Jeffers_S13
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| posted on 19/7/05 at 07:22 AM |
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Why are oldish Jags so cheap ?
Has anyone owned one ? what goes wrong with them ? I suspect not a lot but its the thought of it going wrong that puts people off combined with the
potentially high running costs like tyres and servicing etc. ? although if servicing were done DIY then surely this can be not a lot more than your
regular A2B trolley. Petrol costs could be reduced if its been LPG converted. So then its just expensive tyres every so often and the odd ball joint
or control arm, how much are bits in general, does anyone actually know for sure ? Id so like a big Audi or Jag, you can get monster performance and
fantastic luxury for £4k ish.
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 19/7/05 at 07:27 AM |
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Hugely complicated engine servicing, and complication means lots of man-hours, which costs huge money.
10 years ago a colleague was quoted over £500 for a top-end service (tappets, etc) on a 12-cyl Jag. He was also quoted around £250 a corner for tyres
(and they don't last too long). Around 15mpg if you're a careful driver.
David
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Lotusmark2
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| posted on 19/7/05 at 07:28 AM |
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You got the nail on the head really.
If you can do the spannering yourself then things are not too bad (that said some parts are still mind numbingly expensive)
People get put off by the sub 20 mpg and to be honest the build quality on some is shocking.
All in all though I think they can give you so much more pleasure than pain that I really dont know why people potter around in escorts and the
like.
Oh and most of them are a piece of cake to work on as long as you dont have a 12 cyl!
[Edited on 19/7/05 by Lotusmark2]
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NS Dev
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| posted on 19/7/05 at 07:35 AM |
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They are brilliant cars, as long as you can live with a few faulty electrics (non critical ones)
My brother bought a low mileage 1992 XJ40 3.2 for £1200 last summer. It was superb, had a couple of electrical gremlins with the heaters but we soon
sorted them out.
The things to watch for are oil pressure, it's often sluggish on the gauge, but more often than not it's the gauge sender at fault! They
rust in odd places on the door tops, bonnet and bootlid, so watch for that. There are a vast number of bushes to wear out in the suspension and they
do tend to wear, so look for some evidence that they have been changed, or that they don't need changing.
Finally, and MOST importantly FULL JAG SERVICE HISTORY.......never buy one without. All the good ones will have it so don't even bother looking
at one that doesn't (even my brother's £1200 one had full Jag history)
Lastly, there's a lot of utter crap on Ebay, we looked, and could not find one decent one on there, but then found one locally for less than the
crap was fetching on ebay!
Oh yes, they aren't slow either, my brother's 3.2 24v (auto) one was significantly quicker than my 2.9 XR4x4 at anything above 50mph, and
was dead level with it off a standing start!
Oh yes, fuel consumption, well it averaged better than my XR4x4 too!!! Jag managed to average 22 mpg during the time we had it, and that was generally
getting the living daylights thrashed out of it (so satisfying to see the looks on people's faces when a couple of 20 somethings blast past
their BMW in an "old man's car"!!!! )
My sierra only manages to average 19mpg!!(driven similarly, binary throttle)
Get one for a bit, make sure it's a really good one, and you'll absolutely love it.
It is the one car that actually made me feel LESS tired at the end of a long journey than when I got in the damn thing!! 120mph cruising in near
silence is amazing, and they just feel indistructible!
infact, dammit, think I'm going to have a look on autotrader for a 4 litre sport one now!!!
[Edited on 19/7/05 by NS Dev]
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Jeffers_S13
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| posted on 19/7/05 at 07:47 AM |
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Have a look on ebay (blatantly overlooking advice given above !) I did this morning, did my usual LPG search as I do now and again, usually after
filling my car up with Morrisons finest 86.9 per litre I notice as I check when I leave after feeling robbed, I notice the LPG price and nearly cry.
There is always the odd Jag on there, todays one was an XJ6 sport at £1500, of course no bids yet, its all black and no chrome and has cream leather,
its right down south though. It is luuurrvely...there is also an almost identical one on autotrader only 23 miles from here ! Put a private plate on
it and people will think you are the Mayor, this more recent shape hasnt 'aged' yet.
