(tongue firmly in cheek
)
Anyone got any idea whats up with the Haynes Forum.
I havent been able to get on for 24hrs just get something about it being closed for essential maintenance.
Has someone from here put a spanner in there server after the banter from the last couple of days !!!! :-)
i think they are doing some essential maintinance
(tongue firmly in cheek )
There was a malicious attack so it was pulled down to stop further damage.
Coincidence?
I have never figured out how say something like a malicious attack or DOS attack could damage the server or software etc. I would like it explained
to me in words with simple phrases for a thicky?
Adrian
[Edited on 24-7-09 by AdrianH]
it wasn't a DOS attack, it was someone deleting hundreds of posts at a time. I was watching and recording the Post count, it went down about 300
posts per hour. Someone was logged in as an admin, luckily someone on the forum managed to get hold of Chris, he then got hold of haynes and they
pulled the plug.
Very sad individual to have done that. But I am sure there is a good back up to restore it
As for how a DOS attack works, think about you posting a letter in a letterbox. its easy. Thats like viewing a website. Now imagine if some idiot decided to get 500 of his mates to post letters in the same letterbox at the same time. You (and everyone else) can't even see the letterbox. is that layman terms enough?
Oh OK I understand what you mean by malicious, so someone must have left a default password in there I guess?
Makes you wonder why people do that sort of thing, write viruses etc all.
Anyway hope it is back soon, and life returns to normal for all.
The internet is big enough for plenty of choice
Adrian
Yes I guess on the DOS bit, I allways assumed that the server spends so much time serving ping requests that there is little processor time or
bandwidth time left to do anything else, but still never figured how it would bring down servers, as when the DOS stops it should be there ready to
resume.
[Edited on 24-7-09 by AdrianH]
So I was almost right, ChrisW was wielding his keyboard not a spanner !!!!!
Is it tooo recent to jest ?
[Edited on 24/7/09 by Sam]
quote:
Originally posted by Sam
So I was almost right, ChrisW was wielding his keyboard not a spanner !!!!!
Is it tooo recent to jest ?
[Edited on 24/7/09 by Sam]
quote:
Originally posted by bonzoronnie
Have fun with your build folks
Tell me about it
Just spent a very hard month getting my chassis to the rolling stage.
Never would have managed it without forum help.
u2u Ronnie
quote:
Originally posted by balidey
There was a malicious attack so it was pulled down to stop further damage.
Coincidence?
All I've got to say on this subject is...
Couldn't have happened to a nicer bloke.
Chris
with all due respect ChrisW,
the fact that the Haynes forum is down for what ever reason ( i,m useless with computers & don,t understand how they work),
its not only Chris G its affecting, but lots of members of that forum who rely on the site to help them with their build.
again, said with all respect ......venting your opinion in such a manner IMO is both surprising & not called for,
your words " Couldn,t have happened to a nicer bloke"
is short sighted as like i,ve said, its affecting other members of the Haynes forum too, some of which are also members of this forum too.
i am in no way questioning what the personal situation between you & Chris but feel this is uncalled for.
andy
[Edited on 25/7/09 by handyandy]
Agree fully with Andy,
even though there is ill feeling between ChrisG and ChrisW , a response like that i would expect from my 5 year old son.
With all due respect in return, Andy, you've been here very little time, and probably not had a 'ChrisG' incident before.
I've put up with his crap for 8 years, both posting under his own username and other names which he somehow thinks I'm stupid enough to not
find out about. 'Lord Charles' is one that springs to mind, but there have been plenty over the years.
I've heard various theories as to why the forums went down, from a hack attempt to legal action over some part of the design. Whatever the truth
is, all I can do is shrug and think 'he had it coming'.
This forum was perfectly adequate for the Roadster builders before Chris came along and wanted a slice of the action, and I'm sure it will
continue to be now it's gone.
Cheers, Chris
Thankyou for your reply ChrisW.
whilst yes i acknowledge your comments that i haven,t been here very long but IMO doesnt stop me from having an opinion of the "current
situation".
As i stated in my earlier post i am in no way questioning the personal conflict between yourself & Chris G but may i say that your post with the
picture of a " care o meter" showing zero brought to me the opinion that you have no regard to how the fact that the Haynes forum is down
affects the members of that site in relation to that it is a very important part of a "Roadster builders" source of help &
information.
I,m sorry ChrisW but i feel that the way you have viewed your opinions on the "public forum" ( even tho you are the owner of this site) only
creates a lesser opinion of YOU by members of this Forum, which i feel is a fair assumption with the way the situation has been handled publicly.
