ali f27
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| posted on 19/8/12 at 04:16 PM |
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hill climb question
Hi would like to do the odd hillclimb in the f27 when new engine finished now to the problem i have aeroscreen form when i built it blue book says
windscreens are free but such as harewood say a road car must have screen anybody solved this problem without having to swoop screen for events could
build different cage and run in race class but its a road car just want to run it where it should be, or are there some venues where aero screens are
allowed
Cheers ALI
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loggyboy
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| posted on 19/8/12 at 04:22 PM |
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I would expect the kit will fall in to the Sports Libre Class.
Mistral Motorsport
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steve m
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| posted on 19/8/12 at 04:54 PM |
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Take the no plates and tax off, then it becomes a race car, and not road legal ?
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daniel mason
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| posted on 19/8/12 at 05:26 PM |
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kits are not alwaysy sports libre,and if you were to go in sports libre class you may be against some exotic machinery. road going specialist
production cars maybe,
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AdrianH
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| posted on 19/8/12 at 05:45 PM |
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There is a lot of this especially with the Northern Speed Championships and sprint series.
You are thinking your kit is in the 2A or 2B
Road going kit, Replica and space frame cars. Up to 1700cc (Car derived engines) is 2A.
Road going kit, Replica and space frame cars. Over 1700cc (Car derived engines) is 2B.
Motorcycle engines is 2C.
The unfortunate thing is later in the regs it says classes 2A and 2B must have a full windscreen 2C does not.
So I think the answer would be to put it in 3F or 3G.
Modified kit. Replica and space frame cars. Up to 1700cc (Car derived engines) is 3G
Modified kit. Replica and space frame cars. Over 1700cc (Car derived engines) is 3H.
I also find this a complete ache, I am sure they are not really thinking if the 7 type cars when they think of this a 2C car with Hayabusa engine can
be providing a lot more BHP then many a car engine.
Entering in classes 3F or 3G can also mean you are up against some very quick machines not designed to be on the road but it would give you a go.
I am in the same situation as I can not understand the rules and my road going kit car has no screen and I was not considering fitting one.
Perhaps in time they will change the regs and the more question them the more chance of change.
Adrian
[Edited on 19-8-12 by AdrianH]
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ali f27
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| posted on 19/8/12 at 05:52 PM |
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Thing is its only for fun we have race car for compitition if i run as race car will have to build new rollcage as my hoops dont comply with blue book
since building f27 i have had an ambition to compete in as many things as i could with it i am looking to do a tarmac rally at some point dont think i
can jack it up enough for forest stage but will have a go sometime hillclimb sprint should have been the easy 1 think i just want to prove what its
possible to do with a kit. Try to enter harewood in 2009 with it but hit aeroscreen rollcage probs then must be local rules as blue book deff says
windscreens are free when i tried in 2009 harewood said it gave me 14% advantage made me laugh as thier was my 1.8 pinto and 2 5.0 litre tvrs in the
class i would have needed 10 aeroscreens to keep up not looking to be competative just a bit of fun.
Sorry i missed you at classic show dan mark said you came by for crack little blade cars going to be nice
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daniel mason
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| posted on 19/8/12 at 05:59 PM |
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it is nice! did he say my uncle was kicking off about the £12 entry fee? he drove us all back out into the pedestrian car park to get in for £6
instead! hes a tight farmer type and refused to pay! i was laughing my head off.lol
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ali f27
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| posted on 19/8/12 at 06:04 PM |
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Hi Adrian we run race car in 3g 2.3 duratec if you have front or rear facinging bars on your roll frame and a race log book for your car you could
race in 3 f or g and on slicks if you like i am not botherd about getting my arse kicked road car is 100 kgs heavier than race car just want to take
it up to be able to say its had a go dont think you or i want to try and cheat just want to find a class to run in
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skydivepaul
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| posted on 19/8/12 at 06:04 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ali f27
Thing is its only for fun we have race car for compitition if i run as race car will have to build new rollcage as my hoops dont comply with blue book
since building f27 i have had an ambition to compete in as many things as i could with it i am looking to do a tarmac rally at some point dont think i
can jack it up enough for forest stage but will have a go sometime hillclimb sprint should have been the easy 1 think i just want to prove what its
possible to do with a kit. Try to enter harewood in 2009 with it but hit aeroscreen rollcage probs then must be local rules as blue book deff says
windscreens are free when i tried in 2009 harewood said it gave me 14% advantage made me laugh as thier was my 1.8 pinto and 2 5.0 litre tvrs in the
class i would have needed 10 aeroscreens to keep up not looking to be competative just a bit of fun.
