Sam
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| posted on 24/7/09 at 03:56 PM | |
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Haynes Forum
Anyone got any idea whats up with the Haynes Forum.
I havent been able to get on for 24hrs just get something about it being closed for essential maintenance.
Has someone from here put a spanner in there server after the banter from the last couple of days !!!! :-)
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iscmatt
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| posted on 24/7/09 at 04:05 PM | |
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i think they are doing some essential maintinance
(tongue firmly in cheek  )
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balidey
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| posted on 24/7/09 at 04:25 PM | |
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There was a malicious attack so it was pulled down to stop further damage.
Coincidence?
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AdrianH
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| posted on 24/7/09 at 04:44 PM | |
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I have never figured out how say something like a malicious attack or DOS attack could damage the server or software etc. I would like it explained
to me in words with simple phrases for a thicky?
Adrian
[Edited on 24-7-09 by AdrianH]
Why do I have to make the tools to finish the job? More time then money.
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balidey
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| posted on 24/7/09 at 04:46 PM | |
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it wasn't a DOS attack, it was someone deleting hundreds of posts at a time. I was watching and recording the Post count, it went down about 300
posts per hour. Someone was logged in as an admin, luckily someone on the forum managed to get hold of Chris, he then got hold of haynes and they
pulled the plug.
Very sad individual to have done that. But I am sure there is a good back up to restore it
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balidey
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| posted on 24/7/09 at 04:49 PM | |
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As for how a DOS attack works, think about you posting a letter in a letterbox. its easy. Thats like viewing a website. Now imagine if some idiot
decided to get 500 of his mates to post letters in the same letterbox at the same time. You (and everyone else) can't even see the letterbox. is
that layman terms enough?
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AdrianH
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| posted on 24/7/09 at 04:53 PM | |
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Oh OK I understand what you mean by malicious, so someone must have left a default password in there I guess?
Makes you wonder why people do that sort of thing, write viruses etc all.
Anyway hope it is back soon, and life returns to normal for all.
The internet is big enough for plenty of choice
Adrian
Yes I guess on the DOS bit, I allways assumed that the server spends so much time serving ping requests that there is little processor time or
bandwidth time left to do anything else, but still never figured how it would bring down servers, as when the DOS stops it should be there ready to
resume.
[Edited on 24-7-09 by AdrianH]
Why do I have to make the tools to finish the job? More time then money.
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Sam
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| posted on 24/7/09 at 05:09 PM | |
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So I was almost right, ChrisW was wielding his keyboard not a spanner !!!!!
Is it tooo recent to jest ?
[Edited on 24/7/09 by Sam]
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bonzoronnie
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| posted on 24/7/09 at 06:12 PM | |
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quote:
Originally posted by Sam
So I was almost right, ChrisW was wielding his keyboard not a spanner !!!!!
Is it tooo recent to jest ?
[Edited on 24/7/09 by Sam]
Errr......... In a word .... Yes 
Comments like that will not help the situation Sam 
Surely the Haynes Roadster & Lowcost builders forum can work in harmony.
Are we all, not just a bunch of guys & girls building our own cars with the help of like minded folk
Have fun with your build folks 
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MikeR
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| posted on 24/7/09 at 06:20 PM | |
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quote:
Originally posted by bonzoronnie
Have fun with your build folks
fun, Fun, FUN ...... what-a-ya-mean F U N!!!!
Its blooming torture, torture i tell you. This forum is the only reason I'm sane and still at it ........... hmmmmmm
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bonzoronnie
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| posted on 24/7/09 at 06:27 PM | |
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Tell me about it
Just spent a very hard month getting my chassis to the rolling stage.
Never would have managed it without forum help.
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spikehaus
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| posted on 24/7/09 at 06:38 PM | |
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u2u Ronnie
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 24/7/09 at 08:53 PM | |
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quote:
Originally posted by balidey
There was a malicious attack so it was pulled down to stop further damage.
Coincidence?
I really, REALLY hope that whoever attacked the Haynes forum wasn't anything to do with this forum - we don't need that sort of nonsense
at this time.
Both forums, plus all the other 'one make' forums, add their own value to the kit car world and the last thing we need is a forum war.
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ChrisW
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| posted on 25/7/09 at 12:50 AM | |
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All I've got to say on this subject is...
