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Type 9 oil ?
maximus1 - 7/2/16 at 10:33 PM

What Oil for type 9 gear box I have been told dexron 3 is good to use
? Thanks

mcerd1 - 7/2/16 at 10:48 PM

75/90 semi synthetic GL4 - as per the ford spec.
the guys at BGH recommend Comma stuff


Don't use dexron and don't use anything that says GL5 (any GL5 spec oil will kill type 9 boxes, including ones that say GL4&5)




[Edited on 7/2/2016 by mcerd1]

tims31 - 7/2/16 at 11:51 PM

Yep, Used the Comma GL4 Spec available from Halfrauds

GL5 apparent attacks the bushes or bearings, cant remeber which it was?

snapper - 8/2/16 at 06:00 AM

GL5 eats the yellow metal I believe
Certainly not the one for Type 9

maximus1 - 8/2/16 at 10:11 AM

Why do people keep telling me ATF ?

Paul Turner - 8/2/16 at 10:47 AM

quote:
Originally posted by maximus1
Why do people keep telling me ATF ?


Because Ford specified ATF for the MT75 and people do not know the difference between a MT75 and a Type 9.

For a type 9 use Comma GL4 as stated above. Its all I have used for over 15 years in type 9's with no issues (other than a broken circlip and I don't think that was oil related). Prior to using Comma GL4 I used the red genuine Ford type 9 specific oil but it went off the shelves many years ago.

mcerd1 - 8/2/16 at 12:44 PM

^^ What he said

the MT75 is a totally different box with very different requirements, both were used in Sierra's and Granada's, both came in rwd and 4x4 versions, both were fitted to 4cly and V6 engines

there are 2 sure ways to tell them apart:
1 - The MT75 box has an all alloy case and normally an integral bellhousing, but the type 9 has an iron main case with a removable bellhousing.
2 - the gear pattern is different - reverse gear is beside 1st on a type 9, but behind 5th on an MT75


MT75's are normally found in later cars that have DOHC engines (8v or 16v), 2.9 V6's and the cossie 4x4's
Type 9's are found in cars with Pinto's, CVH's, the older 2.8 / 2.3 V6's and the diesels

Fatgadget - 8/2/16 at 01:56 PM

quote:
Originally posted by maximus1
Why do people keep telling me ATF ?


Was good enough for ZF and Rocket gearboxes.....Gotta be good enough for a type 9 too!


Afterall a type 9 is nothing more than a Rocket box variant with a 5th gear tacked on - no?



[Edited on 8/2/16 by Fatgadget]

Paul Turner - 8/2/16 at 02:18 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Fatgadget
quote:
Originally posted by maximus1
Why do people keep telling me ATF ?


Was good enough for ZF and Rocket gearboxes.....Gotta be good enough for a type 9 too!


Afterall a type 9 is a Rocket box variant with a 5th gear tacked on - no?

[Edited on 8/2/16 by Fatgadget]


No idea about ZF boxes but with regards to the Type E (or rocket as its sometimes called) the Ford specified oil was boggo standard EP, probably all there was available in the 70's.

The type 9 was in theory a Type E with a 5th on the end but Ford had issues with gear change quality (which they never had with a type E) and as a result introduced their own oil spec (the red one) which partially solved this. The nearest accepted replacement is the Comma GL4.

For me the simple fact is Ford never specified ATF for use in a Type E or Type 9 and therefore they should not be filled with it. Ford do tend to know a fair bit about their products and spend far more than your average pub know it all on R & D.

Exceptions to the above could be boxes fitted with aftermarket gear kits, always use what the manufacturer/builder recommends otherwise it could be the end of the warranty.

mcerd1 - 8/2/16 at 03:09 PM

The type 9 may be a bit fussy about it's oil - but the bonus is that best stuff for the job is pretty cheap and easy to get so why risk anything else

[Edited on 8/2/2016 by mcerd1]

johnemms - 8/2/16 at 05:16 PM

Try this stuff ... Amazon



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[Edited on 8/2/16 by johnemms]

Paul Turner - 9/2/16 at 09:51 AM

quote:
Originally posted by johnemms
Try this stuff ... Amazon


That is probably an American spec for American Fords and will very possibly kill a Type 9. Its fully synthetic for starters and the last thing a type 9 needs is fully synthetic, the syncros will stop working.

Why will people not accept that the correct oil for a Type 9 is good old cheap GL4 semi synthetic Comma.

johnemms - 9/2/16 at 10:11 AM

I use this Genuine Ford Fluid XT-M5-QS 'as recomended' .. it is very nice stuff.. replace the rear gearbox bush & oil seal while at it

'Ford 1 045 737 Ford spec WSD-M2C200-C 75W-90 GL-4 BO'


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75w90 Transmission Oil 1Ltr

With Ford Specification
ESDM-2C175-A
ESDM-2C186-A
WSD-M2C200-C

To Fit The Following Applications

4 Speed Manual Transmissions
from 01-07-1970 To 15-08-1996

5 Speed Type 9 Manual Transmission
In Capri, Sierra, Granada
From 01-08-1992 Onwards

5 Speed BC, IB5, MTX75 Manual Transmissions
In Fiesta Escort, Mondeo
From 01-02-1982 Onwards

5 Speed VXT75 Manual Transmission
In Galaxy
From 01-04-2000 To 31-08-2006

6 Speed MT82 Manual Transmission
In Transit
From 17-04-2006 To 16-03-2009

6 Speed MMT 6 Manual Transmission In Mondeo
From: 02-10-2000 To: 19-03-2007

Use according to owner guide recommendations
Manufactured with synthetic base oils and performance additives providing improved gear shifting at all ambient temperatures
Due to its excellent thermal, oxidative and shear stability, this fluid meets Ford's fill-for-life requirements
Its wear protection extends the life of synchronizers and bearings
Reduced friction and optimal lubrication reduces operating temperatures, increases component life and improves efficiency

I also use fully synthetic engine oil - suppose i could save a few bob and put in morrisons own 10/40 ..its only oil..



[Edited on 9/2/16 by johnemms]

DJT - 9/2/16 at 10:22 AM

I've found this really helps a Type 9 with notchy gear changes when cold:

MT-90 75W90 GL-4 Gear Oil

www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=46

[Edited on 9-2-2016 by DJT]

[Edited on 9-2-2016 by DJT]

Paul Turner - 9/2/16 at 12:17 PM

quote:
Originally posted by DJT
I've found this really helps a Type 9 with notchy gear changes when cold:

MT-90 75W90 GL-4 Gear Oil



I have heard of many people using that particular oil but the fact its fully synth when Fords spec was for semi synth has put me off.

Ford type 9 syncros do not work properly if the oil is too good which I understand was Fords original reason for specifying semi synthetic.

That and the price and no local stockists.

johnemms - 9/2/16 at 12:59 PM

NEW GENUINE FORD GEARBOX/TRANSMISSION OIL 75W-90 1L WSD-M2C200-C
NEW GENUINE FORD GEARBOX/TRANSMISSION OIL 75W-90 1L WSD-M2C200-C

maximus1 - 9/2/16 at 07:06 PM

Thanks for advice ordered comma 75/90 gl4

maximus1 - 11/2/16 at 01:07 PM

Makes sense thinner than I was expecting