Sorry i missed you at classic show dan mark said you came by for crack little blade cars going to be nice
what engne are you running?
harewood hillclimb are very tight on the rules for kit cars.
i used to compete in the auto66 championship with my R1 Indy and i was in the road going kit car class - happy days
we had one event at harewood and i was always reclassified into the sports libre class - motorcycle engine and no windscreen.
try the auto 66 as they are really easy going and have plenty of events at good circuits
http://www.auto66.com/hill-climb-championship.htm
cheers Paul
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JimSpencer
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| posted on 19/8/12 at 07:04 PM |
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Hi
Don't confuse Blue Book regs with local event / championship regulations they are not always the same - clubs can and do restrict the basic
regulations to suit their local championship requirements.
Your car 'should' be in Road Going Specialist Production, which would be classes 2A, 2B, or 2C (as mentioned above) but most of the
venue's and regional championships in the North West insisit that most road going cars should have a windscreen - You make think this is daft -
but that's currently the way it is.
(i found this a PITA for years too)
But it's not all venue's - Harewood is out on a limb compared with the other classic hillclimb venue's on this one, Loton Park /
Hagley Club (Shrewsbury), Shelsley Walsh / MAC Club (Worcester) and Prescott / Bugatti (Cheltenham) don't.
Pick an event at any of those 3 locations, enter it into the relevent '2' class and it'll be fine.
In addition any other events outside of the North West probably won't have this rule either - but you would need to check with some of our
southern competitors on that one!
HTH
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beaver34
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| posted on 20/8/12 at 07:56 AM |
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i also have this issue, i want to use mine for sprints and hill climbs and is a 99% car used on the road but found it strange that if you had a
roadgoing bike engine you didnt need a screen but a car engied did?
how big does the screen have to be?
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JimSpencer
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| posted on 21/8/12 at 05:29 PM |
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Hi
A full sized windscreen as you would expect to find on a 'locaterfield'.
The following is 'as explained to me' don't shoot the messenger:-
The situation has come about due to the class not being 'kits' but 'specialist production' which also includes Kits.
The production BEC's (westfield, Caterham) came without screens
The production CEC's from the same manufacturers (i.e. their basic models) did come with screens.
IMHO this Was probably about right - but things have moved on and the SVA / IVA situation where the test is SO much easier without a screen should
have moved this goalpost, plus the manufacturers have changed what they do too.
Indeed most of the country has got rid of this now, and it's basically 'if it's road legal..' but the North West region
hasn't quite caught up yet - but this will be discussed for next season - Or so i'm lead to believe
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iank
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| posted on 21/8/12 at 06:10 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ali f27
Thing is its only for fun we have race car for compitition if i run as race car will have to build new rollcage as my hoops dont comply with blue book
since building f27 i have had an ambition to compete in as many things as i could with it i am looking to do a tarmac rally at some point dont think i
can jack it up enough for forest stage but will have a go sometime hillclimb sprint should have been the easy 1 think i just want to prove what its
possible to do with a kit. Try to enter harewood in 2009 with it but hit aeroscreen rollcage probs then must be local rules as blue book deff says
windscreens are free when i tried in 2009 harewood said it gave me 14% advantage made me laugh as thier was my 1.8 pinto and 2 5.0 litre tvrs in the
class i would have needed 10 aeroscreens to keep up not looking to be competative just a bit of fun.
Sorry i missed you at classic show dan mark said you came by for crack little blade cars going to be nice
Check the regs for the rally you want to try, many require a roof and full cage,
also possibly a rather large amount of ballast to meet minimum weight!
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