Hypothetically speaking here...
If the police wanted to search your house they would need to produce a warrant otherwise you have the right to refuse them access (this is how I
understand it)
If you are stopped while driving, do the *ilth have the right to search your car without a warrant? Or can you refuse them access to your vehicle?
Just a thought that cropped into my head the today....
cheers
james
[Edited on 21/8/07 by farmer.palmer]
[Edited on 21/8/07 by farmer.palmer]
I asked a similar question on Pistonheads but got no-where. Not even the police would answer. Lots of if you've got nothing to hide non-sense. I do know that in America if you asked to step out of your car you should lock it, then they have to get a warrant.
Nope, as far as I know and I know not the reasoning but they do not use a warrant for the car if they suspect something as we/they don't need a
warrant for a person but we/they issue a form to say why the vehicle was searched and gives the officers details.
[Edited on 9/8/07 by mistergrumpy]
Personally I couldn't give a monkey's.
I'm afraid I fully subscribe to the "if you've nothing to hide" movement (sorry Clockwork).
As I see it, this country is turning as soft as sh*te and the scumbags are taking over!
Sure, you get some over-zealous coppers out their, but so what... I'd rather the devil I know!
im sure you could question it on the grounds of human rights in your right to a private life though?
What (hypothetically speaking) have you got in your car that would be of concern to the police should they search your car?
Also, why (again hypothetically speaking) would the police have stopped you?
IMHO it would come down to "grounds for reasonable suspicion". i.e. if you, your behaviour or your car looks suspect in some way they have
the right to stop and search you and your vehicle.
I'm with Scootz especially on the 3rd on 4th lines. You do get over zealous coppers but these are the ones that constantly clip at the heels of
the scum bags for all and anything and make day to day stuff more difficult for them and I'm all for that.I know from first hand that none of the
monkeys like the restrictions on their time or habits, it annoys the p1ss out of them so yeah I've no problems with being pulled over/searched,
as I have done in the past, all be it mistakingly mind.
This one is fairly straight forward.
There are two main bits of legislation that allows officer to search your vehicle when it is in a public place.
Section 1 Police and Criminal Evidence Act to allow searching for stolen goods, weapons and items used to commit thefts/burglaries etc
Section 23 Misuse of Drugs Act to allow officers to search for drugs.
In both cases officers need reasonable grounds to search. These are the officers justification and you do not have to agree with it.
The officer is required to provide you with his grounds and some other information including which station he is from. At the end of the search a
stop slip will be produced unless the officer is urgently called away. If you do not receive a stop slip at the time it can be collected from the
station at any time in the next 12 months.
Once an officer has established grounds and informed you he is going to search it is an offence (obstruction) to not allow them to search.
As mentioned in a previous post you do have rights under the human rights act which is why the officer is required to justify the search and produce
the written record.
I understood that for your own personnal safety as long as you stop you do not even have to get out of the car. You can take the slip off the copper
to produce and volunteer to be escorted to a police station.
I'm sure if this happens it will pi€€ them right off.
But, lady driver on her own at 1am. Is it safe for her to pull over and get out? I think not.
Anyway refuse to get out of the car and demand a MacDonalds. Thats normally the crack if your on a roof making a nuisance of yourself isn't it??
Where the Police are really crossing the civil liberties line is the semi-random early morning stop checks they are doing accompanied by DHSS (or what ever they are called this week), imigration & income tax whallahs ---- that is just plain wrong.
http://www.northants.police.uk/default.asp?action=article&ID=1980#7
According to Northants police they can do if they believe you have committed (or are about to commit) a crime under stop+search remit.
Apparently they have to leave you a letter saying they've done it if you're not there and you can ask for compensation if they damage
it!!!
Oh well......
The semi-random stops are usually controlled by automatic number plate readers stopping people with no license and no insurance.
And why is stopping people with questionable immigration status or people who are wanted for tax offences an infringement on civil liberty.
As far as I can see it is taking care of some of the people not putting into the system as the rest of us do.
quote:
Originally posted by tiffshaw
The semi-random stops are usually controlled by automatic number plate readers stopping people with no license and no insurance.
And why is stopping people with questionable immigration status or people who are wanted for tax offences an infringement on civil liberty.
