Whew hew.. what a day...

After spending time with both Grant at Luego and Marc at MNR... Haggling a lot, I have got myself a cracking deal on the RT+ with full Raceleda front end, Radical Spec Inboard Protech Shocks and an LSD...



It was a choice between (what I considered) a done deal on the Viento, with its spacious cabin and purposeful looks, practical for road use whenever, or a road legal track day tool which fitted me like a glove...

Neither was a bad choice, Grant's attention and service was second to none, but the drivers car won the day....

I cant wait til mid october

Good Choice

Marc and Chris will certainly do everything they can to make you happy. They produce some awesome cars...

You won't be disappointed especially with that lump in the front!

Car is coming mid october assuming I can get the engine to theirs for fitting before it goes for powder coating in time...

mmmmm yummy

can I make 900 bhp per tonne tho???

good choice !

i was lurking nearby when you ordered it, picking up bits.
(i was the fella saying 'I hope you dont choose orange!!'

cossie lump eh? bejesus, that'll shift.

you'll enjoy the build, theres some lovely improvements MNR have made to the car in its development which helps the person building it!

[Edited on 14/8/05 by Dillinger1977]

I am sure the build will be fine with Marc on the other end of the phone..

With his pedigree from racing, I am sure he has built this car to be a track tool..

Chris was great, thoroughly going through my spreadsheet and ensuring I had all the parts...

Gonna be lots of fun, to build and drive





[Edited on 14/8/05 by G.Man]

nice one matey

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Well its been a busy week, started to prepare the engine for removal, cleaned the engine loom and labelled all the connectors...

Aquired some parts from a couple of guys on the turbosport forums, namely:-

NIP 803 bosch green injectors
-34 Wastegate Actuator
Stage 3 chip, good for 350 BHP
Greddy Profec Type B II Boost controller
3.5 Inch bore downlink and muffler (from a crashed sylva phoenix)
Bailey Dump Valve

Rear brakes are off ready for blasting and painting...

Colour charts came through and managed to get the wife to agree to yellow with carbon effect front wings... woohoo

Found a local scrappy who will take shell away for free....

rest will have to wait for some assistance and that will be after my hols now...

yellow with carbon wings.........hhhmmmm

where have i seen that before

Ah back from my hols, and should have plenty of building time now, as had 2 break ins while I was away, stole my £1000+ dvd collection, and my 42inch plasma, so my only fun will now be in the garage.... They wont have much fun tho, as they forgot the tuner/control box for the plasma... lmfao stupid pykees...

Jet washed the engine today and removed the engine loom (not in that order) from the donor, so that will make the engine removal an easier/cleaner job..

what u doing for an intercooler ?

How about that bright orange that was on display at Harrogate?

Pat...

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How about that bright orange that was on display at Harrogate?

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was curious , mine will be front mounted 300 x 400 core last time i measured it .

It appears that the MNR rad is an angled instalation, and often has an oil cooler underneath...

I am going to look at either putting the intercooler under the rad and ducting the cool air thru it before it gets to the rad, or using 2 smaller intercoolers side mounted with air ducted in from the side...

Until the engine is in the car its all speculation, as I may just go for a smaller intercooler for road use, and use an aquamist system for the track...

I am remaining fairly flexible at present, and due to the sale of a few more items of "older" hobby gear, I am getting more funds together to get the engine reworked... Am looking to achieve a higher compression, faster turbo spin up, motor now... That way the engine will be nicer to drive thru the corners and wont want to kick me in the butt as I get on the power...

Still wont have much more than 350 bhp, but will be less reliant on the turbo boost for normal road use...

The next item on my agenda is Lambda controlled fueling tho....

Anyone want to buy a nice little old lady

Hello G.Man (and everyone else for that matter) .. i'm a newbie on the forum ... hoping to get my hands on building a Vortx RT in the near future.

Regarding the Intercooler. I intend on fitting a turbo'd engine also. Side mounting the intercooler could be a solution where space is scarce. However if you do a bit of homework, you'll find out that an intercooler will allow enough aiflow through it to cool the radiator. I had 3 radiators on my Celica GT4 all fitted infront of each other, and i never had any overheating trouble.

The major point you must look into is adequate airflow from the nose cone to where it counts, which is pretty much everywhere under the bonnet in a turbo unit. Remember the turbine side of the turbo will be glowing cherry red under heavy boost. So you need to figure out some bonnet vents to create a negative pressure to the rear of the bonnet, which will cause a suction effect on the nose cone duct.

