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focijohn - 28/3/09 at 06:56 PM

views and opinions. i'm looking for a laptop and would like to know what people think mac or windows?

cheers

john


mads - 28/3/09 at 06:58 PM

Just bought a macbook and am very happy with it. the fuctionality and ease is so much better than windows. And it looks a lot swisher!

only downfall is the price and slight lack of upgradability (is this a word?) but hey ho I dont expect to upgrade it until it breaks.

People will ask what your plan of use is so might want to put that down.


focijohn - 28/3/09 at 07:01 PM

no taxing programmes, i.e photo editing and vidoe editing. just general interneting and office related things


scudderfish - 28/3/09 at 07:11 PM

Get a Mac and you can use both OSX and Windows with either Boot Camp or something like Parallels Virtual Desktop


chrsgrain - 28/3/09 at 07:12 PM

I, like most Mac users, would never use a PC again by choice.

I switched about 4 years ago, and was a bit concerned about it, but I was won over in about 10 minutes - it makes ordinary computing stuff enjoyable and no longer a battle against viruses, unstable OS and rubbish compatiability problems.....

Having said that - its expensive, no two ways about it! The sneaky thing to do is to buy a little notebook computer and load Leopard onto it...

Chris


mads - 28/3/09 at 07:12 PM

not tried the photo or video programs on it yet but they do look good. maybe not as hi-tech as photoshop but then they are a lot cheaper in the sense they come with the mac.


Keith Weiland - 28/3/09 at 07:14 PM

If you can afford it then go with the Mac. I personally think for laptops the only way to go is Linux.


focijohn - 28/3/09 at 07:17 PM

i agree with the price 700 upward


mads - 28/3/09 at 07:21 PM

are you or do you know anyone who is a student or working for NHS? both these groups get discounts. I saved almost £600.


Benzine - 28/3/09 at 07:54 PM




quote:
Originally posted by mads

only downfall is the price and slight lack of upgradability (is this a word?) but hey ho I dont expect to upgrade it until it breaks.





cadebytiger - 28/3/09 at 09:01 PM

been a happy mac owner for a few years now. PCs have their upsides. They run office better and have more games available for them but if you a mac will run windows in parallel and thus eliminate any office issues and i guess if you are looking for a laptop you are not bothered about gaming.

Macs are simple, as logical as computer gets and look the dogs.

if you have the mular go mac


Hellfire - 28/3/09 at 09:08 PM

Video and Photo Editing are some of THE most CPU intensive things to do on a Computer. No offence meant but it sounds like you dont have much experience with Computers therefore you wont be messing about with the parts/network/upgrading bits - therefore I would bite the bullet and go MAC.

Even though it's miles away from any sort of standard they are the best for Video Editing by a long way - you can get the high end Video and Photo Editing stuff for MAC as well as Windoze - such as Adobe Premier and Photoshop CS4 so you'll be in a better league than us PC users... but then you pay for the priveledge.

Me - I'll stick with my (finally dual booted - Ubuntu) and Windows. Ubuntu is very much quicker than Windows but it a bit agricultural looking but if it does the job (which it certainly does very well) then I'm happy with it.

If I'd got the thick end of 1000 quid for a MAC - I'd go that way (aswell as having a PC with Windows!)

Steve


peteday_uk@btinternet.com - 28/3/09 at 10:39 PM

I agree go with a mac, i have had one now for four years (the same one) it's as good today as it was when i bought it. No problems it just works, never had it crash. I used to do a fair amount of video editing and whilst the basic photo and video software are very good I wanted something better. I got hold of an adobe premier package, this was designed for windows. I found this very complicated to use. I then bought Final cut studio which was whilst as good if not better than the adobe software, it;s just very logical and easy to navigate. And I guess that's my point everything about a mac is very logical and easy to navigate.

Buy one, you won't be disappointed.

Pete


Ninehigh - 28/3/09 at 11:16 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Keith Weiland
If you can afford it then go with the Mac. I personally think for laptops the only way to go is Linux.


Until it goes into hibernate mode, then it refuses to wake up or boot again...

The macbook air is about £750, the laptop I'm using now (and probably similar spec too they never show it anymore) was £300


iscmatt - 28/3/09 at 11:36 PM

I changed to a macbook a year and half ago, i'm sure i wont ever be going back, everything is soo quick and responsive that when i use a pc i get very frustrated at how slow they are.

I use mine for uni, internet, photos, music, making the odd video. Battery lasts for ages too which is great.

And to add i upgraded my RAM from 1Gb to 4Gb for £50 from crucial (may be a different price now) so you can upgrade some things

you just cant go wrong with a mac, if you can afford it get it!


focijohn - 29/3/09 at 12:13 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Hellfire
No offence meant but it sounds like you dont have much experience with Computers therefore you wont be messing about with the parts/network/upgrading bits - therefore I would bite the bullet and go MAC.
Steve


Non taken, id be the first to admit that I understand them to the point that i could have a chat about them with people but thats about it. I used to understand them but the rate that i would have upgarade is mad. The only things I use my PC for now is colege work and internet.
Bought a 360 for games as i was getting pi**ed off with how much i would have to upgrade my PC to cope with new games comming out. Is there much difference between the desktop and MacBook.