As far as I can see it is taking care of some of the people not putting into the system as the rest of us do.
I knew this would develop into a 'hearsay' debate...
We NEED the Police to get stuck right into all the muppets in the land (and I mean REALLY get stuck into them) - I personally don't care if I
occasionally get inconvenienced while they're at it!
As they said in Hot Fuzz - it's all for the greater good!
PS - If I occasionally get stopped for being a bit naughty.... then I take my medicine and get on with it! I'm a big boy and I know the
score.
PPS - I really can't stant liberal moaners and whingers... come and live in the real world and see what it's all about...
quote:
More accurately various police & DSS sources have admmitted they are stopping anyone wearing overalls or driving a "white van" at 6 am ie anyone who looks as if they are going to work
quote:
Originally posted by farmer.palmer
If you are stopped while driving, do the filth have the right to search your car without a warrant? Or can you refuse them access to your vehicle?
quote:
Originally posted by matt_claydon
quote:
Originally posted by farmer.palmer
If you are stopped while driving, do the filth have the right to search your car without a warrant? Or can you refuse them access to your vehicle?
If people with nothing to hide let the police get on with it and put up with a brief minor inconvenience then they'll have more time to catch the real criminals. If everyone arses around making the Police's life as difficult as possible because they see them as some kind of enemy then it's not surprising they never have time to do any good.
quote:
Originally posted by farmer.palmer
Hypothetically speaking here...
If the police wanted to search your house they would need to produce a warrant otherwise you have the right to refuse them access (this is how I understand it)
If you are stopped while driving, do the filth have the right to search your car without a warrant? Or can you refuse them access to your vehicle?
Just a thought that cropped into my head the today....
cheers
james
I used to get stopped once/twice a week when I lived in Newquay for the crime of being a young lad in a powerful car (escort 1.1) driving around late
at night / early morning with a group of lads/lasses. On each occasion I was breathalysed and had to go to the police station a few days later with
the producer. This got very annoying after two months. I got shirty with one officer who had pulled me not two weeks before. He asked to search my
car. I declined, he threatened to arrest me. Knowing no better I told him to search the car. He found my leatherman knife in the boot of my car
(must have fallen out of a bag). He asked what I was doing carrying "An offensive weapon". Thankfully they got an urgent call so he had to
wrap it up.
What did I do? I stopped driving at night because I was fed up with it.
Moral of the story. Drive around in a car with lots of pretty young girls, expect to get stopped.
No it's not okay, just because it doesn't happen to you.
I have since met a number of senior policemen who have told me who I should have spoken to, and how to behave, but even they agree there wasn't
much I could have done differently.
Police are human. Some are tossers with an inferiority complex, others are hard-working. I would never call them Pigs or Filth.
Your civil liberties are there to give you some ammo against the tossers.
Throw away your civil liberties if you like, I couldn't care, but don't you dare make me throw away mine.
Thankyou.
P.S. I'm a nice chap, really I am, it's just a major bug bear of mine.
Benjamin Franklin (top bloke):
"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. "
banned, maybe just a quick talking to from a friendly mod is what is needed
Dont blame the monkeys, blame the organ grinders! But they say everythings and have the statistics to proove it!
Heres one, what if your a pikey and you live in a camper van, house/car search warrent or not to search warrent?
quote:
Originally posted by graememk
banned, maybe just a quick talking to from a friendly mod is what is needed
Seems to me it is a perfectly valid opinion that the police are filth. What's next, banning people because you don't like the colour they painted their car...
I think its neither here nor there the name calling but just a quick return to reality. This site has always been really free and easy and for reasons
other we gained a mod who is very much 'in the background'. A good argument/debate is great and this one is nice and friendly so lets not
start shouting for the mod. Plus I know that Fozzie is away on holiday to the Highlands and has restricted site/time access at the moment and on top
is getting over illness so lets not inundate her with e mails for public floggings and carry on like grown ups.
Just to add, its a very valid point made by Andy ^ I agree
[Edited on 9/8/07 by mistergrumpy]
Well thank you all for your opinions, even those of Mookaloid, who it seems needs to get out more and spend less time worrying about the actions of
others.
If only I had known it would have been such a contentious issue...
