Hi guys i'm looking into putting a reverse gear set up on my MK Gsxr using the starter motor setup and toothed gear on the propshaft, ive been onto MK and they do a kit for £350 inc vat supplied only plus fitting if required etc...

Now i was wondering basically whats involved in fitting this, so ive a few questions if anyone can help me please
Q1, mk stated its a modified starter motor that when cranked turns backwards instead of forward (can you just not mount starter other way round ??)
Q2, where is the starter mounted in relation to the car, (i'm struggling to see where it can fit at all space wise)
Q3, Has anyone got any fitting pictures of location and mounting and stuff they can email me please...

barnsey1971@aol.com

thanks for reading Rob

Have seen starter supplied from mk been modified with axe not impressed

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Originally posted by ali f27
Have seen starter supplied from mk been modified with axe not impressed

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The sprocket is fitted between the diff and propshaft with the starter mounted either on top or below the prop. Have a word with AB performance, i haven't seen one but he says he has a reduction gearbox fitted to the motor and they are cheaper than MK's.

[Edited on 13/6/10 by Davegtst]

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Originally posted by neo2
Hi guys i'm looking into putting a reverse gear set up on my MK Gsxr using the starter motor setup and toothed gear on the propshaft, ive been onto MK and they do a kit for £350 inc vat supplied only plus fitting if required etc...

Now i was wondering basically whats involved in fitting this, so ive a few questions if anyone can help me please
Q1, mk stated its a modified starter motor that when cranked turns backwards instead of forward (can you just not mount starter other way round ??)
Q2, where is the starter mounted in relation to the car, (i'm struggling to see where it can fit at all space wise)
Q3, Has anyone got any fitting pictures of location and mounting and stuff they can email me please...

barnsey1971@aol.com

thanks for reading Rob

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40 inches,, where did you get the drive sprocket for the propshaft made or did you buy the whole kit...

rob

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Originally posted by neo2
40 inches,, where did you get the drive sprocket for the propshaft made or did you buy the whole kit...

rob

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i'm up in durham just been looking at the pictures of yours and the you tube video,

What starter motor did you use ? vag but off what car etc...

then i assume you made the brackets to mount it etc..

what car is your fitted too please..

Been in touch with HPC and they can supply the gear like yours for the propshaft for £121 all in...

So i think i will order one of those, The VAG starter what model is it of golf/polo etc etc..

seems the mk4 golf starter is a common one

This is the one I used:
9T 1.1KW GR M8 N
LRT00177

Cross Ref:
0001121006
0001121007
020911023F
020911023T

You can get them new on the Bay for around £50-£100, they fit all these models, so are relatively easy to find;


