The other thing that puts me off is the huge amount of system resource it seems to need just to run...
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indeed and what on earth does it do with it all? it's just a cursor and some folders! Never had any problem with DOS...
[Edited on 12/12/07 by Mr Whippy]
twybrow - 12/12/07 at 01:06 PMI just got a brand new laptop through work. It was pre-instaleld with Vista. They took a day to get rid of weverything and puit XP back on. They said that for now, it is just too unstable and takes up too much memory/ processor power.
rallyingden - 12/12/07 at 01:07 PMNo No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No
We tried it at office & home.
Half of our software fell flat on its face.
Let those with the resources & time sort out the bugs first.
RD
Gergely - 12/12/07 at 01:10 PMI think LFS struggles with Vista and many gaming pads too, so I would say no...
coozer - 12/12/07 at 01:11 PMi bought a vista machine with 1gb of memory and a 320gb HDD.
Vista uses 500mb of the memory idling so I've upped that to 2gb.
it takes up 18gb on the HDD.
I've turned off all the rubbish like the side bar and its still quite sluggish. I have had some software issues as well.
I feel like going back to Win2K. It was the most stable system I've ever used.
Pdlewis - 12/12/07 at 01:22 PMI think it is worth bee aware VISTA use dynamic memory management so for anyone who doesnt write software. what it does is preload apps and files it thinks you are going to use when that memory is then requested for use it dropps the buffer and frees it for use therfore appearing like it is using the full quota for RAM when actually its using very little
mcerd1 - 12/12/07 at 01:23 PMI'd normally wait until at least service pack 1 for any new windows
by then they should have sorted the worst of it - well maybe
just for comparison Win 2000 only needs about 3Gb of HDD space and runs most things with just 256Mb of RAM or less
I thought XP was bad enough, Vista is sounding worse all the time - I wish they'd do a simplified version without all the rubbish
speedyxjs - 12/12/07 at 01:26 PMIv heard some bad things about vista but my dad has vista in his office (Mainly used for word and excel) and has had no problems.
davidosullivan - 12/12/07 at 01:31 PMI've got a Mac laptop. OSX Tiger. wouldnt go back to windoze.
Humbug - 12/12/07 at 01:31 PMObviously Microsoft is so "confident" (snigger!) in vista that they are planning to release a Service Pack 3 for XP. See here: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windows-XP-Service-Pack-3-Leaked-Details-57825.shtml
I have to say that I am using XP with SP 2 and now (some years later) it is more or less OK.
I have been toying with Linux - may have a play over Xmas. I downloaded Kubuntu and it looks quite good. My only major concern is that I am not familiar with how to set things up, tweak them etc. whereas I am with Windows
[Edited on 12.12.2007 by Humbug]
bonzoronnie - 12/12/07 at 01:35 PMI recently built a new system.
I thought I would treat myself to an Honest to goodness genuine copy of Vista home premium.
The system hs dual core processor. 4 gig latest memory. 512mb Graphic card. etc
Although I like the look of vista.
The system is very SlOOOOOW. I am well dissapointed.
I intend to return to XP Pro in the new year.
Ronnie
tegwin - 12/12/07 at 01:45 PMI built a new computer...3Gig intel dualcore, 2Gb DDR2 RAM and 180Gb SATA disk...
Stuck vista ultimate on it and it was crap tastic! So slow...
So I have switched back to XP, and it is damn fast!!!
Only downside is that XP wont support more than 2 Gig of ram...
Richard Quinn - 12/12/07 at 01:47 PMIt does have its uses but no for a gaming machine. I find it quite good on the home laptop as it is fairly user-friendly and recognises most peripherals, cameras, phones etc without having to try to remember what you did with the CD with the software/drivers on. It does need a lot of resources though!
mcerd1 - 12/12/07 at 02:13 PMquote:
Originally posted by Richard Quinn
.....recognises most peripherals, cameras, phones etc without having to try to remember what you did with the CD with the software/drivers on. It does need a lot of resources though!
personally I never bother with the CD's for those things anyway - they are normally a bit out of date - sometimes alot out of date
I always try to download the upto date stuff (most good brands make it easy)
onzarob - 12/12/07 at 02:15 PMquote:
Originally posted by Humbug
I have been toying with Linux - may have a play over Xmas. I downloaded Kubuntu and it looks quite good. My only major concern is that I am not familiar with how to set things up, tweak them etc. whereas I am with Windows
[Edited on 12.12.2007 by Humbug]
Get Ubuntu its great and it autoconfigs and downloads drivers/updates.I had the same reservation but it leaps ahead of the old Linux setups.
You can boot on the live cd and reduce the Windows partition and it installs 'Grub' allowing you to easily boot into either OS.
I had a few issues with wireless but the help on the ubuntu forums and help pages is also comprehensive.
I can'y say enough about it, i also run it on my laptop and have Vista so I can run whichever flavor of OS.
But Vista does hammer memory 2gB min.
flak monkey - 12/12/07 at 02:26 PMquote:
Originally posted by tegwin
Only downside is that XP wont support more than 2 Gig of ram...
I think XP should take 4Gb of ram max, but i may be wrong. Something to do with 32bit software and the memory controller. No idea myself. Maybe they can bump it up when they release SP3, similar to the way they put large disk support on win 98 (
Looks like i'll buy myself another copy of win xp pro then!
indykid - 12/12/07 at 02:46 PMonly solidworks 2008 is compatible with vista, should you fancy procuring a copy. hard to come by on torrents, or so i've heard........ i'd imagine it's the same for most other CAD software.
my laptop came with vista. i'm so glad i have XP back on it!
tom
Benzine - 12/12/07 at 02:51 PMVista is the best OS microsoft has made, I have home premium 64 and it's excellent. Faster than XP and runs DX10. Vista is designed for multicore CPUs and is quicker and more secure than XP will ever be. XP is just a beefed up version of 2K which is ancient.