That should keep things cool and enable you to mount your intercooler in the front, ahead of the radiator.

Hey Clutch

Thanks for your reply, and yes, you're right, airflow under bonnet will be critical, along with a heat shield to protect the fibreglass from the cherry red turbo...

You are spot on about the airflow thru the intercooler and then the rad, the main problem is routing the intercooler hoses to get it infront of the MNR rad, which is a particularly large model...

I have been considering ducts in the top of the bonnet/nose to facilitate an "in at the front, out at the rear" airflow but again, until the car is here and being built its gonna be impossible to decide on a final course of action...



Yesterday evenings work consisted of:-

removal of the engine wiring loom including labelling
removal of the propshaft
removal of the 2wd turbo manifold and turbo (smaller 4wd version being sourced)
removal of the starter motor
removal of a few gearbox bolts (3 more to go)





[Edited on 6/9/05 by G.Man]

all volvos come with FMIC !! - a bit industrial tho for locost use - hence the need for a custom one

piping is of course the trick , mine will be top/bottom

Well engine and gearbox are now sitting on the floor of my garage...

Was hoping to have it collected by Marc/Chris on their way to kitcar live, but thats gonna depend on the fuel situation... ie whether they will be there or not...

Once this is delivered then its just strip a few more donor parts, and then wait for delivery of the chassis kit...

Once thats sorted, I can send the engine off for its overhaul...



[Edited on 14/9/05 by G.Man]

Well today has been a mixed day...

Got my engine ready to take to brands, lots of work, still can't fit it in something so it wont damage my car en route..

Chris told me I can have a ride in the demonstrator at brands...

I'll leave you to work out which was the good news and which was the bad news...



[Edited on 20/9/05 by G.Man]

Some pics of my items to be installed in the car as it comes...




The side that gets all the heat from the turbo



The clean side.. ish



803's, -34 wastegate actuator, 3 bar MAP sensor, Bailey Dump Valve



Newly built T34 Turbo with 360 degree thrust bearing, as stock turbo had cracked exhaust housing.. sob...




3.5 inch exhaust and downpipe from turbo (off a sylva phoenix so may require slight mods...



Spanky new Fast Road Organic Clutch with heavy duty coverplate and release bearing (A bargain at £121.50 delivered)

Off to MNR at the weekend to deliver the engine allowing Marc to finish my chassis ready for delivery next month...

Chassis number 69... lol

That is gonna be one serious bit of kit...

Over 300 bhp and the demonstrator had 'only' 170... You are gonna need some big cahunas to drive this thing when it's done!

What's the approximate weight of the engine and turbo all up?

Chris.

I wouldn't use the heavy duty clutch cover if I was you unless you intend on having one leg bigger than the other. My car runs 300bhp and 4x4 and had a AP paddle clutch and group N cover, which made the clutch very difficult to control. I changed to a standard clutch cover and an AP fast road plate, much more user friendly and no slip after 5000 miles.
Have fun but be careful especially if its damp.

Cheer Mike

Thanks for the info quadra, if the clutch ends up too heavy will go hydraulic I think (only 300 quid extra... lol)

I had to replace the clutch as the oldun was clapped so this package came in at a good price (compared to plate alone) and should give some leeway on the power if I go for the 400bhp option...

Dont know the target weight of the car yet, but will expect about 80kgs more than the demo car so around 520kgs I hope...

With 350 bhp that should be 673bhp/ton compared to the 390 odd of the demo car...

Will be lively, and definate dry weather only car.... tyres will be Toyo 888's or Kumho KU15's for road legal use...

BTW, that exhaust needs a repack, its last noise test hit 108Db... lol

Well, engine is in the boot, off to MNR soon...

Be there about lunchtime all being well...

is that how much it weighs?! 300kgs?! damn thats more than i thought it would be. (like, twice what i would've guessed)

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Thanks for the info quadra, if the clutch ends up too heavy will go hydraulic I think (only 300 quid extra... lol)

I had to replace the clutch as the oldun was clapped so this package came in at a good price (compared to plate alone) and should give some leeway on the power if I go for the 400bhp option...

Dont know the target weight of the car yet, but will expect about 80kgs more than the demo car so around 520kgs I hope...

With 350 bhp that should be 673bhp/ton compared to the 390 odd of the demo car...

Will be lively, and definate dry weather only car.... tyres will be Toyo 888's or Kumho KU15's for road legal use...