Sorry for repeating myself cpt stella is in charge.

John

[Edited on 29/3/09 by focijohn]


craig1410 - 29/3/09 at 01:22 AM

Hi,

I switched to a Mac 18 months ago and will never look back. I'm an IT consultant and endure PC's in the office but it is such a pleasure to come home to my Mac. The beauty is that you can take advantage of the usability when you want, you can take advantage of the sophisticated unix underpinnings when you want or you can revert to windows when you want. It's the best of all worlds.

Yes, the price is higher than a £300 Tesco laptop but you get so much more for your money. The best bit is that you can expect your Mac to be upgradeable to the latest operating system software for years to come without having to upgrade the hardware - unlike Vista.

My advice to keep costs down is to buy a refurbished machine. You can save 20% and still get the same warranty and support. Quite literally the only difference is that is arrives in a plain box.

Hope this helps,
Craig.


Ninehigh - 29/3/09 at 01:26 AM

quote:
Originally posted by craig1410
Yes, the price is higher than a £300 Tesco laptop but you get so much more for your money.


Hey mine's not Tesco, it's Compaq!

What is the spec of a bog-standard Mac? Also could I access the mp3 and pictures on my network server?


Staple balls - 29/3/09 at 01:58 AM

quote:
Originally posted by craig1410
Yes, the price is higher than a £300 Tesco laptop but you get so much more for your money. The best bit is that you can expect your Mac to be upgradeable to the latest operating system software for years to come without having to upgrade the hardware - unlike Vista.

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Sorry, I have to call you on that.

Vista, yes, not great to start with, some performance issues caused by Intel pressuring MS.

However, Vista is quite acceptable now, performance is generally fine apart from on very old machines, anything of a reasonable spec these days will handle it fine.

Of course, the next windows OS (windows 7) isn't that far away, and performs extremely well on everything I've chucked it at (including ~5 year old machines that I keep as test platforms)


Personally. I think Macs are great for some people, but only if you have the money, and get on with the OS, I found it about as intuitive as programming a russian VCR.

I'll stick to windows, where you only have to pay for the computer, not the logo on the back.

There's also the issue that your standard mac laptop is about twice the price of a better specced windows laptop.

Just noticed games were mentioned too, pretty much a no-go on a mac, until you install windows anyway (this is a special apple feature ), also not so good on most laptops (crappy integrated graphics are crappy).

Also, apple have skimped a bit too far on build quality recently, I've seen a fair few of their recent laptops looking like they've been through the microwave, so while their build quality was previously attractive to me, I feel its dropped to such a point that I'm better off with a PC.

Probably worth mentioning that I'm not a mac/apple hater, but someone who's tried hard to get along with their products and failed.

I'm just not gonna praise apple for making hardware that bulges at the seams, with batteries you can't replace, and a strange habit of deleting posts about problems on their forums, rather than responding to the issues on their closed platform.

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craig1410 - 29/3/09 at 02:39 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Staple balls
Sorry, I have to call you on that.

Vista, yes, not great to start with, some performance issues caused by Intel pressuring MS.


No sh1t!

quote:

However, Vista is quite acceptable now, performance is generally fine apart from on very old machines, anything of a reasonable spec these days will handle it fine.


That'll be why there has been such a surge in Vista uptake in the last 2 years...not!

I'm running Leopard (Mac OS X 10.5) on a 5 year old iBook and it runs sweet as a nut. Try that on a 5 year old Tesco laptop on Vista...

quote:

Of course, the next windows OS (windows 7) isn't that far away, and performs extremely well on everything I've chucked it at (including ~5 year old machines that I keep as test platforms)



It's a shame that Windows 7 isn't released yet and as far as I understand you won't be able to upgrade the beta to the release version if you go to W7 early.

quote:


Just noticed games were mentioned too, pretty much a no-go on a mac, until you install windows anyway (this is a special apple feature ), also not so good on most laptops (crappy integrated graphics are crappy).




Geez, keep up at the back - I've been running Call Of Duty 4 on my Mac (not in bootcamp) and it runs brilliantly at high resolution. What you say may have been true 5 years ago but modern Mac's have pretty decent GPU's even in laptops.

quote:

Also, apple have skimped a bit too far on build quality recently, I've seen a fair few of their recent laptops looking like they've been through the microwave, so while their build quality was previously attractive to me, I feel its dropped to such a point that I'm better off with a PC.



That will be why they still regularly top the charts for reliability and why it makes the headlines when another vendor gets close or occasionally pips them at the post as happened recently. Compare them with Dell and HP and see who comes out top time after time!!

Cheers,
Craig.


[Edited on 29/3/2009 by craig1410]


Staple balls - 29/3/09 at 03:19 AM

quote:
That'll be why there has been such a surge in Vista uptake in the last 2 years...not!


I suspect a great deal of that was more related to people not actually needing new machines, or wanting to upgrade from XP.