I will now let you all into the reason I asked. I drive an awlful lot of miles on 'A' roads and I like to push on, but what really
dissappoints me is the mobile speed camera parked just around the corner. I have been saved on many occasions by the flash of the headlights from
on-coming traffic (to you all I thank you, and return the favour where ever possible). But, I was thinking about installing a very discreet RADAR
jammer/scanner in the car and wondered what grounds the FILTH (they are FILTH with far too many powers and ridiculous targets to hit, I have no
problem with heavy handed policing in the right areas, but all too often its the easy targets who get picked on) need to search your vehicle.
And before I get any more complaints about the use of the word FILTH, maybe I should just point out that several of my closest friends are policeman
and woman...
Kind regards to you all.
james
and no I don't speed through 30 mph zones....
Radar jammer/scammer. Now that will definitely get you into trouble and attract attention when they realise the camera suddenly goes funny.
every mobile car is equiped with a detector for suchs thing. A fine will be the result and building out the thing wich will be destroyed..
for the rest in NL its the same; if they think your car needs to be searched then they can do that. In fact its evenso with speed, if they think your
moped runs to fast they can pull you and put you on the rollers!anoying thing is they given't me an receipt so i came late to work with a dodgy
excuse about being pulled out.
Tks
[Edited on 9/8/07 by tks]
quote:
Originally posted by farmer.palmer
And before I get any more complaints about the use of the word FILTH, maybe I should just point out that several of my closest friends are policeman and woman...
quote:
Originally posted by andyharding
Seems to me it is a perfectly valid opinion that the police are filth. What's next, banning people because you don't like the colour they painted their car...
I think they understand that its a LIGHT HEARTED unoffensive term that happens to have been taken far too seriously on this occasion. I am also
quite certain that i am not the first person to use that reference on here, neither will I be the last.
Lets move on.... PLEASE
Kind regards
james
quote:
Originally posted by farmer.palmer
I will now let you all into the reason I asked. I drive an awlful lot of miles on 'A' roads and I like to push on, but what really dissappoints me is the mobile speed camera parked just around the corner. I have been saved on many occasions by the flash of the headlights from on-coming traffic (to you all I thank you, and return the favour where ever possible). But, I was thinking about installing a very discreet RADAR jammer/scanner in the car and wondered what grounds the FILTH (they are FILTH with far too many powers and ridiculous targets to hit, I have no problem with heavy handed policing in the right areas, but all too often its the easy targets who get picked on) need to search your vehicle.
And before I get any more complaints about the use of the word FILTH, maybe I should just point out that several of my closest friends are policeman and woman...
Kind regards to you all.
james
and no I don't speed through 30 mph zones....
Because I don't want to compromise their professional integrity...
Cheers
james
quote:
Originally posted by farmer.palmer
Well thank you all for your opinions, even those of Mookaloid, who it seems needs to get out more and spend less time worrying about the actions of others.
If only I had known it would have been such a contentious issue...
I will now let you all into the reason I asked. I drive an awlful lot of miles on 'A' roads and I like to push on, but what really dissappoints me is the mobile speed camera parked just around the corner. I have been saved on many occasions by the flash of the headlights from on-coming traffic (to you all I thank you, and return the favour where ever possible). But, I was thinking about installing a very discreet RADAR jammer/scanner in the car and wondered what grounds the FILTH (they are FILTH with far too many powers and ridiculous targets to hit, I have no problem with heavy handed policing in the right areas, but all too often its the easy targets who get picked on) need to search your vehicle.
And before I get any more complaints about the use of the word FILTH, maybe I should just point out that several of my closest friends are policeman and woman...
Kind regards to you all.
james
and no I don't speed through 30 mph zones....
Let people use the word 'filth' if they want... it highlights who the chavs and scumbags are!
[Edited on 9/8/07 by scootz]
quote:
Originally posted by scootz
Let people use the word 'filth' if they want... it let's us see who the chavs and scumbags are on here!
If you get pinged too many times by a speed gun and they get an err-03 or similar on the gun then they will report your details.
What will then happen is a couple of nice policemen who won't like being called Filth will turn up on your doorstep nice an early one morning.
They'll impound your vehicle and arrest you under the suspicion of Perverting the course of justice.