BTW, that exhaust needs a repack, its last noise test hit 108Db... lol

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i think that 520kgs is a bit optomistic when you compare it to the supposed 397kg of the blade engine rt+
take off the 77kg for the blade engine and that would give you 320kgs, add on the weight of the cossie engine and box over 300kg (as claimed by you in a previous post) and that gives 620kg

still light enough when there's 300+ bhp to move you around.
i'd go for the 400bhp option though

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Yeah, 200kg's with gearbox seems more likely...

Had a great day at MNR today, they have spent a lot of time making sure the car is gonna be spot on for me...

Have added a few options to the package today, such as a Pace radiator (better than the stock BEC jobbie they do) a Digidash (tidy)... Larger 50 ltr (ish) fuel tank (with foam)...

Cant wait to start building this baby...



Gonna start at 330 ish bhp and then once I have got used to driving the beastie, upgrade to 400 bhp... maybe more...

Sounds like you got a few things sorted today Mark. Just wondering about the 50 litre tank.

What size is the standard tank compared to the 50 litre and how much extra is it? Can you fit the boot section in with the larger tank?

You'd have seen my car being built today too! Get any pictures of the workshop by any chance?

Ta,

Chris.

Hi Chris

Nah forgot my camera...

The stock tank is 28 ltrs, and with the 50 ltr tank I doubt you will get a boot on it as well...

Wheels just arrived...

good choice

Got my 888's coming from Tiger on wednesday...

205/50/14's for £82 each... not bad



Those wheels weigh in at a paltry 4.9kg's which is lighter than a lot of mag wheels at 15x7



[Edited on 27/9/05 by G.Man]

hopefully gonna weigh your engine / gearbox assembly today if i can move back still bad went to the doctors yesterday afternoon all he said was pain killers and three weeks off work like thats going to happen i get bored on one day off
will keep you posted

Nice one Marc...

will bring you a nice walking cane next time I see you (lol) then you will look like an old man proper...

If you are going to insist on working then make sure you do light work, and the pain killers will stop the rest of your back going into spasm...

What you really need to do is go see an osteopath...

J Ashley B.A,D.O
52, Harcourt Drive, Harrogate, North Yorkshire HG1 5AB
Tel: 01423 521164 Classification: Osteopaths

T.M Cree DO
100, Station Parade, Harrogate, North Yorkshire HG1 1HQ
Tel: 01423 561566 Classification: Osteopaths

They will have you sorted as quick as is humanly possible...

Managed to beat the traffic through Leeds on friday and got home in 3 hours, not bad for friday evening

So whats that weight then Marc???

Just grabbed a last minute bargain off ebay... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4577028923&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT

Paid for out of paypal balance so happy with that

top bullshit factor

back nearly ok strangely enough
it comes and goes, i can nearly stand straight now

forgot to charge the corner weight scales up so will leave them charging tonight and weigh tomorrow

Sorry if I'm speaking out of turn here, but am I the only one who thinks this thread is turning into a build diary?

Mick

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Yeah you're right.
I don't wish to spoil the first rush of enthusiasm, it's just I keep on looking here only to find some bloke with a big smile on his face

Sorry Mick

Yeah I spose it is becoming a bit of a build diary, but it is the first Cosworth powered MNR being built...

It is an area to share things about the MNR and it keeps all my questions and answers + what I am doing (which others may or may not wish to copy) in one place rather than lots of little threads...

its nice to see someone progressing too. mines ground to an almight halt due to lack of car coupons..

This is why I have purchased almost EVERYTHING up front...

That way only minor items will be required to complete, and I wont have any nasty budget surprises...

Remainder should fit on the credit card... ie sundries such as bolts, hoses, washers yada yada

Just wish I had the beans up front to be able to buy the lot to begin with! Really would simplify things...

Then again I do find I get a great deal of satisfaction picking things up cheaply... It does take a lot longer and requires a lot of patience to wait for those items to turn up (usually on ebay... )

Anyway time I got some sleep really after that pants night shift....

Chris.

Only reason I managed it was because I sold:-

3 model helicopters and all the gear

6 model cars and all the gear

1 Fazer 1000 motorbike

Raised about £11500 which has all started to disappear very quickly.. hehe

Quiting smoking will fund the rest, used to smoke 40+ a day... been off them for 5 weeks now... Thank you alan carr's easyway

Thats a coincidence 'cos I'm looking to buy a Fazer 1000 now!

Chris.

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Pah, looks like Marc forgot to charge his scales again...

Bloody useless that boy

yep totally forgot

been bending 22 sets of tubes for exhausts all day !!!!! will try tomorrow for you

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Hello, Marc?

