HERE
You'll need to download Azureus first so you can open the torrents.
If anyone asks you didn't hear it from me, right?
Pete
Where's the cheapest place to get just ordinary Mandrake Linux 10.1 on 3 cds???
Adam
Iv found this place:
http://www.linuxworld.co.uk/product_info.php/cPath/21/products_id/50
Adam
Do you not want to download it...free! DOesnt get much cheaper than that.
http://www.mandrivalinux.com/en/ftp.php3
If you're not worried about it being illegal, you can get it...
HERE
You'll need to download Azureus first so you can open the torrents.
If anyone asks you didn't hear it from me, right?
Pete
Beat me to it Flak 
Pete
[Edited on 19/4/05 by scoobyis2cool]
quote:
Originally posted by scoobyis2cool
Beat me to it Flak
Pete
Try this place
BudgetLinuxCDs
It's priced in US dollars, but it's a European company - French, I think. $2.15 per disk, plus a pittance for postage. Always delivered
within a day or so, without fail.
BTW: It's now called Mandriva 2005 Limited Edition - they're trying to emulate Bill Gates, I think.
Also - check out:
Ubuntu
They'll send you a set of official disks FREE - but it takes 2 or 3 weeks. (Or you can download for free, or buy disks from the company
above).
Ubuntu is far more solid and reliable than Mandrake, is better tested and has far fewer bugs (it's based on Debian). They also give you a
"Live" disk, which you can put in your CD drive at start-up. This runs without affecting your current installation, so you can see if you
like it. If you do, you can install the other disk and install properly.
cheers,
David
Wow! Quick service eh.
I dont want to download it as A. The school is the most anti-linux place on earth, so im not sure if they would like me downloading it there, and at
home my download limit is getting quite close.
The reason i thought of mandrake was because it comes with apache & mysql as standard, and because it was just about the only Linux system I had
heard of. How does Ubuntu compare??
Adam
Adam
Unsure about Ubuntu and Apache & MySQL - I'll try and find out tonight.
David
Ok, thanks David.
Im trying to set up a web/mail server on my dads old PC. 
Adam
A quick answer! I just did a search on the Ubuntu website - Apache and mySQL don't come on the disks, but can be downloaded really easily.
For example:
CLICKY
David
Thanks again David (you cant get as much help as this on a Linux forum??). What should i go for??
I highly doubt downloading Mandrake is "Illegal". Any Linux distro worth its salt will provide a download for free. If you're on
Dial-Up, there are several places that will charge you for media and shipping (about 5 dollars) for a full distro.
I, personally, use Debian, and only ever install the base install from CD, then download everything else I need with their wonderful package manager
(APT)
Just read that Mandrake put it on P2P programs and torrent to make it quicker and easier to download.
Adam
I didn't realise it was free, assumed you'd have to pay for it. In that case ignore the illegal comment
Pete
Just confirmed a few things with my friendly office Linux guru...
Ubuntu is perfect if you just want a Linux replacement for Windows - free, easy to install, comes with just the bits you need so you don't get
confused by too many choices. You can add stuff as and when you need it.
For mucking around with servers etc Mandrake (whatever their name is now - I've forgotten already) is as good as any.
David
Thanks guys, anything else i should know??
Adam
For a server you need something Debian Linux based.
I ran Ubuntu for 3 months last version "Hoary Hedgehog" but I have loaded the latest "Warty"and didn't see many changes
Ubuntu is very stable will eventually be the best Linux but at the moment unless you really know Debian inside out and prepared to do a lot of work
to configure it Unbuntu really is only useable as a desktop system.
I replaced it with the latest version of Mepis (again Debian based so very stable) and have it running very nicely as an FTP and MySQL server with
Knoda as a client, it is much more complete out of the box than Ubuntu --- Clamav and Spamassin filtering are ready setup and Guarddog firewall is
installed. All software installs/update are handled by Synaptic via the web from Debian sources.
