tegwin
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 posted on 18/9/07 at 02:22 PM |
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Heating a leaky garage the locost style?
Seeings as winter is comming again, I really dont fancy spending the next 4 months shivering away in my drafty garage... Some years its so cold in
there I swear I might actually start sticking to my steel tools...
Its a concrete double garage built into a hillside woth one very leaky door...
Now I can potentially seal up the door a bit better and insulate it, but....
What is the best LOCOST way of heating such a large space effectivley? The turbo fan blowers in machinemart look ok, but they aint cheap!
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Dangle_kt
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| posted on 18/9/07 at 02:26 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by tegwin
Seeings as winter is comming again, I really dont fancy spending the next 4 months shivering away in my drafty garage... Some years its so cold in
there I swear I might actually start sticking to my steel tools...
Its a concrete double garage built into a hillside woth one very leaky door...
Now I can potentially seal up the door a bit better and insulate it, but....
What is the best LOCOST way of heating such a large space effectivley? The turbo fan blowers in machinemart look ok, but they aint cheap!
I use a cheap infra red heater, it doesnt waste energy heating the air - just you and the stuff around you - cost £9 and works a treat.
It needs to be pretty close by - so it may be worth getting two seeing as your garage is a double.
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graememk
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| posted on 18/9/07 at 02:27 PM |
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gas is good but bad for unprotected metal
those outside electric patio heaters are good and is what i use.
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Worzey
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| posted on 18/9/07 at 02:28 PM |
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I've got a spare wall mounted fan heater that came out of the bathroom.
Sounds like its a bit too small and weady for what you want but its yours if you want it for the price of the postage. It might take the edge off the
cold
Caterham R400
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tegwin
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| posted on 18/9/07 at 02:28 PM |
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I had looked at them...
The infrared light isnt going to have any negative effects on my eyes or skin is it?... Just a bit worried lol...
Glad you mentioned that...silly me for forgetting that burning gas produces water vapour....not good for metal
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 18/9/07 at 02:35 PM |
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Avoid using propane/butane or paraffin heaters - they can put a lot of moisture into the air, which condenses onto cold metal and causes rust. (oops!
Too slow)
Ever thought about a wood-burner? Could you install a simple pipe chimney? Machine Mart sells stoves - but the cost adds up when you factor in flues
etc.
[Edited on 18/9/07 by David Jenkins]
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Dangle_kt
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| posted on 18/9/07 at 02:39 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by tegwin
I had looked at them...
The infrared light isnt going to have any negative effects on my eyes or skin is it?... Just a bit worried lol...
Glad you mentioned that...silly me for forgetting that burning gas produces water vapour....not good for metal
well I wouldn't get within a few inches for long, but you'll be considerable distance away most the time so will be fine.
I try not to look straight at the tubes, just because I'd ratehr be safe than sorry.
I doubt they would be allowed if they were dangerous and they've been around for years. plus they have different settings.
plus for £9 if it doesn't work its a good back up in case your other meathods you invest lots of cash in - break or run out.
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hobbsy
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| posted on 18/9/07 at 02:42 PM |
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Where did you buy one for £9 as when I bought mine I looked everywhere at it was about £20-£30 IIRC.
We're talking about the same things, like a metal floodlight but bigger and with an IR tube in it. The replacement tubes are more than that
IIRC.
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Peteff
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| posted on 18/9/07 at 02:45 PM |
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Infra red doesn't harm your skin or eyes, that's ultra violet. IR is used in a lot of muscle treatments/physiotherapy so it might actually
do you some good 
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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Ivan
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| posted on 18/9/07 at 02:47 PM |
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Work realy fast - friction is a great heater 
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JonBowden
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| posted on 18/9/07 at 02:49 PM |
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Obviously you want to add as much insulation / draft proofing as is practical.
If your garage is next to the house, you might extend the central heating to add a small radiator in the garage. This should take the chill off and
give you something warm to lean against
Jon
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Dangle_kt
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| posted on 18/9/07 at 02:51 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by hobbsy
Where did you buy one for £9 as when I bought mine I looked everywhere at it was about £20-£30 IIRC.
We're talking about the same things, like a metal floodlight but bigger and with an IR tube in it. The replacement tubes are more than that
IIRC.
B&Q, it aint big or anything and defo not industrial, its a cheap plastic item and was on special @ £9, usually £14ish I think.
 
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 18/9/07 at 02:53 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by hobbsy
Where did you buy one for £9 as when I bought mine I looked everywhere at it was about £20-£30 IIRC.
We're talking about the same things, like a metal floodlight but bigger and with an IR tube in it. The replacement tubes are more than that
IIRC.
I have been looking at these myself - outdoor patio heaters at around £27 on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WALL-MOUNTED-1300W-INFRARED-GARDEN-OUTDOOR-PATIO-HEATER_W0QQitemZ220150802485QQihZ012QQcategoryZ106402QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQc
mdZViewItem
Not sure how much these are in the shops......anyone looked?? Do Costco / Aldi / Mackro sell these??