You alive?

still struggling really badly with my back, been to a specialist but there is nothing he can do as its all bruising, the only thing that is going to help apparantley is two weeks off work
which isnt going to happen so will have to struggle on and hope it gets better soon

Hope you're gonna be okay to pilot your ZX12R engined VortX around Donington!!

If not I can always take people for test rides?

Chris.

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still struggling really badly with my back, been to a specialist but there is nothing he can do as its all bruising, the only thing that is going to help apparantley is two weeks off work
which isnt going to happen so will have to struggle on and hope it gets better soon

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Get in the freezer and get a bag of frozen peas. Drop it on your back with just your tee shirt on and stay still for as long as you can. Sweetcorn is usable as well but broccoli florets are crap .

icy heat cream you may have to order it online as it comes from amaerica but its the best thing for muscle related pain

ive been using it on my ankle and since i started the swelling has reduced and the day to day pain has almost subsided damn crappy ankle

its really good stuff though should help your back also try an ice bath just before you get into bed but make sure the bed is warming up with a hot water bottle while your in the ice bath

not very pleasant but a godsend after rugby matches and apparently good for back pain

that is if you can get in ana dout of the bath in the first place

Yup, bag of frozen peas and ice packs great for reducing swelling, getting blood flow to the tissue and aiding healing...

Rub on some ibuprofen gel to help reduce inflamation (not pain killer as such but will help)

i always ask for the gel in the pharmacy, but they never have it and say that the oral ibuprofen is just as good. Never believed them though, i remember it from the good ole days...

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my bro used to extract the codeine by mashing them and sticking it in water in the fridge. Cant remember if its the sediment or the solute that you keep, but he found it very fun!

Hey marc, any news on the weight of the motor yet

no sorry mark, got one man on holiday and two ill, and one coleecting from suppliers, plus me with a bad back and a phone that loves to ring, all i have achieved today is to weld one exhaust up

hopefully i may have some staff tomorrow in which case will try to get them to do it

hehe just asking on the off chance.. spoke to your dad yesterday, and may becoming up for a while in a week...

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Tell you what if the engine and bits has not been weighed by the time I get over there tonight I will weigh it -

Might stick the V8 on the scales and have a real laugh Depending on the outcome of the weigh in - I might even post details.

Ps first post I think, does that mean I have lost my virginity ?

regards

Iain

Hey Iain

I think your V8 might actually be slightly lighter! My gearbox may be lighter than yours tho...

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Yes dont quite understand that I must have posted them under the influence

Looks like I may be able to blag 2-4 weeks off work from next week when I hand my notice in...

If so, could get MOST of my car finished...

I'm certainly game for a laugh Iain!

Post the weight when you know it!

Chris.

Am I allowed to answer with the same accuracy as the following:-

i.e. when the doctor ask's

Cigarettes smoked ?,
Units of alcohol ?,
Portions of fruit ?,
How many times you exercise a week ?

No I want it accurate...

Haahahhaah!

You could answer to the nearest 100 kgs?

Just got my weights by u2u..

LOL

Looks like my 500kg weight target is out the window...

Come on then! Spill the beans...

122kg for the motor

40kg for the box

There is no manifold or turbo included in those weights...

So add the manifolds induction system, clutch, intercooler, looking at another 30-40kg's

Gonna be approx 550kg's I reckon...

still bloody awesome with 350bhp

may have to allow a bit more, the engine mounts, exhaust cast manifold comes to another 14 kilos, dont have any other bits here to weigh

The inlet manifold is 1.5 kgs inc all the other bits plenum etc, exhaust is heavy, about 1.5x exhaust manifold, and the turbo is less than exhaust manifold...

Should still come within the 40 kg's but then you gotta add fuel/water/oil etc...

Should be around 550kgs still...

If not its going on a diet, 4wd manifolds Light weight battery....

Okay, My life has just changed considerably...

I have just discovered I have got a 3yr contract to go and work in cyprus...

Its a good job and there is no question I am gonna take it, but it leaves me with a dillemma..

1. Complete the car in cyprus - not really practical as Cyprus has no SVA test for kit cars so would mean shipping it back to the uk for registration and sva etc

2. Abandon the project and sell the parts - Nooooooooooooo

3. Complete the car before 1st december, get it sva'd and registered, and then ship it to cyprus and use out there...

Spoken to Chris and they are up for it...

So I am off to stay in harrogate fairly soon to get this beast finished...