The Mepis install live CD runs very slowly but once installed to hard disk it is fine although it starts a lot of services such as Apache2 web
server that aren't needed.
Mepis can be down load to a single Cd from
http://mepis.org/
Mandrake and Unbuntu CDs can be bought here
http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/
[Edited on 19/4/05 by britishtrident]
[Edited on 19/4/05 by britishtrident]
So mandrake isnt too good for a web server??
Adam
My experience with Mandrake was if I tried to install anything that wasn't on the Mandrake Cds it would run into major dependancy problems even
if the packages were Mandrake RPMs.
Debian and its offshoots don't have that problem as Debian packagemanagement is the best --- provided it has a broadband connection.
I also found Mandrake very slow compared to other distros but it has good points the Mandrake installation disk partition tool "Diskdrake"
is the best in the business.
hmm, what to do then??
Mepis screen cap showing some the better stuff
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I got mandrake 10.1 on 4 cd's for £3 from ebay. It wasn't worth downloading and burning at that price but I'm still not sure about installing it. I've got a PIII 450 spare that I use for messing about and I'm thinking of putting it on that but it's got a tv & graphics combined card in and I don't think the drivers will be available for it. I have an old ATI card I could put in it to try it out though.
Most older combined TV Tuner video cards have an BTC tuner and ATi video are available for by Linux but they can be difficult to get the tuner
working.
3d support can be problematic because they firmly stick to a GPL license most distro don't come with built in drivers that support full 3d
acceleration with Ati and Nvida chipset --- but drivers are available for download from Ati and Nvida but have to be compiled are not easy diffcult
to install. Other graphics chips such as SIS are well supported
Interesting some Linux distro are not so commited to open source ideals come with full Nvida and Ati driver support (Mepis being one example).
Ive requested CDs from Ubuntu, because im in no hurry. I will also download mepis and see which one I prefere
Don't be put off by the 'orrible colour scheme when you start up Ubuntu - it's all configurable!
(Assorted shades of brown...)
David
Good, although I hope I wont have to look at it to often!
Adam
Ok, im downloading SimplyMepis 2004, is this the right one?? And its downloading at nearly 200kb/s!!
Adam
I've just burnt the Mepis iso to cd and I'll have a look at it this weekend, probably Sunday. 685 meg, I used freshdownload and did it in 3
separate sessions when we weren't doing anything else so it wasn't too bad. I've just looked at the file still on my desktop and it
says Simplymepis 3.3. iso. It looks alright on the cd, just had a read at the folders.
[Edited on 21/4/05 by Peteff]
There was 3.3 aswell as 2003 and 2004 here: ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/metalab/distributions/mepis/released/
So i suppose I downloaded the right one.
Adam
I have a pile of official Unbuntu Hoary hedge hog ! cds if you want one but it is really a bit basic, While Mepis is pretty similar as both are
Debian based but Mepis has had a bit more development time put into getting all the bits to work together.
In a year or so I think Ubuntu will be the best Linux by a country mile.
For burning bootable Linux Cds on Windows I use "Burnatonce" as Nero can be very picky about file extension when burning bootable Cds.
Burnatonce is much simpler to use just a single click http://www.burnatonce.com/
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iv got XP so I can just copy and paste it onto the CD.
Adam
quote:
Originally posted by phelpsa
iv got XP so I can just copy and paste it onto the CD.
Adam
I'm surprised that noone's mentioned Fedora It's Redhat's community version. I've used it
a number of times and administer a commercial webserver for a small hosting company. I've used Mandrake 9.2 and 10 and they were fine too, but I
preferred Fedora. I've recently begun experimenting with a Debian box.
I've an email server running here at home that runs Fedora with Apache, MySQL, PostGreSQL, PHP, sendmail etc. It runs 24x7 in my garage and also
enables me to check my email remotely over the web (via SquirrelMail). Also, any computer in the house that connects can see the same email (i.e. the
emails are not stored in Outlook Express on one machine) and can be viewed over Linux/Windows/Outlook/Thunderbird/KMail whatever.
