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 posted on 27/12/11 at 05:36 PM |
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Clerk Punches, Knocks Out Armed Robber
Clerk Then Makes Suspect Clean Up His Own Blood 
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While they waited for police and paramedics, Mothershead gave the man a roll of power towels,
sprayed the floor with cleaner and told him to clean up his own blood.
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SeaBass
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| posted on 27/12/11 at 05:58 PM |
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In the UK he'd be charged with assault...
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T66
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| posted on 27/12/11 at 06:01 PM |
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I like his style....getting the idiot to walk into his reach. Hes good.
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T66
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| posted on 27/12/11 at 06:10 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by SeaBass
In the UK he'd be charged with assault...
I doubt he would be, as its reasonable to punch him as he has a gun, if he went on to disarm him then brayed him all over the shop, probably end up
with a charge sheet.
He would be in fear of his life (gun) and used as much force as reasonable to protect himself.
You can justify laying hands on someone (an assault) based around self defence and/or preventing crime. Its all about the fine line of how much force
you apply. If the guy was peeling spuds and knackers came in with a gun, and he stabbed him, that could be reasonable force. However sitting there at
work with a knife in your pocket for self protection wouldnt be reasonable.
However I hear your point, and wouldnt like to push my luck with all the hairy toed sandal wearers we have.
Good vid though !
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scootz
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| posted on 27/12/11 at 06:17 PM |
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And here's a satisfying batman-style baton 'THWACK' from our friends in the Swedish police! Dog handlers don't like it much
when you swing an axe at one of their babies!
Linky
PS - As I understand it, the dog was uninjured.
It's Evolution Baby!
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T66
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| posted on 27/12/11 at 06:35 PM |
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The Belgian Malinois hit quite hard - Ps nice thwack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGQWskxxLV0
I wouldnt argue with any of them, let alone the dogs.
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spiderman
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| posted on 28/12/11 at 12:19 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by T66
The Belgian Malinois hit quite hard - Ps nice thwack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGQWskxxLV0
I wouldnt argue with any of them, let alone the dogs.
They use these dogs where I work and to watch them training the dogs is truly awesome. They will take down a fit 15 stone hard man in a padded suit
even when he is braced and ready for the hit, no problem. I always used to think I would turn out on top if attacked by one dog, but not now.  
Spider
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Antnicuk
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| posted on 28/12/11 at 12:00 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by SeaBass
In the UK he'd be charged with assault...
No he would not!
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 28/12/11 at 05:27 PM |
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Originally posted by spiderman
I always used to think I would turn out on top if attacked by one dog, but not now.
I do wonder what the outcome would be if a big tough man responded to the dog's approach by attacking it, no holds barred? The man would get
hurt, but so would the dog, I suspect. I'm sure that many of these dogs win their battles because the man goes into 'victim
mode'.
About 30+ years ago a friend of mine was coming home from work on a building site when he saw a pair of dobermans lining up to attack a child. He
waded in and kicked the dogs with his big builders boots - one in the chest (broken ribs) and one in the nuts. Both dogs needed veterinary treatment.
When the dogs' owner complained to the police they informed him that he (the owner) was to be charged for not keeping dangerous dogs under
control. (I don't know what happened to the dogs in the end...)
[Edited on 28/12/11 by David Jenkins]
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iank
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| posted on 28/12/11 at 05:37 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
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Originally posted by spiderman
I always used to think I would turn out on top if attacked by one dog, but not now.
I do wonder what the outcome would be if a big tough man responded to the dog's approach by attacking it, no holds barred? The man would get
hurt, but so would the dog, I suspect. I'm sure that many of these dogs win their battles because the man goes into 'victim
mode'.
About 30+ years ago a friend of mine was coming home from work on a building site when he saw a pair of dobermans lining up to attack a child. He
waded in and kicked the dogs with his big builders boots - one in the chest (broken ribs) and one in the nuts. Both dogs needed veterinary treatment.
When the dogs' owner complained to the police they informed him that he (the owner) was to be charged for not keeping dangerous dogs under
control. (I don't know what happened to the dogs in the end...)
