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johnny chimpo - 25/4/11 at 09:47 PM

Hi guys, newbie with my first post so be gentle

Im hopefully going to be viewing a R1 engined mnr vortx this week and was wondering if anyone could give me any tips as to what to look out for with them?

There are obviously standard things you would check when looking over a normal day to day car, but what should I be checking and looking out for with a kitcar, specifically the r1 engined mnr?

Are there any common problems or faults that they suffer with and if so are they easy to spot?

Cheers for any help or tips that people give me

JC


austin man - 25/4/11 at 09:49 PM

If you see a brown mark on the drivers or passengers seat then you know its gonne be quick, welcome to the madhouse


graememk - 25/4/11 at 09:59 PM

use your eyes, if something dosnt look right, ask....

if your not sure take a photo and put it on this site and we'll take a look.


ashg - 25/4/11 at 10:01 PM

engine/gearbox is the most expensive bit make sure there are no finny noises etc. the rest of the components as with most kitcars are easily repairable/replaceable


nick205 - 25/4/11 at 10:07 PM

Welcome aboard!

Is the car advertised anywhere...Piston Heads etc?

If so post up a link and we can all take a gander (might even be a LCB member's car)


johnny chimpo - 25/4/11 at 10:29 PM

Cheers guys, yeah the car is on pistonheads.... Click Click


Might of actually missed out on this now as someone is going to view it ahead of me this week


ReMan - 25/4/11 at 10:30 PM

I do'nt think I've seen a "bad" MNr yet?


Dopdog - 26/4/11 at 06:50 AM

Did you buy it ?


Krismc - 26/4/11 at 11:25 AM

quote:
Originally posted by ReMan
I do'nt think I've seen a "bad" MNr yet?


You havent seen mine!! lol only kidding!


Krismc - 26/4/11 at 11:28 AM

quote:
Originally posted by johnny chimpo
Cheers guys, yeah the car is on pistonheads.... Click Click


Might of actually missed out on this now as someone is going to view it ahead of me this week




ive seen that car and looked around it when it was at MNR last, its a nice car, but i was thinkin how difficult it would be too get to the wiring on the tunnel!!


Wheels244 - 26/4/11 at 06:39 PM

You have a U2U


johnny chimpo - 29/4/11 at 08:04 PM

Cheers for all the help and comments guys...

Picked the car up today and drove it the 180 miles home..... still cant wipe the big smile off my face!

I will probably be posting up on here a lot more now


40inches - 29/4/11 at 08:51 PM

Well done, don't think you will regret it.


johnny chimpo - 30/4/11 at 04:18 PM

First disaster happened today

I drove the car home yesterday some 200 miles and all was good.... took it out today and didnt even manage 10 miles!

Was driving along and braked for a roundabout, the car pulled to the left and when I braked again it pulled hard to the left.

Managed to get the car pulled into the side of the road and it intially looked as if some of the wheel studs had snapped (wheel was sitting at an angle).

The caliper mounting bracket had sheared off and on further inspection once I got the car recovered to my garage it looks like something has let go on the raceleda upright?

When I stripped it down there was play in the bearing and the stub axle wasnt sitting vertical to the upright. Also the centre of the raceleda upright is chewed to bits.

Looks like I need a new raceleda upright, wheel bearing and stub axle. Im going to contact MNR on Tuesday and hopefully they can sort me out with the bits.

Has anyone had any similar issues with these uprights, and is it a common problem?

I think I will strip down the drivers side tomorrow and check it is all okay incase I need to order parts for the drivers side aswell.

I was lucky it happened when it did as it could have been a lot worse had I been giving it some stick!


Krismc - 30/4/11 at 04:41 PM

The raceleda is based on cortina, so they aint quite straight looking to start with - that said can you provide some pics so i can see what has happened - ive got a mnr with Raceledas!!