Couldn't have happened to a nicer bloke.
Chris
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handyandy
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| posted on 25/7/09 at 09:30 AM | |
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with all due respect ChrisW,
the fact that the Haynes forum is down for what ever reason ( i,m useless with computers & don,t understand how they work),
its not only Chris G its affecting, but lots of members of that forum who rely on the site to help them with their build.
again, said with all respect ......venting your opinion in such a manner IMO is both surprising & not called for,
your words " Couldn,t have happened to a nicer bloke"
is short sighted as like i,ve said, its affecting other members of the Haynes forum too, some of which are also members of this forum too.
i am in no way questioning what the personal situation between you & Chris but feel this is uncalled for.
andy
[Edited on 25/7/09 by handyandy]
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balidey
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| posted on 25/7/09 at 10:23 AM | |
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Agree fully with Andy,
even though there is ill feeling between ChrisG and ChrisW , a response like that i would expect from my 5 year old son.
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ChrisW
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| posted on 25/7/09 at 10:55 AM | |
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With all due respect in return, Andy, you've been here very little time, and probably not had a 'ChrisG' incident before.
I've put up with his crap for 8 years, both posting under his own username and other names which he somehow thinks I'm stupid enough to
not find out about. 'Lord Charles' is one that springs to mind, but there have been plenty over the years.
I've heard various theories as to why the forums went down, from a hack attempt to legal action over some part of the design. Whatever the
truth is, all I can do is shrug and think 'he had it coming'.
This forum was perfectly adequate for the Roadster builders before Chris came along and wanted a slice of the action, and I'm sure it will
continue to be now it's gone.
Cheers, Chris
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handyandy
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| posted on 25/7/09 at 11:18 AM | |
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Thankyou for your reply ChrisW.
whilst yes i acknowledge your comments that i haven,t been here very long but IMO doesnt stop me from having an opinion of the "current
situation".
As i stated in my earlier post i am in no way questioning the personal conflict between yourself & Chris G but may i say that your post with the
picture of a " care o meter" showing zero brought to me the opinion that you have no regard to how the fact that the Haynes forum is down
affects the members of that site in relation to that it is a very important part of a "Roadster builders" source of help &
information.
I,m sorry ChrisW but i feel that the way you have viewed your opinions on the "public forum" ( even tho you are the owner of this site)
only creates a lesser opinion of YOU by members of this Forum, which i feel is a fair assumption with the way the situation has been handled
publicly.
The fact that i,m building a Roadster should hopefully not create a negative opinion from you about me , but that is the way i am starting to feel,
& maybe others may also feel the same way, tho i cannot & will not speak on behalf of any other Roadster builders personal opinion.
regards
andy
[Edited on 25/7/09 by handyandy]
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ChrisW
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| posted on 25/7/09 at 12:00 PM | |
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Andy
Again with all due respect to you, it's mainly the old Roadster users that seem to have a negative opinon. I was at a show last weekend with a
lot of older users, (in terms of how long they've been here, not necessarily their age!) all of whom said it was a suprise it's taken this
long. I've also had countless u2u's from users showing their support. What you don't see behind the scenes is that the people that
do approve keep their mouths shut in public, unlike those that don't, in the true style of Gibbs himself.
I'm not at all suprised you had an opinion after some of the comments posted by you in the last week both here and on the other forum.
Weren't you one of the people saying you'd never post here again? Yet as soon as Haynes is gone, you're back? To me, all that says
is that all was intended to make a point, with no real intention of sticking to it for the long term.
My opinion above still stands. If you, and a handful of other Gibbs sympathisers think it's the wrong attitude to have, then quite frankly,
I'm arrogant enough not to care.
Cheers, Chris
[Edited on 7/25/2009 by ChrisW]
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Fozzie
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| posted on 25/7/09 at 12:05 PM | |
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quote:
Originally posted by handyandy.....I,m sorry ChrisW but i feel that the way you have viewed your opinions on the "public
forum" ( even tho you are the owner of this site) only creates a lesser opinion of YOU by members of this Forum, which i feel is a fair
assumption with the way the situation has been handled publicly...........[Edited on 25/7/09 by handyandy]
Double standards?