[Edited on 28/12/11 by David Jenkins]
I suspect if you kicked a police dog hard enough to "win" the fight you might end up falling down some concrete steps fairly soon
afterwards while "resisting arrest". The handlers get very attached to their dogs and don't take kindly to people hurting them.
But I agree in principle with your argument, probably depends who gets the first effective hit in like most human to human street fights.
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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Antnicuk
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| posted on 28/12/11 at 06:28 PM |
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i have played the role of the 'goon' during a training/public display. I wore the full sleeve gauntlet on my right arm, as all UK police
dogs are right arm trained, meaning they only go for the right arm. I then had to run off and keep running, the dog soon caught me up and and within
seconds i was on the ground and being dragged along the floor. I dont think i could have attacked the dog if i wanted to. I am 5'11" and
14 stone.
There is a big difference between a trained police dog and a couple of unfriendly guard dogs.
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scootz
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| posted on 28/12/11 at 06:41 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Antnicuk
... wore the full sleeve gauntlet on my right arm, as all UK police dogs are right arm trained, meaning they only go for the right arm....
Really? That must be a new thing... or an Engish / Welsh Police thing!
All the dogs I trained alongside attacked the arm that's carrying something, or is first presented to them (the assumption being that the
'weapon' hand will normally be the leading arm). Little point in attacking the right arm if the knife is in the left!
It's Evolution Baby!
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iank
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| posted on 28/12/11 at 06:52 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Antnicuk
i have played the role of the 'goon' during a training/public display. I wore the full sleeve gauntlet on my right arm, as all UK police
dogs are right arm trained, meaning they only go for the right arm. I then had to run off and keep running, the dog soon caught me up and and within
seconds i was on the ground and being dragged along the floor. I dont think i could have attacked the dog if i wanted to. I am 5'11" and
14 stone.
There is a big difference between a trained police dog and a couple of unfriendly guard dogs.
Think they will always go for the padded sleeve if there's nothing in your other hand - that's how they're trained.
But the key here is the dog got the first hit while you were running with your back to it. You'd lose any fight if you let the other guy jump
on you from behind grab an arm and pull hard.
But there are plenty of good reasons why fighting back against police dogs is a dumb idea.
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 28/12/11 at 07:39 PM |
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I the truth be told... I'd rather not fight any dog! Even a Jack Russell can be a nasty little s*d when roused (they're convinced that
they're rottweillers, and nothing will convince them otherwise!)
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Antnicuk
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| posted on 28/12/11 at 07:42 PM |
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That's what I was told by the dog handler as he was strapping the gauntlet to my arm although it was 13 years ago.
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Richard Quinn
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| posted on 28/12/11 at 07:47 PM |
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Dogs have an "instinct" for attacking "prey". The average human is a larger, slower target than the dog and will generally
think about what to do before doing it, even if it is the basic decision of "flight or fight". The dog already knows that it is attacking
and which body part it is going for. They also get a bit of the red-mist as can be seen in the length of time it takes some of the handlers to get the
dogs to release (Although I'm sure that if it was a real criminal and the dog was enjoying themselves it would be a shame to break it up too
soon!)
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 30/12/11 at 12:47 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Antnicuk
quote:
Originally posted by SeaBass
In the UK he'd be charged with assault...
No he would not!
Indeed under the "reasonable force" rule if someone's got a gun aimed at you you'd get away with giving them the beating of a
lifetime, as long as you're still under threat of giving the walls a new claret and "grey" effect
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violentblue
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| posted on 31/12/11 at 05:56 PM |
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I have Labrador retrievers, and as friendly as they are there have been a few times where I caught them unaware.
When they drop low (ready to leap) ears back and teeth bared while barking. its made me stop and think.
I wrestle with my dogs all the time, and it is clear that even though I can command and overpower them, its only because they let me.
a few pics of my other projects
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Ninehigh
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| posted on 31/12/11 at 07:53 PM |
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That reminds me my brother has a Staff... another Staffie attacked him and locked on.. My brother almost broke his hand punching the **** out of that
dog, and his one was bounding about like his normal self (only with half his face flapping about) on the way to the vets... Yeah they can be right
tough nuts
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