Your car will be systematically stripped until they find the jammer and not necessarily put back together properly. You'll probably end up with a
hefty fine or a prison sentence.
This isn't supposition, this is going from the experience of someone I know.
so is it against the law to use a speed detection divice ?
quote:
Originally posted by graememk
so is it against the law to use a speed detection divice ?
As I see it, it's not illegal to own a detector but it's illegal to use it for evading prosecution. Jammers/scramblers (not musicians/motorbikes) are illegal to use.
I can think of better names than 'Filth'!!
Throughout my childhood, I wanted to bo a policeman.
I had a 50cc motorbike when I was 16. I had it on the road for three days and got pulled up three times so I parked it up and it's probably still
there in my Mams shed! The copper (can I call him that?) pulled me at the same time, the same place and each time checked my docs.
After passing my car test and getting my first car (a Mini Van actually), the same three Bobbies (acceptable?) would pull me up whenever they saw me.
I once got seven 'producers' in six consecutive days. The van was totally standard and I was just driving to and from work.
For those reasons, I have absolutely no respect for the plod (too far??) and each story of incompetance that we all hear about just compounds my
beliefs.
I won't apologise for how I feel and as far as I'm concerned, the rozzers (??) have only themselves to blame. I won't apologise for
tarring them all with the same brush as when they put on the uniform, they are all as one (in my eyes!) It may well be totally the wrong attitude to
take (especially as I have a few police chums) but that's my side of the coin....
quote:
Originally posted by nick205
My original comments....
What (hypothetically speaking) have you got in your car that would be of concern to the police should they search your car?
Also, why (again hypothetically speaking) would the police have stopped you?
IMHO it would come down to "grounds for reasonable suspicion". i.e. if you, your behaviour or your car looks suspect in some way they have the right to stop and search you and your vehicle.
Plus...
If you have close friends who are in the police force, why not ask them for advice and guidance on the matter?
Personally I believe the word FILTH is a little too over the top to describe members of the Police force... I too have absolutely no respect for them
either but hey-ho - they have a job (?) to do as I do. I know some of you on here are Police-persons and I respect not knowing what you do for a job -
though I ask "does it matter".
I was a young lad (19) driving a reasonably new (2 years old) 2.8i Capri, I drove with respect and usually within the law. Never got pulled once in
the 2 years I had it...
I must agree with the commenter who stated that it kind of reflects the type of person you are by the language you choose to use... so by that does it
make the thread creater a Chav/Pimp/Scumbag? Debatable!!
BTW I do 45,000 miles/annum have done for the last 10 years or more and only been stopped once (though I have recently accrued 3 points).
Life is too short to "make" enemies and using language which can be construed as aggressive, offensive I tend to avoid for that very
reason...
Using a speed camera detector is not illegal... neither is using GPS with speed detector location points, as it is available as a legal free download.
Scramblers/jammers are illegal... if you have one, expect to get searched/stopped/frisked!
Just my 2p
Steve
I must say this is fabulous, I started an innocent thread asking a perfectly reasonable question and now we seem to be into attacking people and
questioning their moral and social values.
If you consider me to be a chav, pimp, etc, then so be it, I have better things to do with my time. However, I do have some strong opinions on
certain issues, and also a wicked humour, so I would like to thank you all for providing me with something really interesting to follow today when I
should have been outside in the sunshine but am unfortunately stuck in the office.
Cheers to you all.
james
Wiki - slang terms for Police
* 5-0: Slang for police officers and/or a warning that police are approaching. Derived from the television show Hawaii 5-0.
* Babylon: Jamaican English term for corrupt establishment systems, often applied to the police.
* Bacon: Derived from Pigs: often used in the structure "I smell bacon" to warn of the approaching presence of an officer.
* Barney: Term coined after Barney Fife from The Andy Griffith Show.
* Bear: Short for "Smokey the Bear" in reference to the hats worn by some U.S. state police being similar to that of "Smokey the
Bear". "Bear bait" is a reference to speeders, who may draw the attention of the police and allow slightly slower traffic to exceed the
speed limit in their wake. "Bear in the Air" is a reference to a police chopper.
* Bizzies: Common Liverpool slang term for the police, it was invented as the police were always too "busy" to help.
