM |
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Check out the feed mechanisms on them all, that's where most cheap welders fall flat.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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Surrey Dave
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| posted on 4/11/05 at 01:34 PM |
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I Dont Believe It!!!
Have read the reviews in Practical Classsics, I cant believe it , they gave top marks to a SIP MIGMATE!!!!.
Said that most budget machines had improved due to now using a metal liner in the torch instead of plastic.
my old SIP certainly has a plastic liner, it probably drags and causes the wire to snarl up...
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NS Dev
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| posted on 4/11/05 at 01:41 PM |
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repeating what I said before, my £400 ERP machine (a pretty big machine, 210 amp, not a hobby thing) is spot on. Has certainly processed over 65 kg of
wire into weld without one feed jam up or any other fault.
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Surrey Dave
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| posted on 4/11/05 at 01:46 PM |
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Yeah , I've got Red Clarke , Erp 185,and Butters 180 on my wish list at the mo.
I dont do enough welding to have another BOC cylinder .which is what I had when I built the car, so it will be carry on with disposables, or Pub
bottle
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JoelP
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| posted on 4/11/05 at 05:22 PM |
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can expensive migs do the things that tigs can do, ie ally and stainless etc. I remember mark saying that you can do stainless with a mig, but would
it also work with ally and AC? if not, why not?! 
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Peteff
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| posted on 4/11/05 at 06:39 PM |
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They will weld stainless and aluminium with pure argon shielding gas but aluminium needs care to feed (teflon liner and pull feed on gun preferably)
otherwise it chews up in the rollers.
Sealey industrial welders are a different class to their diy range. Try here for a
decent deal on the 185 supermig.
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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JoelP
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| posted on 4/11/05 at 07:03 PM |
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http://www.migtigarc.co.uk/MIG_Welder/mig_welder.html
how about the Butters Spool Mig 160? Looks able, however, its only a little cheaper than a tig device.
Would a good mig welder produce results as nice as a tig?
im actually more interested in stainless than ally, as stainless is more useful a material in terms of making shiny bits
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907
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| posted on 4/11/05 at 08:01 PM |
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For all round versatillity Joel you can't beat TIG. (IMHO)
You use the same gas for everything (argon) so just the one cylinder to rent.
Also, it will weld a good range of thicknesses suitable for Locosters.
You'd be hard pushed to weld 1 mm sheet with a mig and get it as neat a result as tig.
I use a mag set at work with "stainshield" gas for stainless, and argon/Co2 mix for steel,
and as Pete says you need a "pull feed" gun for ally.
It all becomes too expensive for home use.
Paul G
[Edited on 5/11/05 by 907]
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lexi
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| posted on 5/11/05 at 09:52 PM |
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Sealey Migs are made by Telwin a big Italian company. You can buy the Telwin brand at Northern Tools cheaper than Sealey (I think). Agree with most of
whats said but skill and practice are what is needed in welding and if you have that you can weld with a cheaper machine too. A good machine may not
make you a good welder just as a good tennis racket...........
Alex
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NS Dev
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| posted on 8/11/05 at 01:51 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Peteff
They will weld stainless and aluminium with pure argon shielding gas but aluminium needs care to feed (teflon liner and pull feed on gun preferably)
otherwise it chews up in the rollers.
Sealey industrial welders are a different class to their diy range. Try here for a
decent deal on the 185 supermig.
.............................AS I said!!!!! ERP ARE SEALEY machines at much less money, made by Telwin in the same factory, even painted the same,
just no signing on them!
sorry but nobody seems to be listening!!!
(unless the deal is even cheaper than the ERP machines, which I doubt!)
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NS Dev
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| posted on 8/11/05 at 01:58 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by JoelP
http://www.migtigarc.co.uk/MIG_Welder/mig_welder.html
how about the Butters Spool Mig 160? Looks able, however, its only a little cheaper than a tig device.
Would a good mig welder produce results as nice as a tig?
im actually more interested in stainless than ally, as stainless is more useful a material in terms of making shiny bits
To weld ally you really need a tig, unless it's all going to be 8mm thick truck bodies, in which case mig will do. An ac tig capable of welding
ally will basically be £1500 incl vat and everything that you need.
For stainless, you can use mig, but again, as 907 says, TIG is imeasurably better.
as usual you need the right tool for the right job, "multipurpose" tools are rarely much good!
for a DC tig, I think this deal on the GYS 130 amp hf tig is hard to beat, as you definitely need hf starting in my opinion:
GYS 130 hf tig
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JoelP
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| posted on 8/11/05 at 07:45 PM |
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cheers fella. Im going to start a thread in a few days, asking for comments on two shortlisted machines, hopefully that will sort me out. I might have
read the specs wrong, but im pretty sure ive found two suitable machines for about 1000 each.
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