sgraber
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| posted on 15/5/04 at 10:49 PM |
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How's this looking? Opinions
Made some changes to the rear flank based on comments received. I am going to print with this shape barring any major issues. Comments?
more renders at my website.
Steve Graber
http://www.grabercars.com/
"Quickness through lightness"
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Alan B
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| posted on 15/5/04 at 10:51 PM |
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Pile of crap...
(Steve knows I'm joking.. )
Yep, nice...like it a lot..
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Alan B
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| posted on 15/5/04 at 10:58 PM |
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Now make it.....
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sgraber
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| posted on 16/5/04 at 12:00 AM |
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Thanks Alan..... yes, yes, building is next.
But funding first... 
I have arranged to have the sections printed on a large scale plotter. Much more accurate than my original projection plan.
Graber
Steve Graber
http://www.grabercars.com/
"Quickness through lightness"
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pbura
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| posted on 16/5/04 at 04:17 AM |
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It'll work! 
I think the shape is outstanding. There are a few radiuses, chamfers, and bulges that I think are extraneous, but then again, I'm practically
Amish in my tastes
Pete
Pete
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leto
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| posted on 16/5/04 at 07:19 AM |
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Very good! I get an impression of power and style.
Have a little t rubble to understand the size, do you have a render with a driver seated?
Good luck with the funding.
“I'm gonna ride around in style
I'm gonna drive everybody wild
'Cause I'll have the only one there is a round”. (J. Cash)
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Peteff
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| posted on 16/5/04 at 09:03 AM |
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Me too.
It looks long and narrow like a single seater with the driver in the middle to me. Other than that, it reminds me of something but I can't think
what.
[Edited on 16/5/04 by Peteff]
yours, Pete
I went into the RSPCA office the other day. It was so small you could hardly swing a cat in there.
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derf
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| posted on 16/5/04 at 01:10 PM |
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You are missing something, where is the forearm-light support bracket?
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Dale
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| posted on 16/5/04 at 03:48 PM |
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I never said anything about the last pics as they were not exactly my taste and did not want to say anthing negative, But this is beautifly done.
You can see how form has followed fucntion. Only comment I could say is that the side ducting seams to end rather short or the angle does not seem
right. I am guessing that it has to end roughly there so the suspension is not intefered with. Over all a very nice design that I would be proud to
drive myself (very)
Dale
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Spyderman
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| posted on 16/5/04 at 06:26 PM |
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Overall impression is good, but I don't like the mix of radii and sharp angles. Either soften the sharp angles in the side vents or put a slight
crease along the radius curves. The radius between side and top being most conspicuous.
The rendering gives the impression that the front wings(fenders) are almost pointed toward the outer edge. Not something that I like, but that is
probably just personal preference!
As I mentioned previously, the front valence/bumper section looks like it has been borrowed from another car. Can't you do something with the
flat areas on it? Blend the contours down into the valence please? 
Other than all the criticisms it looks great!!!
Terry
Spyderman
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crbrlfrost
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| posted on 16/5/04 at 08:21 PM |
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Looks pretty nice to me, I rather like hard edged styling. I did have one little thought though, and it may just be a lack of rendering, but does the
front of the side duct have any opening into the front wheel well? The reason for asking is that the reason it is done on racing and super-cars is to
vent the high pressure regions from the radiator and the turbulence behind the spinning wheel along the side of the vehicle, rather then over the top,
or worse, the bottom. If not it may be able to keep the look with body colored perforated sheet. But thats just a thought. Hope it all comes together
for ya, been cool to see. Cheers!
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JoelP
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| posted on 16/5/04 at 08:46 PM |
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Well done Mr G, looks wonderful to me, nowt needs changing IMHO. Ive not been keeping up with it recently, do you have any plans about the headlights?
and are the tail lights in the pictures as they will be? they look nice.
all good sausage!
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sgraber
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| posted on 16/5/04 at 09:52 PM |
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Good, thanks guys. I appreciate the votes. I will just say that the 3D model does have some faults in it that aren't worth my time fixing but
will be addressed in the physical buck.
Terry, I think that the fenders will look somewhat like your avatars' (Porsche), but a bit flatter across the tops. I am going to design the
front bumper in-situ too hard to design in 3D but I agree with your comments. My wife thinks that the front fender looks like a mattress. PeteF, the
cockpit opening is 120cm (48" wide, the body of the car is 162cm wide. The body therefore extends about 18cm wider than the cockpit opening on
each side. It's pretty low and wide. JoelP, the taillights are 2004 Jeep Liberty turned sideways. You can see more about these at my website
diary (including my soon to be famous 'forearm tailight brackets' that Derf so kindly mentioned.  ). Headlights will be similar to Alan
B's Hella units with moulded perspex covers.
I was at my office this pm dumping a load of trash into the industrial dumpster bin (illegal but WTF) and I happened upon 20 pieces of 48"x
24" x3/8" (10mm+/-) mdf. Just right for the basis of my buck!
Steve Graber
http://www.grabercars.com/
"Quickness through lightness"
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Alan B
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| posted on 17/5/04 at 12:32 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by sgraber
......(illegal but WTF).......