[Edited on 18/9/07 by Paul TigerB6]
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BenB
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| posted on 18/9/07 at 02:55 PM |
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If it's cut into a hillside the loss through the walls isn't going to be much. The leaky door is going to be the main problem.....
Short of sorting that out I can personally recommend a Dickies thermal worksuit. Even in the midst of winter that badboy gets too hot and I have to
start unzipping it to let steam out!!! I've got a cheap oil filled radiator but must admit I never use it since getting the Dickies suit.
I'd say its pretty Locost (using your own body heat to keep warm!!)...
http://www.dickiesstore.co.uk/dickies-workwear/dickies-and-redhawk-overalls/dickies-deluxe-overalls/WD2360R/0/
Whatever you do don't use a cheap convection (blower) heater with a coiled element (bar IR elements are okay). The use lots of energy blowing
round cold air, give of poxy amounts of heat for the energy they consume, give off really bad smells if you get glass fibre dust on the elements and
if you get iron fillings on them from angle grinding they tend to blow!!! My brother got through 3 of them before realising they're shite!!!
[Edited on 18/9/07 by BenB]
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MikeR
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| posted on 18/9/07 at 03:05 PM |
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tried heating mine using a convection heater .... it got to the point i'd leave it on an hour before going into the garage and it would still
then be damned cold.
tried the infra red heater and it was good stood next to it - but had a range of about 3 feet.
This summer i've boarded out the attic space (just finishing it now - started months ago). i'm also going to foil line (and if i find
enough / can figure out how to still access the attic space bubble wrap between the foil and boarding)
The plan is to reduce the drafts from the roof space / reduce the volume to be heated. If i can then insulate the garage door (I 'gave' my
dad the insulation i'd acquired) i think i'd be ok. Its a single skin garage so will never get warm but should be bearable.
As for clothing, i've tried thermals, layers etc but for me the biggest problem is cold hands. Once they get cold i can't pick stuff up
and work.
If all else fails, 150 amp welder on full power and run a series of beads on some 5mm steel. that should radiate heat for a while
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DarrenW
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| posted on 18/9/07 at 03:05 PM |
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i used one of those halogen cheapo heaters with a fan heater above it to distribute heat batter in my old large garage with pitched roof. Worked
great.
You dont need the garage to be toasty warm when you are working, just the chill taken off it.
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nick205
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| posted on 18/9/07 at 03:06 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
Ever thought about a wood-burner? Could you install a simple pipe chimney? Machine Mart sells stoves - but the cost adds up when you factor in flues
etc.
[Edited on 18/9/07 by David Jenkins]
Nice - you could get a sofa and telly out there too. Possibly even some tea brewing facilities to help keep the chill out.
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bartonp
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| posted on 18/9/07 at 03:18 PM |
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True Locost style:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me11.html
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MikeR
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| posted on 18/9/07 at 03:22 PM |
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dont forget a kettle, toaster and internet connection
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Andy W
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| posted on 18/9/07 at 03:31 PM |
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Pot belly stove, Cheap to run. Wouldn't be without it.
 
garage Stove
Andy
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UncleFista
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| posted on 18/9/07 at 03:53 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Andy W
Pot belly stove, Cheap to run. Wouldn't be without it.
Andy
Seconded, hot as you like in a few minutes and burn almost owt, from chipboard to coal.
You can even boil a kettle on it
Tony Bond / UncleFista
Love is like a snowmobile, speeding across the frozen tundra.
Which suddenly flips, pinning you underneath.
At night the ice-weasels come...
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MikeR
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| posted on 18/9/07 at 04:10 PM |
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don't be daft man, we're locosters, hold it in front of the infra red heater, why else did you buy three pairs of welding gloves when they
where on special offer
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JimSpencer
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| posted on 18/9/07 at 04:17 PM |
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Hi
Before trying to heat it.
Insulate it.
Use those brush type insulating strips round the sides of the garage door.
If the door is the metal up and over type, these work like a big radiator in reverse (any heat you put into the garage they radiate to the outside)
Insulate all the back of it with 1 inch polystyrene (the fire protected sort, big sheets from Wickes or B&Q ).
You must insulate under the roof with whatever material you can get in there - again polystyrene is good and cheap - Kingspan is better.
Secondary double glazing looks naff but works.
My double garage is heated by 2 oil filled radiators on timer switch's - quite comfortable even in the middle of winter and no condensation
either.
Hope this helps
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tegwin
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| posted on 18/9/07 at 04:46 PM |
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Yes it is an up and over garage door...So im going to give that a shot...fitting draft excluders and insulation...
Where is the best place to get the draft excluders from?..The gaps are quite large!
And as for insulating the roof....Its nearly 1.5 feet of reinforced concrete....Think thats plenty of insulation....lol....Im pretty sure the builders
thought they were building a fallout shelter!
[Edited on 18/9/07 by tegwin]
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Avoneer
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| posted on 18/9/07 at 05:49 PM |
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Gave up reading all that - tumble dryer every time wins hands down (and keeps SWMBO happy).
Pat...
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However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
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