* Blue Heelers: After a breed of Australian Cattle Dog. This term was used for the Australian police drama series Blue Heelers.
* Blue Meanies: This is a 1960s hippy slang term for the police, it was used in the Beatles film the Yellow Submarine, although many viewers may
not have realised its significance.
* Bluebottle: A British term for policeman that may have derived from Cockney rhyming slang, (see also Bottles).
* Bobby: This is not now widely used in Britain (except by the police, who still commonly use it to refer to themselves), though it can occur with
a mixture of affection and slight irony in the phrase "village bobby", referring to the local community police officer. It is derived from
Robert Peel (Bobby being the usual nickname for Robert), the founder of the Metropolitan Police.
* Bottles: Cockney rhyming slang for Coppers (see below), from Bottles and Stoppers.
* Boys in blue: A reference to the blue uniform worn by some officers.
* Bronze: A term used for police officers in the 1979 Mel Gibson movie Mad Max
* Bulls: An American term usually used to refer to railroad police but may also indicate regular police officers.
* Cherry Toppers: Often used in reference to police cars which in most nations bear red lights on the top of the car.
* Cop: While commonly believed to be an acronym for Constable On Patrol, the term refers to "one who captures or snatches". This word
first appeared in the early 18th century, and can be matched with the word "cap", which has the same meaning and whose etymology can be
traced to the Latin word 'capere'. (The word retains this meaning in other contexts: teenagers "cop a feel" on a date, and they
have also been known to "cop an attitude".) Variation: Copper. It is also believed that the term Copper was the original, unshortened word,
popularly believed to represent the copper badges American officers used to wear at the time of origin, but in fact probably used in Britain to mean
"someone who cops" long before this.
* Crusher: Of unknown origin but may have come from the nickname used for the Royal Navy Regulating Branch.
* Dibble or The Dibble: Arises from the police officer in the Hanna-Barbera animated programme Top Cat. Most commonly used in Manchester.
* Do-do nutters or The Do-dos: Arises from the stereotype of police officers eating donuts.
* DRC or The DRC: Dirty Rotten Cop(per).
* Feds: a term in widespread use around the West Midlands area, especially Birmingham. Derogatory slang, used mainly by white youths, possibly
down to influence of imported US television programmes.
* Filth: a term in widespread use in London.
* (Name of city)'s Finest: Used in either admiration, or slightly derisive irony, in the United States. In New York City, the term has been
adapted to other civil servants, such as "New York's Bravest" (the Fire Department) and "New York's Boldest" (the
Department of Correction).
* Flatfoot: A term that refers to the large amount of walking that a police officer would do, thus causing flat feet.
* Folks, Tha Folks: Southern Lousisiana, rarely used.
* Fuzz: This North American term first appeared in the 1920s and gained popularity in the 1930s. This slang term may be in reference to the sound
of the field radios that police commonly use. It surfaced in Britain in the 1960s.
* The Heat: American; putting the heat on someone. (Example: in the line What a field day for the heat (Stephen Stills, "For What It's
Worth" from Buffalo Springfield, 1967), Stills is referring to the police.)
* The Gaver: Cockney slang for the police - unknown origin - London.
* Heavy or Heavies: Cockney rhyming slang for the Flying Squad, from the Heavy Mob, (see also Sweeney).
* Horseman: A Canadian term referring to the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. Variation: Mounties.
* Mama (Maman in South): Hindi (Malayalam in South) word which means uncle. Sarcastic reference to a policeman.
* Member: Used by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police to refer to fellow Mounties in place of the usual "officer" or "constable"
(or equivalent) in other police forces.
* Mr. Plod, P.C. Plod or Plodder: a British term that arose from the Noddy books by Enid Blyton, in which Mr. Plod was the village policeman.
"Plod" has also commonly been used by the British police themselves, as has its (generally disparaging) female equivalent
"plonk".
* Laws: a term that originated out of Houston Texas
* Old Bill: A term in use in London among other areas, inspiring the television series The Bill. The origin of this nickname is obscure; according
to the Metropolitan Police themselves, there are at least 13 different explanations.
* Pandu Hawaldar: Indian constabulary (and not officers) were recruited mostly from village areas. Pandu Ram was a common name in the villages.
Hawaldar is a police sergeant.