AUDI A3 1.6 00-02

AUDI A3 1.6 98-00

AUDI A3 1.6 AT 98-01

AUDI A3 1.8 AT 98-03

AUDI A3 1.8 AT 98-01

AUDI A3 1.8 Turbo AT

AUDI A3 1.8 Turbo AT 00-03

AUDI A3 1.8 Turbo AT 98-00 9T

AUDI A3 1.8 Turbo AT 98- 9T

AUDI A3 1.8 Turbo AT 99-00 9T

AUDI A3 1.8 Turbo AT 98-03 9T

AUDI A3 1.8 Turbo Quattro AT 98-00

AUDI A3 1.9 TDI AT 00-03

SEAT Alhambra 1.8 Turbo AT 98-00

SEAT Alhambra 2.0 AC AT 98-00

SEAT Alhambra 2.0 AT 00-

SEAT Alhambra 2.0 AT 98-00

SEAT Cordoba 1.6 96-02

SEAT Cordoba 1.6 AC 96-02

SEAT Cordoba 1.8 96-02

SEAT Cordoba 1.8 AC 96-02

SEAT Cordoba 2.0i 95-96

SEAT Ibiza 1.6 99-02

SEAT Ibiza 1.6 00-02

SEAT Ibiza 1.6 99-00

SEAT Leon 1.4 99-00

SEAT Leon 1.4 16V 99-02

SEAT Leon 1.4 16V AC 99-02

SEAT Leon 1.4 16V AC 99-02

SEAT Leon 1.4 AC 99-00

SEAT Leon 1.6 99-04

SEAT Leon 1.6 16V 00-02

SEAT Leon 1.6 16V AC 00-02

SEAT Leon 1.8 20V AT 99-03

SEAT Leon 1.8 Turbo 00-01

SEAT Leon 1.8 Turbo 00-04

SEAT Toledo 1.6 99-

SEAT Toledo 1.6 98-

SEAT Toledo 1.6 98-02

SEAT Toledo 1.6 16V 00-02

SEAT Toledo 1.6 16V AC 00-02

SEAT Toledo 1.8 20V AT 98-03

SKODA Octavia 1.6 98-02

SKODA Octavia 1.8 Turbo 98-04

SKODA Octavia 1.8 Turbo 4x4 AT 00-04

SKODA Octavia 1.8 Turbo AT 00-04

SKODA Octavia 2.0 AT 99-02

VW VOLKSWAGEN Bora 1.6 01-05

VW VOLKSWAGEN Bora 1.6 02-03

VW VOLKSWAGEN Bora 1.6 98-01

VW VOLKSWAGEN Bora 1.6 98-05

VW VOLKSWAGEN Bora 1.8 Turbo 00-05

VW VOLKSWAGEN Bora 2.0 AT 98-05

VW VOLKSWAGEN Golf III 2.0 95-97

VW VOLKSWAGEN Golf IV 1.4 00-01

VW VOLKSWAGEN Golf IV 1.4 97-

VW VOLKSWAGEN Golf IV 1.4 99-00

VW VOLKSWAGEN Golf IV 1.4 AC 00-01

VW VOLKSWAGEN Golf IV 1.4 AC 98-

VW VOLKSWAGEN Golf IV 1.4 AC 99-00

VW VOLKSWAGEN Golf IV 1.6 97-

VW VOLKSWAGEN Golf IV 1.8 AT 97-98

VW VOLKSWAGEN Golf IV 2.0 AT 98-05

VW VOLKSWAGEN New Beetle 1.6 99-00

VW VOLKSWAGEN New Beetle 1.6 AT 00-05

VW VOLKSWAGEN New Beetle 1.8 98-01

VW VOLKSWAGEN New Beetle 1.8 99-04

VW VOLKSWAGEN New Beetle 2.0 AT 98-05

VW VOLKSWAGEN New Beetle 2.0 AT 98-01

VW VOLKSWAGEN Polo 1.6 95-97

VW VOLKSWAGEN Polo 1.6 95-97

VW VOLKSWAGEN Polo 1.6 AC 95-99

VW VOLKSWAGEN Polo 1.6 AC 95-97

VW VOLKSWAGEN Sharan 1.8 Turbo AT 98-00

VW VOLKSWAGEN Sharan 2.0 AC AT 98-00

VW VOLKSWAGEN Sharan 2.0 AT 00-

VW VOLKSWAGEN Sharan 2.0 AT 98-00

top man mate scanning ebay tonight and local motor factors etc..

Last question 40inches

What way did you wire it in for a curcuit via relay etc etc do you have to press any switch first ie like a safety device etc..

I have 2 batteries, a bike battery and the smallest 330ca car battery I could find,this is in the passenger foot well, with a full ally bulkhead/footrest, a split charge relay takes care of charging.
The live feed from the car battery goes through a 150amp continuous mega fuse to the motor.
Another smaller live goes through a relay switched by a feed from the ignition switch, then through another relay switched by the neutral switch ( you still awake?) then through a small lever switch (that is, it will when I have made it) then on to the starter solenoid.
I am still toying with the idea of switching the solenoid with a switch on the clutch pedal, leaving both hands free and making an easy clutch to brake pedal movement as a go/stop system. I think it would be more natural that way

[Edited on 17-6-10 by 40inches]

Spur gear has arrived

Had to drill the 4 holes for the diff bolts but its defo nice quality manifacturing..

Couple of questions again though if you dont mind please..

Q1, did you have to space out inner trim panels any ?
Q2, Did you have to use longer propshaft securing bolts min will only be as far in as the back of the flange no threads poking through etc..
Q3, Did you put a support on the rear of the starter motor as well..

thanks Rob

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Originally posted by neo2
Spur gear has arrived

Had to drill the 4 holes for the diff bolts but its defo nice quality manifacturing..

Couple of questions again though if you dont mind please..

Q1, did you have to space out inner trim panels any ?
Q2, Did you have to use longer propshaft securing bolts min will only be as far in as the back of the flange no threads poking through etc..
Q3, Did you put a support on the rear of the starter motor as well..

thanks Rob

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Thank mate, you have been most helpful...

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Originally posted by neo2
Thank mate, you have been most helpful...