Oh look, there is some for sale in for sale section - grab them quick


daniel mason - 30/4/11 at 05:06 PM

oh dear. i had heard of some faliures with the original raceleda's but thought the problem had been sorted


Krismc - 30/4/11 at 05:10 PM

quote:
Originally posted by daniel mason
oh dear. i had heard of some faliures with the original raceleda's but thought the problem had been sorted


Thats why im asking as i bought mine in 2006!


perksy - 30/4/11 at 05:43 PM

As above

Not the first Raceleda thats let go

At least your ok and the car is relatively ok


Krismc - 30/4/11 at 05:52 PM

we still need pictures!!


johnny chimpo - 30/4/11 at 06:01 PM

I spoke to the previous owner after it had happened and he said something about problems with previous raceleda uprights cracking and failing, but I dont think this is what has happened to mine.

My car was built new by MNR in 2009 so I would hope the cracking problems would have been sorted by then as I think it was an issue from a few years previous?

Can MNR still supplie the parts im going to need, or am I going to need to trawl to find the parts I need? I was hoping to get the car back on the road for next weekend....

Just uploading a couple of pics just now.....


johnny chimpo - 30/4/11 at 06:05 PM

Car is it was once I got it back into the garage....

Pic 1

Inside of raceleda upright...

Pic 2

Another Pic of upright....

Pic 3


johnny chimpo - 30/4/11 at 06:06 PM

Can I get any better pics to show the damage better.... if so what would be best to post up pics of?


Krismc - 30/4/11 at 06:12 PM

For starters you raceledas look differant too mine, one of us has the older ones and im affraid it might be you ( as all the metal on mine has a gold tinge

And that hasnt took a few miles to get like that, its probably your 200mile trip home - i would say either a) your stub axle bolt has come loose and it worn away b) its never been tight to start with c) the compression and spacer washers are in the wrong place - like mine was - every thing was tight but the bearing wasnt fully compressed up.

You just need that part, and new bolts, washers and bearings - probably best part of £100

these are mine, unless mine are old ones??



[Edited on 30/4/11 by Krismc]


johnny chimpo - 30/4/11 at 06:15 PM

So will MNR be able to supply these bits do you think? I presume Im gona need a new upright aswell?

Also need the bracket to mount the caliper to the hub as that has sheared off as a result of what has happened.


johnny chimpo - 30/4/11 at 06:19 PM

have you got a pic of how the compression and spacer washer should be, so I could compare it to how mine was/is?


paublo999 - 30/4/11 at 06:20 PM

Mnr do replacement steel uprights that may be more appropriate. You can retain the same hubs etc?


daniel mason - 30/4/11 at 06:30 PM

i have the steel ones. i will try to dig uot a pic for you


Krismc - 30/4/11 at 06:38 PM

There's some in for sale section, or mnr can supply parts, and in exploded diagram it shows hub/stub and bearing, spacer, compression and then bolt but its actually hub/stub and bearing, compression washer and then spacer with bolt though. Ill send you a pic via email with my finger pointing to it.

[Edited on 30/4/11 by Krismc]


johnny chimpo - 30/4/11 at 06:39 PM

Cheers guys....

Just popped out to the garage and took a couple of better pics of the upright and the damage to the stub axle....


Pic 1

Pic 2

Pic 3


Cheers for the info Paul, hopefully MNR can sort me out with the bits I need. Hows the sprinting getting on, Im hoping to come along to a few events this year. Still got big Stephen helping you? (I know him from SIDC, think I actually met you at one of the SIDC track days aswell).


Thanks Daniel, if you could get a pic that would be much appreciated.....

The whole kit car thing is new to me.... just hope I can get mine back on the road asap and get enjoying it before the sun goes away again!


johnny chimpo - 30/4/11 at 06:41 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Krismc
There's some in for sale section, or mnr can supply parts, and in exploded diagram it shows hub and bearing, spacer, compression and then bolt but its actually hub and bearing, compression washer and then spacer with bolt though. Ill send you a pic via email with my finger pointing to it.