The fact that i,m building a Roadster should hopefully not create a negative opinion from you about me , but that is the way i am starting to feel,
& maybe others may also feel the same way, tho i cannot & will not speak on behalf of any other Roadster builders personal opinion.
regards
andy
[Edited on 25/7/09 by handyandy]
Andy
Again with all due respect to you, it's mainly the old Roadster users that seem to have a negative opinon. I was at a show last weekend with a
lot of older users, (in terms of how long they've been here, not necessarily their age!) all of whom said it was a suprise it's taken this
long. I've also had countless u2u's from users showing their support. What you don't see behind the scenes is that the people that do
approve keep their mouths shut in public, unlike those that don't, in the true style of Gibbs himself.
I'm not at all suprised you had an opinion after some of the comments posted by you in the last week both here and on the other forum.
Weren't you one of the people saying you'd never post here again? Yet as soon as Haynes is gone, you're back? To me, all that says is
that all was intended to make a point, with no real intention of sticking to it for the long term.
My opinion above still stands. If you, and a handful of other Gibbs sympathisers think it's the wrong attitude to have, then quite frankly,
I'm arrogant enough not to care.
Cheers, Chris
[Edited on 7/25/2009 by ChrisW]
quote:
Originally posted by handyandy.....I,m sorry ChrisW but i feel that the way you have viewed your opinions on the "public forum" ( even tho you are the owner of this site) only creates a lesser opinion of YOU by members of this Forum, which i feel is a fair assumption with the way the situation has been handled publicly...........[Edited on 25/7/09 by handyandy]
quote:
Originally posted by handyandy
its not only Chris G its affecting, but lots of members of that forum who rely on the site to help them with their build.
ChrisW,
i don,t recall saying that i wouldn,t post on here again, yes i vented my opinions with regard how discussions were being posted & feel i had the
right to do so, as did alot of members who are not building a Roadster.
again not wishing to question any personal conflict between members, but the words that you are now implying that you don,t care about me as a member
i do take personally & feel that this is unjust as you & i have never had any cross words, would you agree with that?
i find the last post you made to be both arrogant & rude towards me as a member.
very surprised that this discussion has taken a personal view from you to me , a member that enjoys building my car & enjoys the usual "warm
" atmosphere from the members of this forum.
very dissapointed .
regards
andy
where i say "your last post", as you have posted another, i mean the one on the second page, sorry don,t know how to link the two. i,m slow
at typing.
[Edited on 25/7/09 by handyandy]
quote:
Originally posted by ChrisW
, because Gibbs will try his hardest to retain that small number of users he's managed to convert.
Chris
quote:
Originally posted by balidey
Convert to me sounds like we have to be one or the other. Either a locostbuilder or a roadsterbuilder. How horrible it would be to have to choose one or the other. Thats why I want to be a member on both forums (plus many others too) which is why I felt it was rather sad to see the bikering of the past few days and then the malicious attack on the haynes forum.
Surely we are all adult enough to not have to take sides
quote:
Originally posted by handyandy
ChrisW,
i don,t recall saying that i wouldn,t post on here again, yes i vented my opinions with regard how discussions were being posted & feel i had the right to do so, as did alot of members who are not building a Roadster.
again not wishing to question any personal conflict between members, but the words that you are now implying that you don,t care about me as a member i do take personally & feel that this is unjust as you & i have never had any cross words, would you agree with that?
i find the last post you made to be both arrogant & rude towards me as a member.
very surprised that this discussion has taken a personal view from you to me , a member that enjoys building my car & enjoys the usual "warm " atmosphere from the members of this forum.
very dissapointed .
regards
andy
where i say "your last post", as you have posted another, i mean the one on the second page, sorry don,t know how to link the two. i,m slow at typing.
[Edited on 25/7/09 by handyandy]
Sad times indeed.
It would definately seem that a them and us attitude is being propogated
Talking of the Haynes forum in the past tense, speaks volumes to me.
It is no surprise that Haynes have pulled the plug
After all, the whole of the Haynes.co.uk site was down for a while
I have to agree with ChrisW.
If Haynes wanted to, the forum would be up and running again.
Personally I am fearing the worst & suspect that Haynes will no longer be willing to host the " Roadster Forum "
Really, who could blame them, who needs publicty like that.
ChrisW has made it crystal clear in his recent personal comments, any loyal Roadster forum members are not really welcome on the LB forum.
I met a great bunch of Roadster builders at Stoneleigh this year.
Furthermore I had a very warm wecome extended to me by all of the people that I met on the Locost stand.
This should be the way of things
Let the petty bickering stay in the house of commons 
On a brighter note.