Certainly every machine I've built in the last 2 years for standard users has been due to a hardware failure, rather than the "my computer's too slow, give me a new one" that was happening on ME era machines.

quote:
I'm running Leopard (Mac OS X 10.5) on a 5 year old iBook and it runs sweet as a nut. Try that on a 5 year old Tesco laptop on Vista...


Granted, OSX does have that, but at £100-odd for what's in OS terms, a pretty minor upgrade, I'm not convinced.

Given your average 5 year old laptop will already have XP on, there's little need to upgrade at all, if it's setup right, it'll just go forever.

quote:
It's a shame that Windows 7 isn't released yet and as far as I understand you won't be able to upgrade the beta to the release version if you go to W7 early


This is true, but nonetheless, I feel that W7 is worth mentioning, as IME it's a very, very good OS, Certainly well ahead of where XP and Vista were during beta.

quote:
Geez, keep up at the back - I've been running Call Of Duty 4 on my Mac (not in bootcamp) and it runs brilliantly at high resolution. What you say may have been true 5 years ago but modern Mac's have pretty decent GPU's even in laptops.


CoD games have all worked on macs, along with a few other select games, but you can't really compare it to windows for available games, mainly because most devs use DirectX over OGL these days, just because DirectX is far more up to date, and the standard graphics card manfs. build to.

Yes, the game situation for macs is better than it used to be, but nonetheless, if you're remotely into gaming, you're gonna end up with windows somehow, especially if you want to use any of the online distribution platforms worth mentioning (that'd be steam )

Also, I don't dispute the fact that the GPUs in laptops can be pretty decent, the base level GPU for a mac is a GF 9400m, which will play some games well enough, but I'd really not expect it to break any records, I certainly wouldn't expect it to play CoD4 on what I'd consider acceptable settings well.

My laptop runs on an ATI 3470 (pretty much equal to a 9400m all said and done) and while it's capable of gaming, it's not a great experience due to the fairly poor performance.

(spot my specialist subject )

quote:
That will be why they still regularly top the charts for reliability and why it makes the headlines when another vendor gets close or occasionally pips them at the post as happened recently. Compare them with Dell and HP and see who comes out top time after time!!


This is true.

However, if I'd paid £600+ for a mac, and it started bulging at the seams, I'd be pissed off.

But, if I paid £300 for something the same spec as a mac, but it creaked a bit. I'd be fairly happy.


Really is a matter of what you want from a machine, and your money. I'll take the cheap laptops and the nicer tyres.


JC - 29/3/09 at 08:23 AM

hi, Ive used Macs for years, they are great. Nowadays you can always dual boot them with windows as well.

The best/cheapest way to buy is via the apple store refurbished site. Posted at about 10 each day, as new with full warranty but a decent saving. Mine arrived last christmas eve, 22hrs after ordering!!!

[Edited on 29/3/09 by JC]


Schrodinger - 29/3/09 at 11:33 AM

quote:
Originally posted by JC
hi, Ive used Macs for years, they are great. Nowadays you can always dual boot them with windows as well.

[Edited on 29/3/09 by JC]


Please explain why all Mac users seem to credit the Mac with such status and then go on to say "it can run windows to do this or that" why can't it run the software under it's own operating system answer because the developers don't write it for whatever reason and arn't Macs now supplied with Intelprocessors?


JC - 29/3/09 at 03:11 PM

Quite simple, most PC users who are thinking of converting to a Mac seem to take comfort from the fact that 'favourite piece of software X' (windows only) will still be available to them. Neither my iMac nor my Macbook have Bootcamp installed, which is available because they now have intel chips. Apple still only have a 10% market share so it is not surprising that some software developers don't code for OSX, there is usually an equivalent of some sort available though. For compatibility, iWork saves/loads MS Office formats, or surprisingly, I find MS Office for Mac much better than the PC equivalent!

[Edited on 29/3/09 by JC]


Ninehigh - 29/3/09 at 05:33 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Schrodinger
why can't it run the software under it's own operating system answer because the developers don't write it for whatever reason


Windows is the dominating platform by force of Microsoft and IBM, if you're not writing software for the dominating platform you're doomed. That's why most new consoles don't come with loads of games because you need to sell the console before it's worth writing them.


geoff shep - 31/3/09 at 06:41 AM

Really, if you just want to do the things you say (internet and office) then either will be fine.

I have recently bought a macbook, because I do quite a bit on computer and I already have an imac. They both can run windows if necessary for windows-only software but I dont use windows much now. But they are more expensive.

Girlfriend got an Acer laptop recently and it's fine. Had no problems with Vista - it's not quite as simple as a macbook (once you understand mac-isms) and not as stylish. Girl at work has just bought an Acer 5735 at Tesco. It is very stylish, proper widescreen and good spec - and half the price. Not the fastest processor but a good screen and a big hard drive and it looks great. Link below but it's also available in store (at the same price).

http://direct.tesco.com/q/R.200-3481.aspx


MikeRJ - 31/3/09 at 09:23 AM

quote:
Originally posted by JC
hi, Ive used Macs for years, they are great. Nowadays you can always dual boot them with windows as well.



Nowadays you can get a Windows Laptop to run OSX if you know what you are doing...