OMG how scary is this... kit to finish in 1.5 months max...

You are a brave man!

So you're building the kit up in Harrogate with Marc and Chris or they are building it for you?

I'd certainly be gutted to sell the car before I'd even taken delivery of the kit!

Does the car have to be registered in the UK for a certain time period first though?

Well done with the job and good luck!

Chris.

The car will need to be registered in my name for 6 months before I can get a cyprus registration....

I will be building it with an MNR mechanic... At least thats what Chris has said...

Idea is get it finished, sva'd, registered, ship it over round about march april next year before the wife emigrates, use it on UK plates with a green card, then once time limits reached, register in cyprus as a 6 month old car and re-insure with local firm...

The time between december and shipping next year, should be able to let marc and chris use the car as a show car if they wish...

It could be the loan car for when people smash up their's!

Should be one heck of a show car though.

Sounds like you've got most of the logistics sorted. Are you going to stay in one of their cottages up in Harrogate then?

Chris.

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Good luck Gman with the relocation

at least shipping the car should be cheap with the car being so light when compared to others

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This took some work, but I think you will agree it was worth it...

Well its been a busy week organising the final selection of critical parts for the build, but its finally done...

(sorry Chris for all the phone calls)

So far this week items added have been:-

B+M Quick Shifter
Bailey Swirl Pot
Bailey Breather Kit
Recon rear calipers
Miscellaneous Gaskets
New Rear Disks

I have gone so far over my budget now its untrue, but hey, its gonna be worth it right?

Sheesh how things change



Now ZX12R bike engined, will start posting some pics this week and next as the build happens...

Chassis off to powder coaters tomorrow, back friday, build starts...

This is gonna be an interesting daily driver in cyprus

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ah to slow i am

[Edited on 19/10/05 by andy d (rizla)]

Well, had a good week at MNR, Marc's family have made it a home from home.

Sadly we havent got the car started yet as Marc is such a perfectionist the chassis had to be perfect before hitting the powder coaters, so looks like Tuesday for full steam ahead..

The ZX12R motor is an absolute peach, 4,000 miles only, and all the parts are immaculate except for the genny cover which is scuffed badly (where the guy fell off). Luckily I have a carbon cover for this courtesy of Chris Norden

Should be an awesome car mate!

Make sure you take pictures at EVERY step and post them!

Good luck for the build next Tuesday. Not that you'll need it in the company that you're in...

Chris.

Got a load of pics already, but have left my camera at MNR.. doh!

Build is progressing nicely with the fuel lines in, brake lines, wiring loom, bulkheads, pedals, master cylinders and fuel tank.

Body work goes on tomorrow, then its the moving parts....

Can't believe how quickly these things go together once you start...



[Edited on 26/10/05 by G.Man]

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Good effort Mark. Looking forward to seeing piccies and the final result!

Take it easy.

Chris.

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And I dont have a wife catering for my every need..

pace dry sump kit - not easy to plumb!

the engine with dry sump


Marc and Andy weld the chassis


International Man of Mystery gets grassed...




Steve builds a front lower wishbone



dry sump pr0n



Chassis off to powder coaters



chassis back from powder coaters... 2 days, not bad for 300 mile round trip



floors in, Thanks for buggering off early Andy



Brake and fuel lines go in

Checkout that sexy front end



The rear's not bad either



Brake lines in detail


It's a miracle, marc makes the coffee's



international man of mystery and fish and chips collector shows how a floor pan is riverted in style... yeah not mine tho you goit..



Wishbones better than you pull at Christmas



engine goes in... i got wood baby





Zx12r has a real coke habit, I hope to get her sniffing petroleum fumes soon, far nice habit for an engine...



Now who's gonna sniff up my leftovers...



Oil cooler proves it can sniff with the best aeroquip fittings


Hubs on....



Diff in






Pump it baby



Loom with bonus freebie datatool evo veto alarm



Half shafts are all at an end...



Oil cooler aquires some cool mounts.



[Edited on 29/10/05 by G.Man]

I'd like to say 4 days ladies and gentlemen..

Marc has been a godsend to have on hand.. thanks marc, his mum has really looked after me as well, thanks Mary...

Lessons to learn are about supplies when you are building on a schedule and also, thinking about the jobs you can be doing when waiting for those supplies....

Lost a lot of time due to standing about when I should have been doing another project...

I hope I am not catching Mark Reynard Syndrome...

about time you brought out the pics

looking excellent, it's gonna look great in white

Unreal mate! Not many people can say they've built their car from scratch in the designer and manufacturers garage!