I am sure a " Roadster forum " of sorts, will arise from the ashes.
Even if it means an old fossil like me going to night school to learn how to do it.
I really do wish that this thread would quieten down........
If it was Haynes who pulled the plug on the fourm, it just 'may' be that their own forum rules were indeed breached by the posts started by
chrisg the admin of their forum......that would hardly be the fault of LB......
As far as I can tell, there is no 'them and us' here at all, ChrisW was, as far as I can tell referring to a thread or 2 on the Haynes,
where a few did say that they wouldn't post on here anymore.......and one or 2 did say that they didn't post, they only used the information
from this (LB) site....
As we cannot now link to those threads it is impossible to say who exactly the posters were....on Haynes.
(Handyandy..Chris was asking you a question )
This forum is not marque specific, so there is, and always has, been room for all.
We only ask that the (few) rules are adhered to.
Those that have signed up since May 2007 will know that during the verification process terms and conditions were agreed to.
One of those few rules is 'No flaming'......
For those who signed up prior to that, know about that rule, it has been covered many, many times.
Now..time to chill and put a lid on this.
All the above is IMHO.
Fozzie
Well said, Fozzie. As you have rightly pointed out, I was poking fun at those that said they would no longer post here. I can't now, for
obvious reasons, go back and see who it was. Andy, if you say you didn't, of course I'll take your word for it.
Note that I said 'poking fun'. Nobody will ever be excluded from here unless they show they can't play by the rules.
Also as stated, all are welcome here, whether they're building a 'book' locost, a 'book' roadster, or indeed *any* kind of
car. I, for example, am working on my Escort mk3 this afternoon. The topics of conversation can be related to any kind of car build, which is IMHO
what the site is all about. A bunch of motor enthusiasts getting together to share hints, tips and a bit of banter.
Now, in the interests of letting this thread die, this will be my last post on the subject.
Cheers, Chris
[Edited on 7/25/2009 by ChrisW]
I certainly agree with you there Fozzie.
If memory serves me right wasn't it ChrisW, who posted the following comments in the " Bye bye Locost thread "
Quote
________________________
I'll make one reply to this issue, and one reply only. The facts are as follows.
Chris has been a pain in the backside since day 1 of this site. I've lost track of the number of times he's been warned in the past, and in
fact I'm sure he's been banned at least once, most likely more, in previous years and subsequently let back on the promise of behaving
himself.
Every time something gets changed on the site, I see the same name popping up stirring up trouble. Maybe it's a coincidence that he's got a
clone site on a similar subject. I use the word clone purposely, as right down to the forum headings it bears a striking resemblance.
I've even put up with his blantant plugs for his own site in his signature as I feel the volume of users and wealth of information here shines
through.
In a strikingly common way, Chris has been stirring up trouble since the non-Contributor restrictions were brought in at the weekend. He was asked to
stop, yet instead of doing so, he posted again trying to stir up trouble.
This is by no means an isolated event, and not down to any one post, topic, or reply.
He was banned from posting earlier, and left with the lifeline of u2u capabilities in the hope that he would contact me regarding the situation.
Instead of doing so, his avatar was changed, and the u2u function was instead used to try to stir up more trouble in an attempt to get users to move
across. His signature was also changed to a sarcastic message to do the same.
This latest series of events are the final, final straw and hence he has been banned. I've given in before and let him back, but it has been
proved time and time again that his sole intention is to stir up trouble and waste time for both Fozzie and myself, which we should be spending on
more productive tasks, and in turn causes a negative effect for all other users of the forum.
In short, Chris feels he is in some way superior to everyone else, and can say and do what he wants. Whether this is in some way related to his
position on the Haynes site is for you to decide. However, it is my decision that his behaviour will not be tolerated any more on this site, and that
is my final word on the subject.
Cheers, Chris
Unquote
_____________________
Fozzie you talked of double standards earlier.
Why has ChrisW decided to resurrect a dying topic this afternoon & started the whole thing going again
I had ChrisW down as arrogant but not stupid
Let it go chaps, what will be, will be
Edit
Quote Fozzie
" If it was Haynes who pulled the plug on the fourm, it just 'may' be that their own forum rules were indeed breached by the posts
started by chrisg the admin of their forum......that would hardly be the fault of LB...... "
Is that not flaming ??!!
[Edited on 25/7/09 by bonzoronnie]
Errrrm no 'Ronnie, 'ifs' 'buts' and 'maybes' is not flaming.....but parts of your post are....
However.....I had a lovely drive this afternoon, blew some cobwebs away......
and now, I am closing this thread........
Fozzie