Dave Bailey
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| posted on 17/7/13 at 07:41 AM |
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Immobiliser
Received my confirmation appointment yesterday from the local office and on the form is a reminder to bring an installer proof of immobiliser
installation... Do they have a clue what we do? Pay someone to fit something that we can do ourselves.... Anyway... I am sure I am not alone here.. I
have fitted the immobiliser myself so how have people go over this in the past.. The immobiliser is one of the forms of security I have...
FIA switch....
Ignition Key...
Immobiliser....
thoughts?
Thanks
Dave B
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daveb666
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| posted on 17/7/13 at 07:48 AM |
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Mine has the built in 'ford' immobiliser (uses the original Sierra key) but I had no proof it was there. Tester never asked.
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iank
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| posted on 17/7/13 at 07:55 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave Bailey
Received my confirmation appointment yesterday from the local office and on the form is a reminder to bring an installer proof of immobiliser
installation... Do they have a clue what we do? Pay someone to fit something that we can do ourselves.... Anyway... I am sure I am not alone here.. I
have fitted the immobiliser myself so how have people go over this in the past.. The immobiliser is one of the forms of security I have...
FIA switch....
Ignition Key...
Immobiliser....
thoughts?
Thanks
Dave B
IIRC they removed the requirement for a professional install from the IVA requirements a while back. Check the latest manual and query.
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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sdh2903
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| posted on 17/7/13 at 08:57 AM |
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Is this an Iva or Dvla appointment?
If its the Dvla then just go along with it, any queries will just slow things down. Get creative on Word and knock up an installation receipt.
Agreed though they shouldn't be asking for it. I just had to demonstrate mine working at IVA.
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daveb666
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| posted on 17/7/13 at 09:13 AM |
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Manual says:
Check, in addition to the normal “ignition” switch, that the vehicle is
permanently fitted with an anti-theft device or an electronic immobiliser that
can be activated to prevent the vehicle being driven or moved under its
own power.
A mechanical anti-theft device could be a steering lock or transmission
lock. An electronic immobiliser can be activated by the ignition key (so
would not be obvious) or could be separate - activated by a little fob type
device
A manually operated battery master switch or a removable steering wheel
would not be considered to be an anti theft device.
1. A vehicle MUST be fitted with either a mechanical anti – theft
device or an electronic immobiliser
2. If fitted to the Vehicle, an anti – theft device
a. must be operational
b. must not operate on any part of the braking system
3. If it incorporates a mechanical part that acts upon a system used to
control the vehicle
a. It must Deactivate before the engine can be started
b. It must be deactivated while the engine is running
c. It must have a actuation which is a distinct and separate
function from that of stopping the engine
Where the vehicle has no mechanical anti - theft device fitted:
4. An electronic immobiliser must be fitted
Therefore, if you have a working steering lock you're OK.
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loggyboy
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| posted on 17/7/13 at 09:14 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by iank
IIRC they removed the requirement for a professional install from the IVA requirements a while back. Check the latest manual and query.
Yes indeed they did, Revision 3 of section 13a - 29-06-2009 'Remove requirement for documentary evidence of immobiliser.'
And if this is not IVA, there is absolutely no need for the DVLA to ask for one for registering the car.
Mistral Motorsport
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mr T
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| posted on 17/7/13 at 06:15 PM |
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Mine failed iva last week because no evidence to back up Yamaha key but the tester at Beverly was being tested himself
It was obvious it was a chip key and I think he would have let it go if it hadn’t been for the bloke overseeing him
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loggyboy
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| posted on 17/7/13 at 07:59 PM |
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If that was me I would have appealed as the manual is clear, its only alarms that require certification.
Mistral Motorsport
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Dave Bailey
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| posted on 17/7/13 at 09:24 PM |
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Thanks guys... I will let you know how I get on....
Dave B
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sdh2903
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| posted on 17/7/13 at 09:30 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by loggyboy
If that was me I would have appealed as the manual is clear, its only alarms that require certification.
But it does say it has to be working. How do you prove to the tester a chip key is working? My transponder fob was easy to prove take it off the key
and try to start the car. The tester was happy with this. Unless you have a spare key with no chip then your a bit stumped.
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loggyboy
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| posted on 17/7/13 at 10:32 PM |
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Its easy enough to remove the internals from a keyfob, or remove the battery.
Mistral Motorsport
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wilkingj
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| posted on 17/7/13 at 11:15 PM |
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However.....
For an imobiliser to be counted for an Insurance Discount, it will need a VSIB installers certificate.
I got a Sterling Cat 2 imobiliser off Ebay, I spoke to a friendly fitter, and fitted it within the guldlines of what he had said.
Fortunately my local Car alarm place raced a MK Indy, so were very sympathetic.
They quizzed me as to the installation that I had done, looked all over the car, and at the wiring (all hidden in the loom and covered)
and the main unit burried in the tunnel where its a real pain to get at now the car is built.
They signed it off and charged me £10 (for a a few pints)
I recon its worth doing it properly, as it is one less problem in the event of an Insurance Claim.
Also makes it a little harde for someone to steal your pride and joy.
Just my 2d's worth.
1. The point of a journey is not to arrive.
2. Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway.
Best Regards
Geoff
http://www.v8viento.co.uk
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loggyboy
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| posted on 17/7/13 at 11:27 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by wilkingj
However.....
For an imobiliser to be counted for an Insurance Discount, it will need a VSIB installers certificate.
However further.. if you go for an alarm, which needs certification, a VSIB certificate is not accepted for IVA. typically!
Mistral Motorsport
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mr T
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| posted on 18/7/13 at 07:08 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by sdh2903
quote:
Originally posted by loggyboy
If that was me I would have appealed as the manual is clear, its only alarms that require certification.
But it does say it has to be working. How do you prove to the tester a chip key is working? My transponder fob was easy to prove take it off the key
and try to start the car. The tester was happy with this. Unless you have a spare key with no chip then your a bit stumped.
This is what i did i had a spare key with no chip in it but still failed
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sdh2903
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| posted on 18/7/13 at 07:32 PM |
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I cant really see why you would fail then??
Was it the only fail point? if it was I would be appealing the decision.
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mr T
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| posted on 18/7/13 at 08:16 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by sdh2903
I cant really see why you would fail then??
Was it the only fail point? if it was I would be appealing the decision.
No but its passed now
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