All of these distributions have been downloaded for zilch, usually over BitTorrent. The free distributions prefer this method of distribution as it
saves them expensive bandwidth. When you've a 1MB link, BitTorrent makes these downloads rip. Most impressive.
Fedora uses the anaconda graphical installer which is quite nice if you've been brought up on Windows.
Cheers,
Neil.
I think you'll need to create an iso cd as BT says Adam. Nero does it easily enough, you just have to identify the file as an Image file in the file types drop down menu
Ok, i have installed burnatonce, and written it to the disc, and in the weekend I will get the old PC down from the Attic! Thanks for all your advice,
I never new Pete could be so helpful
Adam
Hi
Mangogroove asked me about this earlier and gave me his logon to answer things.
1. I have Mandrake 10.1 Powerpack on DVD. I can make a copy or two and MG will take care of the postage.
2. Also have SuSE 9.3 on CD's, anyone interested?
3. Agree about Debian but Deb itself is a bit of a pig to install and the variants all run an X server. Not something I'd recommend on a
server.
4. Personally, I've used Clarkconnect for about 4 1/2 years as a Gateway and never had any problems.
Let MG know if you need anything.
Sandy (aka The Penguinista)
Unfortunately the machine I want to install it on doesnt have a DVD drive, but what is SUSE like??
Adam
SuSE is to some extent a bit like Redhat/Fedora. A big complete package. I was giving it a try on the laptop but it still has problems (like many
distributions) with a lot of wireless cards (802.11g ones anyway for the techies).
It has good hardware detection and a great management system (YaST) which works via the command line as well as via a GUI. Great if you want to SSH
in.
I've thought about setting up a mail server myself a couple of times but always end up saying "let someone else take care of all the
crap". Why bother with all the DNS c*** when other people (who are better at it) can do it for us? There's always the fact tht not al
ISP's wil allow you to run a mail server as well.
Most ISP's offer a Webmail system so you can access it anywhere. There's always Gmail, Yahoo etc as well.
Personal webserver? Yeah
As long as you have broadband go for it.
If you are looking at a Firewall/Gateway server I would suggest looking at Clarkconnect or perhaps SME Server.
I have used Clarkconnect for a while now and find it easy to use and manage. You don't need to be a *nix guru and it's pretty mature and
stable. It has Apache/MySQL/PHP/Python/Perl/Squid/Snort/ProFTPD. In other words most of what you need. If you decide to go own the mail server route
it covers that as well. Postfix/IMAP and Squirrelmail.
Any enquiries to MG.
Me I'm off to Barcelona for 4 days. I'll reply to anything when I get back
Sandy
I am seriously confused as to which to go for
Clarkconnect looks good aswell.
Adam
quote:
Originally posted by mangogrooveworkshop
SuSE is to some extent a bit like Redhat/Fedora. A big complete package. I was giving it a try on the laptop but it still has problems (like many distributions) with a lot of wireless cards (802.11g ones anyway for the techies).
Most ISP's offer a Webmail system so you can access it anywhere. There's always Gmail, Yahoo etc as well.
quote:
Originally posted by Noodle
quote:
Originally posted by mangogrooveworkshop
SuSE is to some extent a bit like Redhat/Fedora. A big complete package. I was giving it a try on the laptop but it still has problems (like many distributions) with a lot of wireless cards (802.11g ones anyway for the techies).
Most ISP's offer a Webmail system so you can access it anywhere. There's always Gmail, Yahoo etc as well.
Bl00dy wireless on my Fedora Core 3 laptop does my fruit. Couldn't do it FC2 or FC3. If you find out how to do it - let me know! (802.11g too)
My ISP offers webmail but they can't pull in all my accounts to one box, plus they have storage limits - I've 45GB of mail on this server! Standard server includes SpamAssasin too.
Cheers,
Neil