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NS Dev
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| posted on 19/7/05 at 07:59 AM |
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unfortunately ebay is now blocked at work (don't you just love american employers!)
I'll have a look tonight.
I do love the later XJ40's, superb cars, just a shame about the small number of build related niggles that they all seem to have, but hey ho,
you could buy a renault I suppose!!!!!!
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Lightning
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| posted on 19/7/05 at 08:15 AM |
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I had two jags as company cars. The first was an XJ40 Sovereign and the he second a X300 XJsport. The latter was miles better. The shape is near
enough as they are today. It was reliable and when I stopped using the main dealer, not too bad on servicing (This was a Classic jag specialist who
was much better as well)
Both had fuel c.22mpg. The first had TDX tyres at approx £250 each though the X300 was approx £115 per wheel.
The ride was superb and I averaged 100mph through France.
I was going to change to LPG but with the change in the co. car tax it had to go.ie: the new price of the car £36.000 x 35% is what you have to pay
tax on EACH year
Incidentally the Main dealers charge for the big service and discs on the front was £1100+ 7years ago!!!!!
[Edited on 19/7/05 by Lightning]
Steve
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liam.mccaffrey
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| posted on 19/7/05 at 08:41 AM |
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ppc did a feature on the jag v12
good engine but horribly expensive to service
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NS Dev
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| posted on 19/7/05 at 08:49 AM |
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I would never suggest getting a V12 jag, unless I was given a couple of fuel tankers to go with it!
The straight 6 jags are plenty quick enough and use much much less fuel.
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Andrew+dad
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| posted on 19/7/05 at 09:52 AM |
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if it is the newest shape and hasnt aged yet i dont kow about the xj sport because thats the supercharged 4.2 litre one but we have the 4.0l one not
that old actually S reg i think gets good mpg and not too expensive to run most expensive tyres weve had was about 200 a corner but that was because
we Really needed them and it was 3 in the morning on a sunday lol we were about to go to france and dad thought ill check the tyres and realised they
were illegal and the french are strict on it usually about £100 a corner maybe a bit more bu we always shod it with pirelly p6000's
weve also had a P reg i think it was might have been older mpg not as good around 20 and my dad doesnt hang around was a good car but the pointless
plastic bits always fall off the bottom at about 140mph and a new rear bumper + the chrome trim is the wrong side of £1000 as we found out when a
chav hit it up the back.
weve also had one that was quite a bit older with the round headlights in a square hole dont know what year possibly an F reg xj6 was a nice car
less legroom then the newer ones but with the v6 it had better economy but the older engines were less efficient so it was still early 20s
not really had HUGE bills on anyof them apart from aircon on the old xj6 it died in sicily (things never go when you dont need them do you)
wat ive seen on this thread appears to be the rumors that pup people off and what ive said is what ive experienced actually living with the cars and
they dont really match up in some areas all i can say is if you get a newer one the chances are it will judder a bit braking down through 50 (so not
very often <<winks>>
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Snuggs
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| posted on 19/7/05 at 09:58 AM |
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I bought a 93 XJ12 6.0l in march.
Best car I have ever had.
Full service history and a stack of bills from Jag main dealers .
Full 15000m service from an independant Jag garage cost me £265 which for a v12 is very reasonable.
I was told that the engines are a lot more reliable than most people think.
Fuel consumption is 9 mpg around town and 17mpg on a run.
Better mpg cruising at 80 - 85 than 70
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NS Dev
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| posted on 19/7/05 at 12:50 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by NS Dev
They are brilliant cars, as long as you can live with a few faulty electrics (non critical ones)
My brother bought a low mileage 1992 XJ40 3.2 for £1200 last summer. It was superb, had a couple of electrical gremlins with the heaters but we soon
sorted them out.