Also pc>mac ^__^
[Edited on 12/12/07 by Benzine]
flak monkey - 12/12/07 at 02:55 PMI could always do the old fashioned thing and dual boot
britishtrident - 12/12/07 at 03:21 PMStick to Xp, Vista runs OK with loads & loads of memory ie 2+ gb and a lot the crap turned off. Some older non M$ apps run into problems.
The 64bit version is much less solid.
In another couple years it will have settled down just as all the previous Windows versions did.
Under the hood Vista is really still Xp but with much more crap bolted on. Like coozer I also think Window 2000 (aka NT5) was the best version of Windows for serious use.
If you wanted the computer for anything else other than gaming I would say stick a copy of Mint Linux on it (a properly sorted Ubuntu wit all the multimedia and wireless stuff working)
Benzine - 12/12/07 at 03:27 PMlol k
twybrow - 12/12/07 at 04:41 PMWe should all go back to Windows 95 or 98 - your machines would start up in about 3 seconds!
locogeoff - 12/12/07 at 06:06 PMGot Vista home on the livingroom laptop, it's fine for surfing and email etc.
OTOH I've just spent a good few days trying to help someone get one of our products to run, only to find he was using vista, and guess what we have never tried to run our software on vista, and it looks like it doesn't run, and this was no fancy piece of code, just a simple comms program.
David Jenkins - 12/12/07 at 07:33 PMquote:
Originally posted by twybrow
We should all go back to Windows 95 or 98 - your machines would start up in about 3 seconds!
...and blue-screen every 30 minutes!
mcerd1 - 12/12/07 at 07:35 PMquote:
Originally posted by twybrow
We should all go back to Windows 95 or 98 - your machines would start up in about 3 seconds!
I've got an old PC that runs 98 SE - It's nailed together from lots of free cast-off's & leftover bits
it turns out win 98 on a P3 850, with 512Mb of RAM and 10Gb HDD is quite quick
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Originally posted by David Jenkins
...and blue-screen every 30 minutes!
mine used to do that alot - then I replaced all the insides with good bits and it worked fine 99% of the time
[Edited on 12/12/07 by mcerd1]
David Jenkins - 12/12/07 at 07:46 PMI've still got a tiny Toshiba Libretto that runs Win98 (although I've even had Linux on it!). Even now I use it quite regularly, as it's about the size of a video tape when closed, reasonably light, and has decent battery life.
MS claimed that most of the blue-screens were due to bad drivers - and they were probably correct. The Tosh has custom drivers provided by the manufacturer, and I very rarely get a blue screen. In fact, I can't remember the last time I got one.
I'd use it as a megajolt console, if only the s/w ran on Win98 (I've tried - it nearly ran...).
mcerd1 - 12/12/07 at 08:14 PMquote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
MS claimed that most of the blue-screens were due to bad drivers - and they were probably correct. The Tosh has custom drivers provided by the manufacturer, and I very rarely get a blue screen. In fact, I can't remember the last time I got one.
sound right enough - most of mine 'blue screens of death' were driver errors (or HDD failures) but once I upgraded nearly all of it with decent stuff (ASUS MB + graphics, Seagate HDD.......) it was fine - infact I've had more hassle since I 'upgraded' to XP
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Originally posted by David JenkinsI'd use it as a megajolt console, if only the s/w ran on Win98 (I've tried - it nearly ran...).
Stick 2K on it, Toshiba might even have 2K drivers to download
My old ASUS L2000D runs XP home - its ok, but I'm tempted to go back to 2K (asus have drivers avalible for 98 SE, 2k & XP) its a bit big but has a serial port for my MJ
[Edited on 12/12/07 by mcerd1]
Keith Weiland - 12/12/07 at 08:23 PMquote:
Originally posted by tegwin
Only downside is that XP wont support more than 2 Gig of ram...
Not true. Vista and XP support the same amounts of Physical RAM. 4GB for the 32bit versions and 128gb in 64bit versions.
Vista starter 32bit and home 64bit versions are artificially limited as is XP starter edition.
Paradoxia0 - 12/12/07 at 08:33 PMMy 2 penneth worth... for what it is worth!
Vista is OK... I will not go any further than that. I was on the Vista beta Program so I have been using it for about 2 years now and it is OK... It is prettier than XP and has some bells and whistles, but a lot of these slow the OS dow drastically... You need shed loads of Ram etc etc. There were loads of driver issues with it originally but now most things work with it (although some older hardware will never work with it now - but this is always the way)
I hate it, but there is something about it that makes me not want to downgrade back to XP... I run it on my work laptop and my home PC and it does 99% of what I want it to (but I do keep an XP laptop as I need something that works with everything!!).
I have refused to roll it out at work and all new laptops we get are staying on XP as it is still not "there" enough for a business rollout (in my opinion).
When people ask me if they should upgrade to Vista I say no. It isn't worth buying an upgrade in my opinion. It comes with virtually any new home PC/laptop now so when you buy new move to it, at least you know the machine you get should work on it! It WILL take over from XP at some point but I cannot see that happening for another 6 months.
A bit longer there than planned, but if you are interested in my opinion there it is
Mark