* Peeler: This also comes from Robert Peel (see 'Bobby'; it has largely disappeared in Britain, but is sometimes used in Northern
Ireland.
* Pigs: This term was widespread during the 19th century, disappeared for a while, but reappeared during the early 20th century, and was used
during the 1960s in the underground hippy culture. Oz magazine showed a picture of a pig dressed as a policeman on a front cover. [1]
* Po-po or Po: A term used commonly by North American youth and rap artists. The term most likely is just an abbreviation of the word police. Used
frequently by youths in the UK, due to the influence of American rap artists.
* Po-9: A term originating from "po-po", used mostly in the southern US.
* Penelope's: A slang word for the police term coined by the SF Bay Area rap artist E-40
* Rashers: British slang derived from pigs.
* Rozzers: A British term. Origin unclear; possibly from the Hebrew word "chazer", meaning "pig", or may be a corruption of
Robert Peel.
* Rollers: An American term believed to have originated in the San Francisco Bay Area
* Scuffers: An old British term.
* Scum: Used across Britain, as an insult to say that the police are lower than the criminals.
* Snippers: An African-American term used mostly in North America.
* Soggies: Australian term for officers of the Special Operations Group.
* Sweeney: Cockney rhyming slang for the Flying Squad, from Sweeney Todd, inspiring the television series The Sweeney, (see also Heavy).
* Smokey: A term from the CB Radio fad of the 1970s. See "Bear" above.
* The Thin Blue Line: Used to describe the role of the police in being the barrier between civilized society and anarchy, inspiring a TV series
and a documentary of the same name. This has led to policemen involved in entrapping gays being ironically described as "The Thin Blue
Jeans".
* Wallopers: Mostly Commonwealth usage, from "wallop" meaning to hit or beat.
* Woodentops: British term for uniformed police. Believed to be a reference to the 1950s children's TV series The Woodentops, very rarely in
use.
So from the above I would say Coppers, old bill, Bobbies etc. are ok
Plod - not particularly complementary
Rozzers, Filth etc not acceptable.
I have heard quite a few people using Rozzers but I suspect that few know the actual meaning and few Policemen would appreciate that particular
term.
I actually quite like some of these nicknames as they are quite inventive with being offensive - Fuzz and Bizzies being good examples
Cheers
Mark
I daren't even suggest what I think of the police, here's why.
A couple of years ago my house was raided by North Yorks police. I was away at the time working in China and only heard about this through my friends
phoning me.
I came home to my house wrecked. Anyone who thinks they just look around carefully are totally wrong. They empty your drawers out on the floor, move
and up end furniture, pull up carpets and even managed to damage a ceiling. My home looked like it had been burgled.
They had even spread my girlfriends underwear around obviously done to upset me.
Oh yes my girlfriend was house sitting at the time, she got the rubber glove treatment. She left that night and never came back.
I had an old mondeo I was fixing up for her on the drive. They tried to crowbar the door open, failed so smashed 2 windows to get into it. I ended up
scrapping it because it was now too expensive to repair. The keys for it were clearly marked in my kitchen.
My own car was parked outside but I had the keys with me in China. They left it alone...?
Even though the house was occupied they smashed my door in, hit it hard enough to spit my door frame.
They seized my computers and mobile phone, luckily I'd just had an upgrade so they only got my old one. Also seized were all my car and motorbike
log books and any financial paper work they could find. It took 3 months to get everything back. Had I been self employed they would have ruined
me.
The police never spoke to me, never charged me with anything. They never came back and didn't leave any instructions to tell me what to do.
I had to write to the chief of police asking what was going on and with a list of damage they had done to my property.
Eventually I got a reply from some lawyer acting on their behalf saying any damage done was justified and kept to a minimum and there was no case to
answer.
So the police didn't even have the balls to admit they made a mistake. Leaving me out of pocket unless I sued them which I couldn't afford
to do.
They probably meant to go next door
Seriously. In my experience most rozzers are fine. They apply the rules appropriately and discretely and respect the people that pay for them to do
that job respectfully....
But some (I unfortunately speak from personal experience) are egotistic, thick skulled, knee jerking, penny-pushing, racist, fascists with a complete
lack of knowledge of the law they're supposed to support.