The things to watch for are oil pressure, it's often sluggish on the gauge, but more often than not it's the gauge sender at fault! They
rust in odd places on the door tops, bonnet and bootlid, so watch for that. There are a vast number of bushes to wear out in the suspension and they
do tend to wear, so look for some evidence that they have been changed, or that they don't need changing.
Finally, and MOST importantly FULL JAG SERVICE HISTORY.......never buy one without. All the good ones will have it so don't even bother looking
at one that doesn't (even my brother's £1200 one had full Jag history)
Lastly, there's a lot of utter crap on Ebay, we looked, and could not find one decent one on there, but then found one locally for less than the
crap was fetching on ebay!
Oh yes, they aren't slow either, my brother's 3.2 24v (auto) one was significantly quicker than my 2.9 XR4x4 at anything above 50mph, and
was dead level with it off a standing start!
Oh yes, fuel consumption, well it averaged better than my XR4x4 too!!! Jag managed to average 22 mpg during the time we had it, and that was generally
getting the living daylights thrashed out of it (so satisfying to see the looks on people's faces when a couple of 20 somethings blast past
their BMW in an "old man's car"!!!!)
My sierra only manages to average 19mpg!!(driven similarly, binary throttle)
Get one for a bit, make sure it's a really good one, and you'll absolutely love it.
It is the one car that actually made me feel LESS tired at the end of a long journey than when I got in the damn thing!! 120mph cruising in near
silence is amazing, and they just feel indistructible!
infact, dammit, think I'm going to have a look on autotrader for a 4 litre sport one now!!!
[Edited on 19/7/05 by NS Dev]
I wasn't being critical, see comments above!
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steve_gus
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| posted on 19/7/05 at 07:27 PM |
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the XJ saloons are cheaper than XJ-S coupes.
I can say from experience that the V12 is wasted in an XJ-S due to the shyte 3 speed auto. The 3.6 is slightly faster in some guises.
my 1989 5.3 HE V12 did 13 mpg if you even thought of using the throttle, 15-16 if you went gently, and 20 - 21 on a run.
generally expect 15mpg.
In the case of the 6 cyl, not only is there the option of the faster manual (all v12 xjs are auto) the suspension is set to be stiffer and more
'sporty' (relative term).
The servicing isnt that special, just that there are 12 spark plugs and the front 2 need the air con pump moving to get at them!
atb
steve
[Edited on 19/7/05 by steve_gus]
 
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mark chandler
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| posted on 19/7/05 at 08:18 PM |
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fantastic cars for the money, I have run a few XJS's in the past.
V12 XJS auto, thisty as hell but red lines at 7000 rpm, 90 in first gear. Engines are easy to work on just time comsuming. Make sure the head gaskets
are good.
4.0 sport manual XJS, faster than the V12, economy 23 - 27 mpg on decent runs and very fast.
4.0 auto XJS, did not like this, the gearbox kills the engine, dulls it compared to manual.
3.6's just do not have the grunt of the 4.0 litres so avoid those, for a car this old you need to go as late as possible.
If I was to purchase one now it would be a 6.0 litre, something about 12 upfront, turbine smooth drive and sound. Sod the economy !
Parts are cheap and plentiful, David Manners mail order. Make sure you get a facelift, as the bodies are galvanised + they look much better !
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 19/7/05 at 08:21 PM |
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jags make great banger cars when fitted with a ford V6, loads a bending room...................
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steve_gus
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| posted on 19/7/05 at 09:08 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mark chandler
fantastic cars for the money, I have run a few XJS's in the past.
V12 XJS auto, thisty as hell but red lines at 7000 rpm, 90 in first gear. Engines are easy to work on just time comsuming. Make sure the head gaskets
are good.
thats not what I found with my TH400 gearbox 5.3 litre.
65 in first
100 in second
supposedly 152 in third.
redline was at 6,500 - totally academic as the auto would always change at 5k, which is normal for the car.
I went for the v12 as i wanted the top model with the nice engine. If I chose again it would be a 6 cyl. My v12 did 0-60 in about 8 secs which is
pretty crap for a 300hp car. The 230hp 3.6 manual was listed as 7.5 to 60
atb
steve
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