Not many manufacturers would allow you to either!!

Just goes to show how accomodating Marc and his family are...

Well done Mark and again enough respect to Marc and his family for sorting you out in your slightly abnormal situation.

Hope it sounds as nice as it looks! Keep the pics a comin!

Do you mind if I host the pics on my site under the 'misc' section?

And if Marc's reading this, do you mind if I host the Build Manual for others to read also?

Take it easy,

Chris.

P.S. Cheeky little cameo by G.Man in this pic...



Can you spot him?

Chris

Go ahead and host the pics, or I have the full 1600x1200 versions if you prefer



Regards


Mark

4 days.. impressive!

Note the collosal 50 litre fuel tank with baffles and fuel cell foam...

Should be good for about 1000 miles lmao

Things to watch out for...

1. Make sure you put the rear master cylinder on the offside of the car, Don't ask..

2. Remove as much powder coat as possible on bolt holes, mounting flanges bearing seats etc etc..

3. When fitting a 7.5 inch diff you MUST remove the backplate of the diff, dont struggle for ages like I did...

4. Gravi Gard covers any metal parts, fully clean or not and can be over painted

5. Do as much as humanly possible before fitting bodywork

6. Have a seat on hand to sit down when doing some jobs, your back will thank you, especially if you are over 6 foot...

7. Have post it notes handy to write reminders

8. Do a job/project list for each day with parts you have available, you don't have to follow the order in the build manual, in fact leaving the upper scuttle panel (the one the battery mounts into) until last before the bodywork, will afford you greater access to lots of areas.

9. If you are fitting a quaiffe reverse box, dont run the fuel/brake lines down the centre of the tunnel Like I have, it will make life difficult later

10. when running brake/fuel lines, wiring, double up on multiple p-clips per rivet, makes for a tidier instalation and less drilling hassle.

11. If you are considering a torque resiliant tube prop, discuss it with Marc, as he will be able to give you more room in the chassis (if its required) as the prop is 2.5 inches in diameter...

PS. What do you think of the 100% round tube chassis and the new front end?



[Edited on 30/10/05 by G.Man]

Hey Mark,

Yeah the full res pictures would be nice. When you finish you could slap them all on a CD then bust us a copy I'll put them all up. If that's cool with you?

1. Make sure you put the rear master cylinder on the offside of the car, Don't ask.

When you say offside, do you mean the right hand hole of the two in the pedal box?

3. When fitting a 7.5 inch diff you MUST remove the backplate of the diff, dont struggle for ages like I did...

What diff are you using? 7.5 inch Granada? What Ratio?

4. Gravi Gard covers any metal parts, fully clean or not and can be over painted.

What's Gravi Gard, when it's at home? What are the uses of it?

10. when running brake/fuel lines, wiring, double up on multiple p-clips per rivet, makes for a tidier instalation and less drilling hassle.

Is this still possible if coupling fuel and brake lines down one side of the transmission tunnel? i.e. Would it not get in the way of the centre bearing/reverse box?

11. If you are considering a torque resiliant tube prop, discuss it with Marc, as he will be able to give you more room in the chassis (if its required) as the prop is 2.5 inches in diameter.

Am ordering a TRT prop. Hope it'll fit in the chassis I've got...

The round tube chassis looks like sex on a stick! Absolutely awesome! Got the last split round/RHS chassis. Maybe it'll be a collectors item in 50 years??

Looking sweet bud...

Chris

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Originally posted by Winston Todge
Hey Mark,

Yeah the full res pictures would be nice. When you finish you could slap them all on a CD then bust us a copy I'll put them all up. If that's cool with you?

1. Make sure you put the rear master cylinder on the offside of the car, Don't ask.

When you say offside, do you mean the right hand hole of the two in the pedal box?

3. When fitting a 7.5 inch diff you MUST remove the backplate of the diff, dont struggle for ages like I did...

What diff are you using? 7.5 inch Granada? What Ratio?

4. Gravi Gard covers any metal parts, fully clean or not and can be over painted.

What's Gravi Gard, when it's at home? What are the uses of it?

10. when running brake/fuel lines, wiring, double up on multiple p-clips per rivet, makes for a tidier instalation and less drilling hassle.

Is this still possible if coupling fuel and brake lines down one side of the transmission tunnel? i.e. Would it not get in the way of the centre bearing/reverse box?

