grifter
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| posted on 28/7/14 at 03:24 PM |
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Will Granada 2.4 MK3 type 9 fit 2.8 MK2
HI All
Just joined here so hello there!
I am looking for some information as to the transfer of a gearbox from a MK3 granada to a late version 2.8 MK2 granada. I've checked all advice
on the difference between the type for ohc and V6 and this gearbox does seem to check out as a box for a V6 - I know sellers can get confused and say
it will fit any rear drive ford but this box is out of a 2.4 MK3.
I had heard that the manual box for the 2.3 V6 had ratios more closely associated to the 2.0 box and wouldn't suit the 2.8 so firstly was
wondering if the box for 2.4 was the same ratios as the 2.3 or was it from the 2.8 or different all together (seeing as it's ford!).
The box has the shaft protruding from the bellhousing, if you look at it side on, so that was main check from pictures I got; I also used to work on
sierras so basically recognise the type 9 box as well but obviously intricate differences I need numbers, details, advice etc. The seller is a
distance away so only have pics at the moment.
I asked seller to count the input shaft teeth and the number of teeth is 23, according to the link below this doesn't match the 2.8:
http://www.type9gearbox.co.uk/type-9-variations.html
The 2.8 MK2 box should have 18 teeth (2.3) or 19 teeth (2.8) according to this link.
I also have pics of the box numbers (will attach pics later when I get home) and wonder if anyone can ID any further info from these as to the
box's application and design.
I realise I said it was from a 2.4 MK3 and the seller specifically said this but knowing ford they probably changed the box a few times from one
suitable to an older V6 to one that won't fit, and wonder if numbers can be used to ID this!
If anyone can shed any light if I could fit this easily enough to the 2.8, and what I would need to change or source such as flywheel/clutch for 2.4,
different prop or does prop from any manual grannie fit etc.
Many thanks for any help and advice.
G
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robinj66
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| posted on 28/7/14 at 05:53 PM |
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According to the Haynes Book of Lies the T9 ratios for 2.4 were :
3.650 (1), 1.970 (2), 1.370 (3), 1.000 (4), 0.816 (5) & 3.660 (R)
The ratios for 2.8/2.9 were :
3.360 , 1.810 , 1.260 , 1.000 , 0.825 & 3.365 (R).
That link is a little confusing with ref to the input shaft teeth - it confirms what I know in that the V6 T9 gearbox had 23 teeth on the input shaft
for the Capri. This should make very little difference to fitment in any event - you would just have to choose your clutch driven plate to match.
I can't definitively confirm that the bell housing for the 2.4 would fit the 2.8 but I think there is a good chance that it would - Ford were
never likely to change the tooling when they changed engine specs (especially on the same range). Even if the 2.4 bell housing doesn't fit the
2.8, it's detachable on the T9.
HTH
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robinj66
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| posted on 28/7/14 at 05:53 PM |
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Sorry - double post 
[Edited on 28/7/14 by robinj66]
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grifter
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| posted on 28/7/14 at 08:24 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by robinj66
According to the Haynes Book of Lies the T9 ratios for 2.4 were :
3.650 (1), 1.970 (2), 1.370 (3), 1.000 (4), 0.816 (5) & 3.660 (R)
The ratios for 2.8/2.9 were :
3.360 , 1.810 , 1.260 , 1.000 , 0.825 & 3.365 (R).
That link is a little confusing with ref to the input shaft teeth - it confirms what I know in that the V6 T9 gearbox had 23 teeth on the input shaft
for the Capri. This should make very little difference to fitment in any event - you would just have to choose your clutch driven plate to match.
I can't definitively confirm that the bell housing for the 2.4 would fit the 2.8 but I think there is a good chance that it would - Ford were
never likely to change the tooling when they changed engine specs (especially on the same range). Even if the 2.4 bell housing doesn't fit the
2.8, it's detachable on the T9.
HTH
Many thanks for reply. That double confirms that even if there was a difference in bell housing, which as you say is very unlikely and I agree, then
it can be changed to suit easily enough.
G
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snapper
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| posted on 29/7/14 at 07:15 AM |
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[Edited on 29/7/14 by snapper]
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mcerd1
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| posted on 29/7/14 at 07:20 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by robinj66
That link is a little confusing with ref to the input shaft teeth - it confirms what I know in that the V6 T9 gearbox had 23 teeth on the input shaft
for the Capri.
I think your getting mixed up with the difference between 'teeth' and 'splines' 
all type 9 boxes have a 1" diameter input shaft with 23 splines (as per the link above, burtons and every other bit of info I've
found)
the only difference in fitment is the long or short input shafts - the cologne V6 bellhousing is designed to work with the long ones (so short ones
won't work with the V6 bellhousings)
the number of 'teeth' listed in the link is in reference to the gear inside the box - so obviously this affects the ratios, but not the
fitment 
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 29/7/14 at 11:48 AM |
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yeah I made the mistake years ago if fitting a type 9 with a short output shaft on to my 2.8, serious clutch vibration is an understatement! number of
splines is the same though and the clutch, spring plate & thrust bearing are identical on both units.
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grifter
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| posted on 29/7/14 at 04:01 PM |
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Luckily managed to source a 2.8 capri box so that should make things a lot easier. Just hoping now the pedal box and prop are easy enough to come by
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