i appreciate we all have our own opinions on which is best and why. i have a sierra 2.0 dohc engine and box an old xflow engine and box but at present not convinced with either, i have a book chassis and would like to fit the smallest body work style. just wondering on how or what others have done i/e engine and box set ups. martin
2.0l XE mate
Crossflow over DOHC every time for me. Its lighter, more tuneable, a lot smaller and arguably more reliable as well. Keep an eye out for bargain tuning bits and you can build yourself a nice motor. I am not using the standard box though, I'll be using an RS2000 box and bellhousing.
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2.0l XE mate
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Originally posted by Mr G
2.0l XE mate
Muchos money mate.
Zetec. Light cheap and easily tubeable and loads about.
Xe's are good but theyr older and would need a rebuild before fitting and getting more scarce.
[Edited on 15/4/05 by Danozeman]
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Zetec. Light cheap and easily tubeable and loads about.
[Edited on 15/4/05 by Danozeman]
And most have done just as many, if not more miles than most XE's (as most have been powering repmobiles/taxi's about...)
"jump in bhp up to the 170/180 mark"
Not with an Mk2 Cavalier dizzy you won't.
I don't think an XE or Zetec will fit under standard, ie book dimension, bodywork without a fair bit of work/expense.
Mick
of the two engines you have i would fit the x flow.
Thats a true point mix i failed to mention. For Zetec u will have to use a higher nose cone and im sure the same applies for XE??
As Jon said above thou the x flow is the easiest option and can be good..
I would use the cross flow in preference to the twin cam, another twin cam worth considering is the Toyata 4AGE . Not much bigger than the crossflow ?
I have a crossflow - one major factor in its favour is that maintenance is really easy - it's a big boy's Meccano set. It's fairly
compact and easy to fit in a Locost. There's also a wide range of Ford gearboxes available for little money. Buying spares can be
'interesting', although places like Burtons have just about everything you need for everything from a service to a full overhaul - at a
price. They'll even sell you the parts to make a completely new engine from scratch! Expect to pay many thousands for that option, though.
It fails to be an economic choice if the engine is knackered, as you can say goodbye to at least £500 for a decent rebore, pistons, rings, crank
re-grind, and so on. And that's before you can think about tuning! At that price a ready-built x-flow from Vulcan starts to look very
economical, and you get a warranty.
And for that money, you're a long way towards a bike engine, or an almost new car engine like theToyota 4-AGE (which will give you heaps of
power unmodified).
rgds,
David
What about a lovely bike engine...
I've got a lovely 2004 Yamaha Fazer 1000 engine (slightly detuned R1).....and it would fit nicely..., the carbs and airbox sit differently to the
R1..much lower...
mucho more money though
A good standard Toyota 4age will leave a tuned crossflow standing.
It's just as light,compact and very tuneable.
An xe will fit under standard bodywork bonnet/nosecone no problem - don't even have to run it without a timing cover of shave the lip off the top
cam cover.
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No problems with ground clearance & large speed humps/slopes either.
When the the xe was rolling roaded the operator said that the dizzy setup (no vac/ spring not modded) was up to the job for putting out decent
horses.
Ok add £15 to make it £30 for a second hand mbe 906 running the original wasted spark vauxhall coilpacks. As it was O/E on the early caterhams running
45's that should be up to the job
Cheers
G
135BHP Xflow+Type 9 Gearbox+Low Bodywork
Forgot to mention - the Xflow makes a particularly fine noise when booted*... does it for me every time!
David
* Like I did this afternoon when I passed a neighbour and felt like showing off - my engine's running in just nicely
[Edited on 16/4/05 by David Jenkins]
thanx for the replys folks, however i must say this thread ought to run and run, intresting to see some of the replies so far dont get me wrong! i am looking for guidance and if time and money were not a problem i wpould go 4age or st 100 pan euro bike engine, however t&£ are a serious restiction.Further more as this is my first build sva and mot and ultimately turning the key and taking the kids for a spin around the cotswolds" and getting back" is my goal, bhp 0-60 etc are not at the fore front, i get that from my 1200 bandit. So my intention if possible in true book form is complete the car for as little £ as poss. I am intigued by the engine combinations and which way to go? theres more mondeo power in the local scrap than pinto theres more pinto than v6 or 4age theres aquite a few mr2 or daihatsu 1.6 most look like my wife!!! trust me you would,nt . keep the info coming please. martin
Rover V8.
Cheap as chips, (I) reckon reasonable consumption with right diff, incredibly strong and very very basic, enough power as standard and shedloads of
torque.
My chassis is +4" and apart from the steering column route, it was quite an easy fit. Not so sure about standard width chassis, though know
it's been done.
ATB
Simon
For time and money go with the crossflow you have. Tried and tested, easy and cheap to fix, cheap to tune and about the size of a small thing that's small.
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For time and money go with the crossflow you have. Tried and tested, easy and cheap to fix, cheap to tune and about the size of a small thing that's small.
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Forgot to mention - the Xflow makes a particularly fine noise when booted*... does it for me every time!
Just a pity I broke mine and
dropped a VX in ive just picked up a 2l ecotec out of vectra sri with all ancilaries, 43k miles, £250.