So I agree that, although meant as a slang term of affection, the word "filth" when applied to all policemen and policewomen is rather
unfair.
However, I would go on record saying that there is unfortunately (as would be expected in any job description) a small proportion of police officers
who are complete f#!+wits and actually act as barriers to justice rather than the protectors of it....
quote:
Originally posted by clockwork
Benjamin Franklin (top bloke):
"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. "
quote:
Originally posted by tiffshaw
This one is fairly straight forward.
There are two main bits of legislation that allows officer to search your vehicle when it is in a public place.
Section 1 Police and Criminal Evidence Act to allow searching for stolen goods, weapons and items used to commit thefts/burglaries etc
Section 23 Misuse of Drugs Act to allow officers to search for drugs.
In both cases officers need reasonable grounds to search. These are the officers justification and you do not have to agree with it.
The officer is required to provide you with his grounds and some other information including which station he is from. At the end of the search a stop slip will be produced unless the officer is urgently called away. If you do not receive a stop slip at the time it can be collected from the station at any time in the next 12 months.
Once an officer has established grounds and informed you he is going to search it is an offence (obstruction) to not allow them to search.
As mentioned in a previous post you do have rights under the human rights act which is why the officer is required to justify the search and produce the written record.
quote:
Originally posted by mookaloid
quote:
Originally posted by graememk
so is it against the law to use a speed detection divice ?
Not against the law to use a detector I don't think, but you can get devices which will effectively render the car 'invisible' to laser or radar guns...these are illegal I believe
Cheers
Mark
Hold on ............ i've just read this, let me paraphrase.
I often break the law and would like to fit a device that would enable me to escape prosecution, anyone know if i can do it?
Or as you phrased it, i often "push on" and am grateful when people warn me about police waiting around the corner trying to catch law
breakers. I'd like to fit a jammer so they can't get me.
Mate - no sympathy, hope you get caught!
I'm no angel, i occasionally find myself above the speed limit. There is a stretch near me thats been reduced from 60 to 30 and its tough keeping
the speed down. I've got 3 points due to being caught speeding 3 years ago. BUT ........ i accept when caught and get on with it (ok, I'm
human, i'll moan a lot as well cause i do try to stick to the speed limit and try not to take the p*ss)
By the way, I find someone down the road from me really annoying, i'd like to kill them, anyone know how i can get away with it?
(that is a joke before someone who knows me phones the police / tells my neighbours / fozzie comes back from holiday (hope you had a nice time) and
bans me!)
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Originally posted by PhilCross66
I daren't even suggest what I think of the police, here's why.
A couple of years ago my house was raided by North Yorks police. I was away at the time working in China and only heard about this through my friends phoning me.
I came home to my house wrecked. Anyone who thinks they just look around carefully are totally wrong. They empty your drawers out on the floor, move and up end furniture, pull up carpets and even managed to damage a ceiling. My home looked like it had been burgled.
They had even spread my girlfriends underwear around obviously done to upset me.
Oh yes my girlfriend was house sitting at the time, she got the rubber glove treatment. She left that night and never came back.
I had an old mondeo I was fixing up for her on the drive. They tried to crowbar the door open, failed so smashed 2 windows to get into it. I ended up scrapping it because it was now too expensive to repair. The keys for it were clearly marked in my kitchen.
My own car was parked outside but I had the keys with me in China. They left it alone...?
Even though the house was occupied they smashed my door in, hit it hard enough to spit my door frame.
They seized my computers and mobile phone, luckily I'd just had an upgrade so they only got my old one. Also seized were all my car and motorbike log books and any financial paper work they could find. It took 3 months to get everything back. Had I been self employed they would have ruined me.
The police never spoke to me, never charged me with anything. They never came back and didn't leave any instructions to tell me what to do.
I had to write to the chief of police asking what was going on and with a list of damage they had done to my property.
Eventually I got a reply from some lawyer acting on their behalf saying any damage done was justified and kept to a minimum and there was no case to answer.
So the police didn't even have the balls to admit they made a mistake. Leaving me out of pocket unless I sued them which I couldn't afford to do.
