from the prospective i have never been in a BEC can you list the pro's and cons of owning a BEC. please could you try to be realistic and unbiast. cheers!
Pro's
Good power:weight ratio
Good acceleration
Exciting to drive
Cons
No reverse unless you complicate things
High RPMs can get annoying for long distance cruising
If you make the car heavy but adding uneccesary things you'll lose a lot of performance.
CEC drivers will always be trying to persuade you that a CEC is better. As if 
bec vs cec............just about as interesting as post aboutGTS.
Do a search it's discussed regularly.
Generally both are a very raw form of vehicle, nothing like you have been in or driven before.
The BEC is exhilerating due to the rev range, sound etc etc. I have never owned bikes so this was all new to me. You tend to get a lot of clattering
and banging. However the above comments also mean that you get a bit fed up on longer journeys, but saying that mine was used for a quick 10 mile
sprint then back in the garage.
The CEC will still be raw in the sense of wind noise, fairly harsh ride etc but the engine will be more what you are used to. Not so much clattering
noise to worry about and lower revving so better for cruising.
Really depends what you are after but remember that very few people use these cars as daily drivers, even fewer take out their missus on long drives
through the countryside. These are cars for the purist and hence build oneto suit.
Steve
Pro's
They are very quick.
They are even quicker round corners.
They sound lovely.
You can have flappy paddles that actually work.
Con's
They make your eyes water
They make your eyes water even more round corners.
They can make your ears hurt.
Flappy paddles are seen by some as a bit girlie (usually cec drivers, just ignore them, it's only jealousy).
There a well rounded summary i reckon.
Al
i]Originally posted by buncefm
from the prospective i have never been in a BEC can you list the pro's and cons of owning a BEC. please could you try to be realistic and
unbiast. cheers!
Pro:
They are quick
Con:
Driver smugness
This is a debate that is often covered I have a bec and i think if i was to build another one i think i would go car engine next time.
bec are not every day transport they are great for the sunday blast they are designed to be thrashed that is what they they are good at pureley
because i find that they dont seem to like cruising in top gear for a length of time you will be in top doing 60 you dont put your foot down because
not much will happen you have down shift then floor the pedal thats baisically it.Dont build one thinking you will get better fuel economy either.
If money wasnt an issue I would go for honda s2000 engine best of both worlds or if on a budget go for pinto or duratec with mild tuning.
there you have it the choice is now yours but you will always want what you havent got (grass greaner on other side)
regards Mick 
Pros, everything.
Cons, I'm always late home, the dam thing always turns left on the way home when home is right, or tother way round.....
Yawn
CEC is better. Why? Because I've got internet access. And that gives me all the credibility I need to give you my opinion. That and my paternal
grandmother was from Bolton. Been through myself, but never stopped.
[Edited on 21/5/08 by RK]
[Edited on 21/5/08 by RK]
You can get a jag engine in a cec 
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Originally posted by thegasmeni find that they dont seem to like cruising in top gear for a length of time you will be in top doing 60 you dont put your foot down because not much will happen
Power to weight ratio can't be beaten, light weight pulls more 'g' in corners and as sequential gearbox gain up to 0.1 sec per gear change (lots per lap). QED
the only reason i built a car with a bike engine was the noise
altho i did buy an E30 6 cylinder for the same reason
if you want a toring type car with a bit of poke s2000 all the way even the misses can drive it, but for out and out track performance and grin factor
it has be be bike
cheers
marc
thanks for all the comments, its still not easy to decide WHATS BEST? ive fancied the bike engine for the noise and performance and for the fact i
think if i owned a bike i'd end up killing myself so a bike engined car sounds like the solution, but then the sensible side of the brain kicks
in and pulls up all the reasons why a cec would be more practical and nearly just as much fun AAAAAARGH! why do we have this part of the brain that
always spoils the best plans.
next question what sort of price are you lookin at for an s2000 engine? how would cosworth engine compare with bike engine performance?
The S2000 engine and gearbox is about 3500£ and then you need to dry sump it for about 1500 £. You will probably also need to get a standalone ECU
witch runs about 1100 £
PWL
Why does the F20C need a dry sump? is it height issues? I might be buying a Half-cut S2000 straight from japan and rip-out the bits at my own lesiure in the garage.
Height and oil starvation at high G´s
PWL
I've just gone through the maintenance manual of a '03 S2000, more specifically to look at the ECU setup. has anyone run this engine with
an OEM ecu, with all the 'useless' bits blocked off, and no fault codes?
I think this may need a stand-alone ECU jobbie ... 
I think it is possible to run the stock ECU, but it will be really hard. Especially all the emission components and anti theft, will be really hard to
fit on the 7, so in reality I think the only realistic option is a standalone ECU. I will be using the AEM 30-1052U
PWL
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Why does the F20C need a dry sump? is it height issues? I might be buying a Half-cut S2000 straight from japan and rip-out the bits at my own lesiure in the garage.
Great. Thanks marc. Well without a dry-sump, the ECU will be withing budget. AEM are good, bec they are plug and play, however I prefer Haltech.
The E8 is perfect for the job, the only downside is no Knocking retard maps.
Just out of curiosity, can you download the AEM software to play about with it?
one of our custmoers is using a omex system as our man who makes the loom can integrate it all into one wiring harness making it a lot neater
cheers
marc
Had a quick look at the OMEX website, i like. I'll try and contact them to download the manual and software and have a quick look at it.
It's important since i have to do my own mapping, on maltese roads at least this time we won't be testing the anti-lag system on the
traffic lights lol lol
if you use the omex we will of course have a custom map made that will work on all our cars
cheers
marc
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Originally posted by marc n
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Why does the F20C need a dry sump? is it height issues? I might be buying a Half-cut S2000 straight from japan and rip-out the bits at my own lesiure in the garage.
dry sumping only gained an extra 5mm clearance, when we do our own s2000 we will not bother with the sump, in our latest cars the body is 25mm higher, so an s2000 with standard sump sits just below the chassis rail from memory 10 - 15mm infact the lowest part is the bell housing
ecu does need to be swapped by an after market job
cheers
marc
Here is a couple of pictures of the drysump, if anybody is interested
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Was it oil surges in a 7-type car?? I would think that the transversally mounted version (K20A) would be more prone to oil starvation, when mounted
in a mid-engined car. Do Atoms use a dry-sump?
I can understand the use of a Dry-sump on a Race oriented 7, but I would like to think that a baffled sump is sufficient on a road car, or an
occasional track day.
Maybe its just me that are playing it a bit to safe, I just don’t like to worry about if the engine is going to blow op in the next corner, when I am
on the track.
I am building a track only car.
Just trying to share the information I have gathered.
PWL
[Edited on 27/5/08 by pwl]
That's true enough ... a track only car makes sense to have a dry-sump, oil-cooler, and a better cooling system. However ... thanks a lot for
those pics pwl. I'm pretty sure your car is going to rip a lot of tarmac
I just want something to give all the jap-car boys a hard time on the road, and the odd hill-climb and lots of 1/4 mile runs. I have a good feeling
that i can get the Vortx with this sort of engine close to 12.5 secs.