jonno
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| posted on 6/1/12 at 05:59 PM |
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Keep xflow or stick a zetec in ?
Just thinking out loud... general rambling 
If you had a toy car with a 1700 xflow, Bcf2 cam, 40's etc rolling roaded at 113bhp at the flywheel, would you be temped to replace with a 1.8
zetec from a Escort (shorter sump and correct water pump ?) with about 115bhp ? or maybe a 2.0 zetec but would mean sourcing more parts ?
So.. too much hassle, not worth it (costs + time), enjoy the xflow or future proof it a bit ? or even sell and look for another car ?
Cheers
having fun on a budget
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steve m
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| posted on 6/1/12 at 06:17 PM |
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I personly, would keep the Xflow,
My reasons, vary from why change, to all the modifications to the body work, as the zetec is a lot taller
plus a new exhaust is needed, plus some way of fueling the engine, megaquirt etc etc
all of this will add £££
Just my opinion
Steve
plus i like my xflows!!
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MakeEverything
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| posted on 6/1/12 at 06:55 PM |
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If you're considering it, maybe you've answered your own question?
Is there such thing as hassle on kit cars? - I mean, they're supposed to have the bits changed are they not?
I would do it.
Kindest Regards,
Richard.
...You can make it foolProof, but youll never make it Idiot Proof!...
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mark chandler
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| posted on 6/1/12 at 07:04 PM |
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If you change it then same power more weight is not the way forward.
Duratec keeps exhaust on the same side so preferred, you really want lots more power to make it worth while IMHO.
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designer
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| posted on 6/1/12 at 07:07 PM |
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With those stats, I would keep the X-flow.
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Alfa145
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| posted on 6/1/12 at 07:22 PM |
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I have an Xflow (101bhp at the wheels) and had the same discussion with myself a few months back. Decided to keep the Xflow as it's so simple to
fix if it goes wrong, sounds great and pulls well.
If I had gone Zetec, I'd need new petrol tank, return fuel line putting in, new manifold, things moving under the bonnet, maybe bonnet mods, new
engine mounts, and a few other bits.
So i decided to keep the Xflow until it goes pop and I can afford a nice expensive 200bhp Zetec.
quote:
Originally posted by mark chandler
Duratec keeps exhaust on the same side so preferred, you really want lots more power to make it worth while IMHO.
Incorrect. Duratec exhaust is on the same side as a Pinto. Zetec is on the same side as the Xflow.
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trialsman
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| posted on 6/1/12 at 07:29 PM |
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Use the 2.0 ltr and ship the Xflow to ME. TeeHee!!!!!! Xflow's are great motors plus they sound right. Russ
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 6/1/12 at 07:50 PM |
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My philosophy is that I will keep my x-flow as long as it is working. If it stops working and repairs are likely to cost a significant amount of
money then I'll upgrade to something more modern.
I like my x-flow!
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daniel mason
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| posted on 6/1/12 at 08:03 PM |
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i love the crossflow motoers. think they sound great and there is some decent tuning available
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jonno
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| posted on 6/1/12 at 08:04 PM |
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Kinda confirms what I was thinking.. i'll keep it as is might treat it to a megajolt thou
having fun on a budget
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 6/1/12 at 08:11 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by jonno
Kinda confirms what I was thinking.. i'll keep it as is might treat it to a megajolt thou
Good move - it won't give any extra power (well, hardly any) but it will keep the ignition properly in tune, unlike contact breakers.
It's also more reliable, and a great help when trying to start on icy cold mornings (it gives a big fat spark, even at minimum revs, and the
timing advance can be reduced at start-up engine speed to reduce the load on the starter.)
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 6/1/12 at 08:12 PM |
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I like my 1640 ish Xflow with bcf 2 cam but running bike throttle bodies, made 127bhp at the flywheel albeit with a decent head . Built using parts
from ebay amongst other places without spending a fortune
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Alfa145
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| posted on 6/1/12 at 08:12 PM |
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If you do go Megajolt, I'd be interested in hearing what difference it makes and if it ups the performance. As I just have the standard
coil/dizzy on mine.
[Edited on 6/1/12 by Alfa145]
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MikeR
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| posted on 6/1/12 at 08:21 PM |
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keep the xflow. If you want something to do fuel inject it. More bits will be reusable when you do upgrade to a zetec and you may find more power and
defo more tractable engine.
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 6/1/12 at 08:44 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Alfa145
If you do go Megajolt, I'd be interested in hearing what difference it makes and if it ups the performance. As I just have the standard
coil/dizzy on mine.
[Edited on 6/1/12 by Alfa145]
When I originally built my car it had clockwork ignition, converting it to electronic using a Valencia distributor and coil from a Fiesta made a huge
difference
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myke pocock
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| posted on 6/1/12 at 08:56 PM |
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Na, keep it old school crossflow. Mines only 1300 but still fun. Will fit a DGAV and mild cam soon when the weather gets a bit warmer.
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Andy S
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| posted on 6/1/12 at 09:29 PM |
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To buck this x-flow male bonding cast iron dead weight hug fest - You would not regret dragging it out and binning it - (read selling it to some misty
eyed sentimentalist ) for the Zetec - get on with it there is no way an X-flow can compete with the extra capacity and double the number of valves.
Once done its then a piece of cake to upgrade.
The X-Flow cant hold a candle to the Zetec and there are plenty of cheap offers for near complete installations out there
Andrew
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RoadkillUK
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| posted on 6/1/12 at 09:36 PM |
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I'd sell it on ebay and fit a Zetec, we bought our zetec for £50 and sold the inlet stuff for I think about £30. Also the crossflow went for
decent money too, went towards the bike carbs.