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Originally posted by clockwork
I used to get stopped once/twice a week when I lived in Newquay for the crime of being a young lad in a powerful car (
As per Joels post. As I am aware, if the police don't find anything then they will cough up but if they do find summat, then the cost's all yours.
i dont normally tell people what i do for a living but hey i'm a police officer i love my job and im not a racist or a thug or go out of my way
to annoy/upset people. when i hear stories of folk who have feel victimised by the police it annoys me as it makes them think that we are all the same
and nothing could be further from the truth. people will always hate the police because on the whole the only time they have any dealings with them is
when they are being charged/arrested or if a loved one has passed away both are not good situtions. its because of this that i dont tell many people
what i do i mean you want to try getting a haircut and being asked what you work at half way through it i dont want a swear word shaved into the back
of my head just because of the job i do. oh and farmer palmer if you came up to me when i was on duty and called me filth to my face i would be having
a word in you ear as i have done with people who have made pig grunt noises as they have walked past me and will continue to do. you dont go to your
work and expect abuse so nor do i
ps i do hope now that i have outed myself it wont be held against me
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Originally posted by davie h
its because of this that i dont tell many people what i do
quote:
Originally posted by davie h
i dont normally tell people what i do for a living but hey i'm a police officer i love my job and im not a racist or a thug or go out of my way to annoy/upset people. when i hear stories of folk who have feel victimised by the police it annoys me as it makes them think that we are all the same and nothing could be further from the truth. people will always hate the police because on the whole the only time they have any dealings with them is when they are being charged/arrested or if a loved one has passed away both are not good situtions. its because of this that i dont tell many people what i do i mean you want to try getting a haircut and being asked what you work at half way through it i dont want a swear word shaved into the back of my head just because of the job i do. oh and farmer palmer if you came up to me when i was on duty and called me filth to my face i would be having a word in you ear as i have done with people who have made pig grunt noises as they have walked past me and will continue to do. you dont go to your work and expect abuse so nor do i
ps i do hope now that i have outed myself it wont be held against me
Good to have you around mate
oh and i was a mechanic for 13 years and not everyone likes them either
Are you this bloke farmer palmer?It didn't work for him. We have had a spate of illegal motorbikes around here, minimotos etc. riding on the pavements and scramblers with no registration or helmets racing round the streets and the police have done a good job of culling them, there are still a few left but their days are numbered. I disagree with the principle of this thread asking a hypothetical question and insulting a necessary profession at the same time.
If you're going to be abusive, then at least get it right.
"Filth" refers to the CID, not your ordinary copper, traffic, etc.
And is used by criminals, who have reason to dislike the CID. Best not to use it, unless you want to identify yourself as a member of the criminal
classes
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Originally posted by Macbeast
If you're going to be abusive, then at least get it right.
"Filth" refers to the CID, not your ordinary copper, traffic, etc.
And is used by criminals, who have reason to dislike the CID. Best not to use it, unless you want to identify yourself as a member of the criminal classes
)
I have only ever had good experiences in dealing with the Police. I generally live within the law, live in an area where most others have the same
attitude. i teach my kids the same values. Yes, i have been done for speeding but that was my fault, accepted the fine and got on with life. 2 years
ago was hit by an uninsured driver - the Police couldnt have been more helpful.
They are one team that will never be able to do right by all people. It is a hard job and i have utter respect for them.
As far as trying to evade the law etc - whats the point. We may not agree with all laws but generally they are there for the protection of us all. If
i got stopped then apart from maybe being a day out of tax once a year id have nothing to be worried about so wouldnt object to a search as long as no
damage is done. Im pretty sure they wont want to waste their own time though so surely would need to have a reasonable suspicion.
Unfortunately i feel the wording of the original question was a little leading and leaves the reader being suspicious that the author is trying to
flaunt the law and put others at risk. Maybe this is what has led to some of the comments being posted. regarding the slang - im not in favour.
Calling them Police works in my book, although i do use the term Coppers occasionally.
If you want to know about being stopped by the police, let your wife talk you into buying a BMW Coupe and just watch the Blue lights appear in your
rear view mirror.
Over 2 years I drove over 90,000 miles and never had any problems in my Golf, got the BMW got pulled 4 times and the wife got palled 3 times in about
3months. Only one time did they give me a reason for why which was 34mph in a 30 zone. Funny thing is my Speedo said 30.
I’m selling the car at the moment.