Paul
130bhp XR3i 1.8 zetec.
fits under the luego panels with no problems. We fitted the mondeo plastic manifold with a 2lt throttle body. Standard EEC IV ( probably replace with
an emerald ecu at some point ) and jobs a gooden. instant throttle response, smooth stable idle at 900 rpm, lots of over run pops .
lovely!
picked it up for under £100. east to maintain, easy to diagnose. easy easy easy!
I was offered an ST170 Focus engine with only 600 miles on the clock. So in I jumped...... Now I have the headache of getting it to run. I didn't get an ECU and even if I had It would be a nightmare to get going with all the sensors on a Focus. I think you should also buy one then betwen us we might actually get them running. Probably wish now I had bought a bulk standard 2.0 zetec but it will all be worth it in the end if I actually get the variable valve timimg working etc.
Paul,
What is the tranny setup with the Ecotec? Over here (western side of pond) I've seen some for few dollars, but they are all fwd. Can you give
out any overall dims?
Does anyone know how the Ecotec compares with the Ford Duratec 2ltr?
My plan was to get a Duratec and trans from a Ranger or Mazda pick-up, but then I saw that a 200hp/200ftlb supercharged Ecotec was available as a
crate engine for ~3900USD. This made me wonder about getting one from a wrecked Saturn Redline - it might be inexpensive hp/torque. I'd have to
spend quite a bit on the Duratec to get there.
I would have to overcome the "it just don't seem right" predjudice against a Chevy engine in a locost. Maybe if I think of it
as a Vauxhall...
Regards,
Mr. "still in CAD, but the storage shed's done" Pete
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An xe will fit under standard bodywork bonnet/nosecone no problem - don't even have to run it without a timing cover of shave the lip off the top cam cover.
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No problems with ground clearance & large speed humps/slopes either.
When the the xe was rolling roaded the operator said that the dizzy setup (no vac/ spring not modded) was up to the job for putting out decent horses.
Ok add £15 to make it £30 for a second hand mbe 906 running the original wasted spark vauxhall coilpacks. As it was O/E on the early caterhams running 45's that should be up to the job
Cheers
G
Bodywork is 'Ron Champion Motor Company' - So I don't think your going to get anything more 'book' 
We've been here before Dev :
HERE
Ground clearance in that thread may look like it would cause a problem on the road but it has'nt at all - And we are speed hump city down
here.
Cheers
G
a bellhousing to fit the ecotec to a ford type 9 is approx £170, or a Vauxhall Omega gearbox can be used as they were fitted with the same engines,
but there are no gearkits for the omega box.
i will measure the engine tonight.
Paul
nobodys mentioned volvo yet ?
the turbo needs a slight chassis mod . but would be overcome with a wider chassis than book .
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mj.slater2/enginefits.JPG
anyway , i would stick with the x flow its simpler etc , altho if you want more power , id suggest a more modern power plant .
volvosport,
I had that diagonal in the drivers footwell, but found it fowled the pedalbox i was using, how are you getting round this? top mounted pedals? and
what about a heal rest/plate?
cheers,
Ned.
This is the bit where I chip in with.......
Rover K series. So light that it's bolted into the chassis just to stop it flying away.
103bhp may not be a huge amount, but that's from a bog stock 1.4
It appears that the one in my GTM has the measure of the 1640 xflow on webers in my old car / Brian's new car.
Second hand caterham cams and ecu take this up to 128bhp - still at 1400cc.
I know - mucho money. Only it's not - it can all fit under standard bodywork using the standard plenum and throblle botty 
ned , havent worked the pedals out yet , but most likely will be floor mounted with cylinders in the engine bay, theres actually space for em there !
. either that or ill mount cruciform box - but that seems over engineering again
most of the volvo pedal box etc (including the car ) is over engineered , and not really suitable .
so really ill just cut the bugger out !
Did I mention Alfa.
They make a lovely 3.0 V6.
As for the sound of a crossflow, has anyone heard them alfa V6 engines purr.
Surely the easiest / cheapesy way has to be the sierra lump and all the melarky that goes with it.
Should still bring a look of horror to the kids faces
[Edited on 18/4/2005 by Trev Borg]
On ebay: "This reworked DOHC ecotec engine features steel crankshaft, oil-cooled pistons, a Roots-type supercharger and an air-to-water
intercooler for maximum efficiency. With up to 12 pounds of boost from the Eaton blower, the force-fed engine develops a healthy 205 horsepower and
200 pound-feet of torque. A low restriction 2.25-inch exhaust system keeps the gases flowing. The bore is 86.00 mm and Stroke 86.00 mm with 9.5:1
compression ratio 205 Horsepower @ 5600 RPM and 200 lb-ft @ 4000 RPM torque."
1 day left, no bids, starting bid 1900 USD. Any opinions on price per hp?
Paul does this look like yours? And do you know offhand who does the bellhousing?
I'm not going to bid on this particular one, so if anyone in the U.S. is interested, go for it.
Regards,
Mr. Pete
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I thought it was one of those new centreless air pulleys, but I'm willing to be proven wrong...