Ford 1600 Crossflow Engine | eBay sold on ebay for £205.
Just a thought 
Roadkill - Lee
www.bradford7.co.uk
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paulf
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| posted on 6/1/12 at 09:52 PM |
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I had a cross flow and converted to mega jolt ignition and EFI and it went reasonably well but was well worn and needed rebuilding.I considered
rebuilding it but it would have cost far more to rebuild than it cost to install an 1800 zetec using my existing ignition and injection system.An 1800
zetec on throttle body's and set up well will give about 150bhp not 115 and would be noticeably quicker.The biggest bug bear is the extra height
but if you can accommodate this then it would be well worth while doing especially as you could sell the cross flow and cover most of the costs.
Paul
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clairetoo
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| posted on 6/1/12 at 09:55 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Andy S
To buck this x-flow male bonding cast iron dead weight hug fest - You would not regret dragging it out and binning it - (read selling it to some misty
eyed sentimentalist ) for the Zetec - get on with it there is no way an X-flow can compete with the extra capacity and double the number of valves.
Once done its then a piece of cake to upgrade.
The X-Flow cant hold a candle to the Zetec and there are plenty of cheap offers for near complete installations out there
Andrew
I disagree - my home-done , bike throttle-bodied 1700 made a solid 165BHP at a sweet 8000 RPM - at Loan a few years ago I blitzed a Dunnell Zetec
powered Caterham up the hill by so much the guy demanded to know what was in my car............he nearly cried on seeing the crossflow in
there........
I only changed it for the V6 when the twice yearly engine rebuilds got a bit much 
Its cuz I is blond , innit
Claire xx
Will weld for food......
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Andy S
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| posted on 6/1/12 at 10:07 PM |
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Not quite sure that example works but good try 
quote:
Originally posted by clairetoo
quote:
Originally posted by Andy S
To buck this x-flow male bonding cast iron dead weight hug fest - You would not regret dragging it out and binning it - (read selling it to some misty
eyed sentimentalist ) for the Zetec - get on with it there is no way an X-flow can compete with the extra capacity and double the number of valves.
Once done its then a piece of cake to upgrade.
The X-Flow cant hold a candle to the Zetec and there are plenty of cheap offers for near complete installations out there
Andrew
I disagree - my home-done , bike throttle-bodied 1700 made a solid 165BHP at a sweet 8000 RPM - at Loan a few years ago I blitzed a Dunnell Zetec
powered Caterham up the hill by so much the guy demanded to know what was in my car............he nearly cried on seeing the crossflow in
there........
I only changed it for the V6 when the twice yearly engine rebuilds got a bit much
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paulf
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| posted on 6/1/12 at 10:19 PM |
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I agree a fast cross flow would be nice but a 2 litre zetec would give the same sort of power although at less revs and although it wont sound as nice
can be replaced for less than £100 IF it wears out instead of once a year at £1000 plus for the cross flow rebuild.
Paul
quote:
Originally posted by clairetoo
quote:
Originally posted by Andy S
To buck this x-flow male bonding cast iron dead weight hug fest - You would not regret dragging it out and binning it - (read selling it to some misty
eyed sentimentalist ) for the Zetec - get on with it there is no way an X-flow can compete with the extra capacity and double the number of valves.
Once done its then a piece of cake to upgrade.
The X-Flow cant hold a candle to the Zetec and there are plenty of cheap offers for near complete installations out there
Andrew
I disagree - my home-done , bike throttle-bodied 1700 made a solid 165BHP at a sweet 8000 RPM - at Loan a few years ago I blitzed a Dunnell Zetec
powered Caterham up the hill by so much the guy demanded to know what was in my car............he nearly cried on seeing the crossflow in
there........
I only changed it for the V6 when the twice yearly engine rebuilds got a bit much
[Edited on 6/1/12 by paulf]
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norfolkluego
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| posted on 6/1/12 at 10:34 PM |
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Having done the X-Flow to Zetec swop myself, I'd have to say the two engines are not even comparable, the Zetec is better in every respect.
No disrespect to anyone but claims for big power out of a X-Flow are usually just that, claims. Not have a pop at you Paulf, I'm sure that you
and plenty of guys on here can wring every last horse power out of an X-Flow but a Zetec is the simpler and cheaper way to go for most of us for that
kind of power.
Take a bog standard Zetec, put on a good inlet and exhaust manifold, bike carbs and MJ and you have an engine that it would be very expensive for a
X-Flow to match.
Of course you can get good power out of a X-Flow, but not cheaply.
The crossflow has it's fans and good luck to them (I enjoyed mine), each to his own, that's the joy of kits, there is no right way to do
it, but the Zetec is the better engine (and cheaper).
[Edited on 6/1/12 by norfolkluego]
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snapper
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| posted on 6/1/12 at 11:05 PM |
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BHP sells engines
Torque wins races
What's the torque difference?
I've got a 130bhp Desiel as a road car but it's the torque that makes it different to a 130bhp petrol
I eat to survive
I drink to forget
I breath to pi55 my ex wife off (and now my ex partner)
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norfolkluego
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| posted on 7/1/12 at 01:57 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by snapper
BHP sells engines
Torque wins races
What's the torque difference?
I've got a 130bhp Desiel as a road car but it's the torque that makes it different to a 130bhp petrol
Depends on the circuit I would have thought, whether torque or bhp was your weapon of choice
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