Steve, I already suspected your law abiding nature was questionable after my visit...
It WAS fun though, so as you say...WTF...
Oh BTW, I made another piece of my body mold today...
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sgraber
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| posted on 17/5/04 at 02:04 AM |
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btw- I am currently getting drunk as a skunk... Gotta love those russians, inventing vodka/ Gonna hurt tomorrow, but WTF right?
Graber
Steve Graber
http://www.grabercars.com/
"Quickness through lightness"
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sgraber
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| posted on 19/5/04 at 03:03 AM |
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Wow Alan, you are really making some nice progress there! I love it!
I made one last animation, just adding a human (6"0' [2m]) figure and some minor body tweaks to reassure myself that I am actually ready
to build. Barring any knockout revelations that's it. It's off to print
BTW - My humanoid 3D model was naked, (and happens to look a little Iraqi! ) so I placed a bag over his wanker area... hehehe
http://www.newtier.com/graber/mid-engine/videos/balayellow.avi
It's 1.6Megs 640x480 WM9 so unless you are on broadband, you should download before viewing.
Graber
[Edited on 5/19/04 by sgraber]
Steve Graber
http://www.grabercars.com/
"Quickness through lightness"
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pbura
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| posted on 19/5/04 at 03:19 PM |
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Just had a look at the video, and the car looks terrific! Forget what I said about excess ornamentation, if you haven't already.
Had a thought concerning the air intake: how about molded horizontal slots (4-5 of them) with rounded ends? I think they would look good following
the side angles you already have.
And you may be onto something with those inflatable shorts on the android. Ever considered a career in fashion design?
Pete
Pete
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sgraber
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| posted on 19/5/04 at 04:42 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by pbura
Just had a look at the video, and the car looks terrific! Forget what I said about excess ornamentation, if you haven't already.
Had a thought concerning the air intake: how about molded horizontal slots (4-5 of them) with rounded ends? I think they would look good following
the side angles you already have.
And you may be onto something with those inflatable shorts on the android. Ever considered a career in fashion design?
Pete
You said something earlier? j/k
Are you referring to the front front intake, or the side intakes?
Fashion Design? I design clothes for cars, not men... I'll leave that to those 'fellas' that bat for the other team... j/k
again.
Graber
Steve Graber
http://www.grabercars.com/
"Quickness through lightness"
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pbura
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| posted on 19/5/04 at 07:23 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by sgraberAre you referring to the front front intake, or the side intakes?
I meant the front intake, but you could pick up the theme on the sides, too. Might not look bad at all.
Trying to think of cars with a similar look, and can't come up with any. All the better, maybe
LOL at the fashion industry. I'll consider wearing something new after it's been around long enough to prove it isn't a fad. Like
20 or 30 years
Pete
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Alan B
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| posted on 19/5/04 at 08:31 PM |
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Steve, nice animation...shows off the shape well...
I agree I'd go for it at that.....do any minor tweaking as you go.......looks good to me...
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Noodle
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| posted on 20/5/04 at 08:13 AM |
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Like Pete, it reminds me of something but I'm struggling to put my finger on it.
Square on, the back looks a bit current MR2
 , but the side-profile wedge shape (not wedge in the
perjoritive) familiarity is bugging me now
Cheers,
Neil
Your sort make me sick
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gjn200
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| posted on 23/5/04 at 06:48 AM |
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Front looks like a Ferrari 360 and the rear like one of the lambos ( not a bad thing)
[Edited on 23/5/04 by gjn200]
<- Me!
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Spyderman
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| posted on 23/5/04 at 04:21 PM |
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Hey Steve, what's the reason for not posting this thread in the Mid engine section?
We need as much help as pos to encourage these heathens that there is an alternative to front engine rear drive!
Ducks for cover!
Terry
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sgraber
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| posted on 24/5/04 at 02:52 AM |
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Ahh yes... I like to spread the seed of mid-engine-ness far and wide. (hmmm) ... So I thought I would expose myself to a different crowd.
Seriously though, The more opinions I got before I set the design in stone, the better. I like the mid-engine forum, but honestly, it gets ignored by
a lot of the chaps.
I made some great progress on the bodywork this weekend and I will resume posts in the mid-engine section. It's pretty dead over there right
now.
Graber
Steve Graber
http://www.grabercars.com/
"Quickness through lightness"
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Jeffers_S13
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| posted on 26/5/04 at 07:03 AM |
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Hello,
Great website, I spent hours looking at it the other day, my boss wouldnt be impressed...
Your project is very interesting, what process do you have in mind for creating the bodywork ? I have bought numerous books recently covering
composite and glass work and it looks incredibly dauting on a project the size of a car. How many pieces will the body be in ? Im not sure how far
down the line you are, are you still at the stage where you are trying to get it to look right ?
Also, what software did you use to create the 3D model, is/was it easy to use or is this a tool you use daily for work or something ?
Sorry for all the questions, but you are one heck of an inspiration and your diary is very useful, one of the only ones that covers EVERY singke
detail considered from the very start, keep it up ! Im dying to see how the bodywork stage goes, wish you were a year ahead of where you are now so I
could read on ! its like waiting for a new book to come out or something...
Thanks
James
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