Was it not chrisg who brought a situation he had created on LB, to the Haynes (public) forum (which is chrisg's), and started a thread under the
heading of 'I'm a Social Outcast' ......and let it run for 8 pages before he deleted it?
ChrisW has not started any threads on this particular subject........
Fozzie
'Racing is Life!...anything before or after is just waiting'....Steve McQueen
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ChrisW
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| posted on 25/7/09 at 12:09 PM | |
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quote:
Originally posted by handyandy
its not only Chris G its affecting, but lots of members of that forum who rely on the site to help them with their build.
The same help they got here before Gibbs jumped in and tried to push his way to the front, and the same help I'm 100% sure they will continue to
get by coming here.
If Haynes really wanted to help their customers, they'd have a 'in the mean time, help with your build can be obtained from
LocostBuilders.co.uk' strap on the front page. They haven't, of course, because Gibbs will try his hardest to retain that small number of
users he's managed to convert.
Chris
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handyandy
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| posted on 25/7/09 at 12:13 PM | |
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ChrisW,
i don,t recall saying that i wouldn,t post on here again, yes i vented my opinions with regard how discussions were being posted & feel i had the
right to do so, as did alot of members who are not building a Roadster.
again not wishing to question any personal conflict between members, but the words that you are now implying that you don,t care about me as a member
i do take personally & feel that this is unjust as you & i have never had any cross words, would you agree with that?
i find the last post you made to be both arrogant & rude towards me as a member.
very surprised that this discussion has taken a personal view from you to me , a member that enjoys building my car & enjoys the usual "warm
" atmosphere from the members of this forum.
very dissapointed .
regards
andy
where i say "your last post", as you have posted another, i mean the one on the second page, sorry don,t know how to link the two. i,m
slow at typing.
[Edited on 25/7/09 by handyandy]
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balidey
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| posted on 25/7/09 at 12:15 PM | |
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quote:
Originally posted by ChrisW
, because Gibbs will try his hardest to retain that small number of users he's managed to convert.
Chris
Convert to me sounds like we have to be one or the other. Either a locostbuilder or a roadsterbuilder. How horrible it would be to have to choose one
or the other. Thats why I want to be a member on both forums (plus many others too) which is why I felt it was rather sad to see the bikering of the
past few days and then the malicious attack on the haynes forum.
Surely we are all adult enough to not have to take sides
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ChrisW
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| posted on 25/7/09 at 12:31 PM | |
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quote:
Originally posted by balidey
Convert to me sounds like we have to be one or the other. Either a locostbuilder or a roadsterbuilder. How horrible it would be to have to choose one
or the other. Thats why I want to be a member on both forums (plus many others too) which is why I felt it was rather sad to see the bikering of the
past few days and then the malicious attack on the haynes forum.
Surely we are all adult enough to not have to take sides
I totally agree with you. 'There's room for more than one Casino in this town' as someone famous once said about Las Vegas (I
forget who, might have been the Mayor or someone like that).
I was referring to some of the opinions expressed in this thread (click) and the
corresponding one on the Haynes forum, which of course I can't link now.
Chris
[Edited on 7/25/2009 by ChrisW]
[Edited on 7/25/2009 by ChrisW]
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handyandy
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| posted on 25/7/09 at 01:12 PM | |
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quote:
Originally posted by handyandy
ChrisW,
i don,t recall saying that i wouldn,t post on here again, yes i vented my opinions with regard how discussions were being posted & feel i had the
right to do so, as did alot of members who are not building a Roadster.
again not wishing to question any personal conflict between members, but the words that you are now implying that you don,t care about me as a member
i do take personally & feel that this is unjust as you & i have never had any cross words, would you agree with that?
i find the last post you made to be both arrogant & rude towards me as a member.
very surprised that this discussion has taken a personal view from you to me , a member that enjoys building my car & enjoys the usual "warm
" atmosphere from the members of this forum.
very dissapointed .
regards
andy
where i say "your last post", as you have posted another, i mean the one on the second page, sorry don,t know how to link the two. i,m
slow at typing.
[Edited on 25/7/09 by handyandy]
again ChrisW.......
i don,t recall saying i wouldn,t post on here again????????
may i ask that because i am still posting on here,
Am i still welcome ?
andy
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