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Neo2 do you have the mounts already on the chassis for the starter? Mine came with the mounts fitted for the MK reverse setup but £350 is a bit too much for me. Do MK use the same VW starters?




[Edited on 8/7/10 by Davegtst]

No mate mine was'nt there so i did the the same as 40inches in fact i copied his specs 100% hope they wernt copy righted lol...

Save a lot of work like if they are already there, aligning and setting up and welding has been a bit of a mission to be honest as my car is fully built up..

Brackets done and welded in now though..

Neo, when you fit the motor you need 6thou of back lash. I cut off a 3thou feeler gauge from a set, shaped it around one tooth on the spur gear, placed it on a gear tooth on the starter motor (you need to extend the gear and lock it in the extended position with a cable tie) then adjust it on the bracket until it is tight, turn the spur gear until the feeler drops out. Done
I should say that the pressure angle on the spur and motor gear are different, the VAG gear is none standard bar stewards but, because of the low running time in reverse I was advised by HRP that it wouldn't be worth having a spur made to match, £240, it will be a bit noisy that's all

[Edited on 9-7-10 by 40inches]

Davegtst, in my photo archive you will find a drawing of the VAG starter motor, check it against the brackets on your MK, I could make it fit
The starter and spur gear shouldn't cost more than £200

Thanks for all your help. I'll try and order a gear in the week. At worse all i'll have to do is grind of the MK mounts and get the other brackets made up and welded on.

I hope i've just ordered the right one. The gear, vat and carraige came to £161 !!!

'Fraid so, £120+p&p+vat makes your eyes water! I tried,but couldn't find anyone else who made them any cheaper.
If you had a lathe, the gear blank is around £60 I think.

I got mine for £156 3 weeks back as they matched the pre price increase price..

Got my sprocked painted and fitted and i'm in the process of modifiying and mounting the starter. MK have changed the width of the tunnel, mine is 110mm inside of the tunnel chasis rails compared to the 99mm of yours. Because of this your brackets may need altering but it does leave plenty of room around the sprocket and tunnel sides.

Mine is all fitted and working Made up a little bracket to fit and even a cover for underneath. Works very well although it is a bit noisey.

Some good pictures there mine is very very similar but still have the floor cover to make to cover the solenoid sticking out the floor..

so if u do this your self how much do they cost for all the parts

It's cost me £214 for the sprocket and new starter motor. You can get cheaper used starters which are probably fine but virtually everything else on mine is new so i paid the extra. At £214 it's still £136 cheaper than MK.

Mine cost the same £214 for starter and sprocket but spent another £50 ish on cable switches and relay and fuse and holder etc..

thank u

Dave,

Do you have the Part No. of the starter you used in the end, I've found loads and don't know which one to go for!

Scott

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Originally posted by s6otty
Dave,

Do you have the Part No. of the starter you used in the end, I've found loads and don't know which one to go for!

Scott

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my fiend work as an cnc machinist if anyone would like a gear made for reversing systems. he made mine and its fitted.

Im just wondering how to wire the reverse up.. considering I have my switch located do i simply run wires to the starter soleniod or do I need a relay ???

I.e. if u simply connect + and - to soleniod will this then push the gear into working position and turn the motor ??

TIA Alan

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Originally posted by tompat3463
my fiend work as an cnc machinist if anyone would like a gear made for reversing systems. he made mine and its fitted.

Im just wondering how to wire the reverse up.. considering I have my switch located do i simply run wires to the starter soleniod or do I need a relay ???

I.e. if u simply connect + and - to soleniod will this then push the gear into working position and turn the motor ??

TIA Alan

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Originally posted by tompat3463
my fiend work as an cnc machinist if anyone would like a gear made for reversing systems. he made mine and its fitted.

Im just wondering how to wire the reverse up.. considering I have my switch located do i simply run wires to the starter soleniod or do I need a relay ???

I.e. if u simply connect + and - to soleniod will this then push the gear into working position and turn the motor ??

TIA Alan

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What's wrong with just getting out and pushing

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Originally posted by Johneturbo
What's wrong with just getting out and pushing

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Originally posted by adithorp

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Originally posted by Johneturbo
What's wrong with just getting out and pushing

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Nothing if you've already got registration... but the IVA man won't accept that as a reverse.

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just got mine in the post from hpc gears with the use of 40inchs paperwork and that came to

reverse gear £165 del
starter motor £56.70 del from eurocar parts