11. If you are considering a torque resiliant tube prop, discuss it with Marc, as he will be able to give you more room in the chassis (if its required) as the prop is 2.5 inches in diameter.

Am ordering a TRT prop. Hope it'll fit in the chassis I've got...

The round tube chassis looks like sex on a stick! Absolutely awesome! Got the last split round/RHS chassis. Maybe it'll be a collectors item in 50 years??

Looking sweet bud...

Chris

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Just arrived and looks like the Auto Electrician has made some great headway looking at how much of the loom has been stripped off...

Nice Job Gary

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Looking good after 6 days build time...

Its the nigly little jobs that slow you down

mmmmmmm toyo r888`s

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Looking good Doctor

I love those R888s, definately my weapon of choice.

About £85 a pop still?

Rgds

Rich

£82 each from Tiger Racing

slow day today as was at the SVA with Marc on another customers car, but blitz day on mine tomorrow, so should see some action...

Wiring is almost complete and we have starter and spark which is a good sign...

all the electrics that have been wired are working so fingers crossed when I finish it off we have some action...

finalise gear linkage tomorrow, turn the reverse box around to move the gearlever to the rear of the box and then rest of bodywork, brakes finished off, dry sump tank in and a few p-clips then finally the water plumbing...

Fingers crossed..

Well, not as much progress today as I would have liked, rear wheel arches on, gear linkage finished, bit more plumbing done...

Had to turn the reverse box around as the lever fouled the chassis...

Cycle wings fould the wheels as they are too wide...

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Rear Arches are on, rear lights on the wings still need to fit num plate light, reverse and fog lights..

Gear Linkage finished, engine wiring finished, some plumbing started...

Frint prop arrives monday, rear torque resiliant tube prop in, and VERY tight fit, only 2-3 mm clearence ate present so we may have to mod the tunnel very slightly just to give more clearence...

Progressing nicely, wont be long now
Enjoying the updates, keep us posted
Rgds

Rich

Yeah its not bad at all... Spent 2.5 hours wiring and fitting the rear lights on saturday morning, and only managed 4 lights fitted and only 2 wired... its surprising how much time the finishing touches take...

I would say its taken about 68 hours from me so far and about 10-15 from MNR staff not including the time Marc himself has spent on it doing the techie stuff... (geometry, rear wishbones, front suspension etc)

One thing to watch out for is the wheels tho...

My ET37 (designed for ford apparently) 7x15 inch wheels foul the fron cycle wing brackets so Marc is having to make some custom ones...

I would suggest staying away from 7x15 wheels or using a smaller offset, say ET18 peugot size if you want to persist with them...



PS. The headlights are on, but not tightened yet, they are droopy making the car look sad... I am sure it will be happier when its finished... next week?

[Edited on 6/11/05 by G.Man]

Lookin awesome bud!

Hope them headlights start looking as happy as you do in some of those piccies!

Keep them piccies acomin...

Chris

its coming on very nicely!
let me know how to wire the reverse box up to the reverse light when you get around to it.

Roger

the sender is on the side of the reverse box and there should be 2 wires conveniently position if you have placed your loom correctly...

looking for a kit heard of mnr put in google cant find details web site anything anyone got any info or help or pics can you email please

steven.taylor1@btinternet.com

thanks

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Roger

the sender is on the side of the reverse box and there should be 2 wires conveniently position if you have placed your loom correctly...

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Ah, well there should be a black and a red/yellow I think...

Cant remember now as my tunnel is in..

and seats, and belts, and scuttle panel, and interior panels...

just checked, my loom has no connections nearby, and the 'instructions; make no mention of it. any comments, marc?

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just checked, my loom has no connections nearby, and the 'instructions; make no mention of it. any comments, marc?

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Ah, well there should be a black and a red/yellow I think...

Cant remember now as my tunnel is in..

and seats, and belts, and scuttle panel, and interior panels...

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Camera Battery is flat...

Its on charge, will post pics soon

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Lights on and working



Interior Finished



Few decals make the back end more pleasing

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Please G-Man, Don't do a 'Rizla' with the stickers - It will ruin the power to weight ratio

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You're not driving it hard enough then!!. Do you actually think they'll have time to read em before you're just a speck on the horizon

[Edited on 10-11-05 by Hellfire]

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Originally posted by Hellfire
You're not driving it hard enough then!!. Do you actually think they'll have time to read em before you're just a speck on the horizon

[Edited on 10-11-05 by Hellfire]

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some quick pics of how it looks today

nose is fixed as is scuttle and all wiring, bonnet just resting on as are cycle wings
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and another
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and finally
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Looking awesome guys!