Cheers Krismc, I cant seem to view the thread in the for sale section with them.... says I need to be a contributor?

Any idea where I could get an exploded diagram of how it should all be?

Cheers again guys.... all this help really is much appreciated!


Krismc - 30/4/11 at 06:47 PM

quote:
Originally posted by johnny chimpo
quote:
Originally posted by Krismc
There's some in for sale section, or mnr can supply parts, and in exploded diagram it shows hub and bearing, spacer, compression and then bolt but its actually hub and bearing, compression washer and then spacer with bolt though. Ill send you a pic via email with my finger pointing to it.


Cheers Krismc, I cant seem to view the thread in the for sale section with them.... says I need to be a contributor?

Any idea where I could get an exploded diagram of how it should all be?

Cheers again guys.... all this help really is much appreciated!


Yea, send him a u2u and ask for details,

i cant find the exploded diagram but heres a half exploded picture.



Ive just worked out why mine are a differant colour, yours are sierra like these and mine are cortina raceleda



[Edited on 30/4/11 by Krismc]


Krismc - 30/4/11 at 06:50 PM

You may have missed the bandwagon, first ones sold

[Edited on 30/4/11 by Krismc]


johnny chimpo - 30/4/11 at 06:52 PM

Whats the name of the user selling them.... as I can see the thread in the forsale section, but it wont even show me who has posted it up because it is less than 48hours old and I need to be a contributor, I think its to do with the number of posts ive made on the forum?


johnny chimpo - 30/4/11 at 06:55 PM

Doh! looks like im not quick enough! Hopefully a phone call to MNR will sort me out... just hope its not mega expensive as I spent almost all my money for just now buying it and insuring it....


daniel mason - 30/4/11 at 08:10 PM

they will not be sierra surely? mnr have been on modded cortina for years now!


Krismc - 30/4/11 at 08:51 PM

Well I've seen a few rts with sierra uprights.


daniel mason - 30/4/11 at 09:01 PM

yeah but not a 2009 car surely? i thought sierra geometry went years ago on the mnr?


Krismc - 1/5/11 at 06:52 AM

quote:
Originally posted by daniel mason
yeah but not a 2009 car surely? i thought sierra geometry went years ago on the mnr?


Im not sure when actually, thought the RTs had sierra til at least 2008 not sure when they phased them out.


daniel mason - 1/5/11 at 09:51 AM

has the stub axle bolt snapped causing the prolem as the upright seems in tact. unless its bent. the originals were snapping! that wheel is seriously out of line so it could have bent the wheel studs or the stub axle


johnny chimpo - 2/5/11 at 09:01 AM

Been sitting thinking a lot about this since it happened.

I think what has happened is that the stub axle bolt has been loose and has allowed the stub axle to move and wear away the internal of the upright. The wheel has probably been sitting at a bit of an angle before i got the car (and i didnt notice it when initially viewing it). The 200 mile drive home has basically just killed the internal of the upright and the hub, eventually putting enough strain on the calliper to snap its mounting bracket.

Just hope mnr can sort me out with the parts to fix that side.

Im goin out now to my garage to strip down the drivers side and check its all ok.


daniel mason - 2/5/11 at 09:16 AM

check the stub axle bolt on the drivers side as well as the hub nut.
you will possibly need a pair of steel uprights, a new hub and bearings.


johnny chimpo - 2/5/11 at 04:43 PM

Cheers Daniel, stripped down the drivers side an everything is fine, looks like just the passenger side needs replacing.

Im gona do a full nut and bolt check on it over the next few days to hopefully prevent any future mishaps similar to what has happened so far.

Will post up again once I am further on with resolving...


daniel mason - 2/5/11 at 06:19 PM

was unsure if they still do the alloy version as the steel ones they do are both lighter and stronger. they also have wingstay brackets pre welded.