Are those front cycle wings a new design? Were mine that encompassing Marc?

Just curious...

Chris

Hi can you take some pics of the black car next to yours as I just want to imagine what mine will look like. Bryan

Just wow...

Nice work Marc



Think that grill needs to be darker... black I think...




[Edited on 11/11/05 by G.Man]

i was round MNR yesterday for a natter, had a look at your car in the flesh.
looks great so far! the zx12r looks miles bigger fitted than the diddy r1.

(ians is definately the 'black sheep' of the family. lol a huge black v8 sitting in a room full of --3-- !! white BEC's. never seen so many in one place in my life! )

Chris, your cycle wings should be the same I think..

Mountings will be different for the sierra uprights tho...

Well, just packing up for my flight to Cairo, fly back on the 18th, then up to Marc's again to finish the pre-sva stuff for the 23rd...

Cant wait

hi brian

yep will take some pics of ians car today for you

chris
your wings should be the same ???

mark
should have your car done by tuesday hopefully apart from sva trim bits etc and exhaust

Wicked...

Marc, go and enjoy the weekend with Kate...

it looks absolutely great. agree about a darker grill but it looks stunning. nice work.

any pictures of the dash?

To be honest I haven't had a chance to look at the cycle wings yet. Still prepping garage down in Bristol before bringing the car down from Reading.

Absolute torture waiting to start!

Chris.

Hello MNR builders
I have my VortX RT+ almost finished , today I have had my first serious test drive , the 2004 R1 engine is really outstanding . I only think that the 3,14 diff. is too long , I am thinking about putting a 3.62 in , that still gives me a 132 mph theoretical topspeed.
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Looking really nice Martin.

I fancy black myself I think.

Rgds

Richie

Martin, I have a 3.62 diff in my 1998 R1 engined VortX and it seemed fine on my trip to and from the SVA test.

A bigger numbered diff will give more acceleration in each gear but will give a lower top speed in each gear. You will also have higher revs at a given speed. At morotway speeds, the revs will be 15% higher with a 3.62 diff compared with a 3.14.

I intend to use the MNR for trackday use and racing mostly , so I don't bother much about cruising rpm . For cruising I use my 180 horsepower Zetec engined Westfield.
But thanks for the tip anyway.

That looks like an awesome bit of kit Martin! Welcome to the forum by the way...

Any chance you have some more pictures of the build? Or a build diary?

I'm trying to build up a web based resource of as many MNR customers builds. Any chance you could send a few pictures (as many as you can!!) to my address? chris@cwalter.plus.com

Thanks mate and enjoy the car!

Was it hard to install the 04 R1 then? Loads of electrical probs?

Chris.

hi Martin, welcome to the forum and welcome to the MNR area )

your car looks awesome! I always like them with full roll cages on

@ Winston
I'll mail the pictures that I have to you , I don't have a build diary.
I collected the kit (2 kits actually) last February , 1 RT+ and a RT and brought them over to Holland , that's were I live.
The almost finished car is chassisnr. 13 and the other one is #14.
#14 will get a 200hp Ford Duratec engine
and I sold this kit to a friend of mine.
I didn't have any electrical problems at all , but I bought the engine cpl. with CDI , cyclelock and wiringharness. I took everything out of the harness that wasn't engine related , exept for the cyclelock , the fired up at the first attempt.
Good luck to you all at the MNR forum and of course to everybody at the Locustforum to and good luck with your builds and cars.
Martin

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I collected the kit (2 kits actually) last February , 1 RT+ and a RT and brought them over to Holland , that's were I live. Martin

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Don't you mean "Isn't that Vierd" {/goldmember]

really like the full caged look, hardcore

Yeah, he says schtrange as well...

Anyway, the other zx12r car passed SVA today...

Fingers crossed for mine now..

With Marc in charge can't see it being an issue tho...

G.Man, I'm not an expert in English humor and my apoligize for grammatical errors , but if you try to post something in Dutch , then I can probably have a good laugh.
Good luck with the build of your car , pictures look well.

Martin, you have to watch Austin Powers, Goldmember...

Yours also looks ace...

ive just noticed that this is creeping up the 'longest running threads' list.

and lets keep it up there

Back from cairo now, so full steam ahead for SVA on thursday morning...

Marc sorted the exhaust headers yesterday, I finished a few minor jobs and started a few more..

Just finished preparing car for tomorrows sva, up at 5.00 to get to beverley...

Night Night all

good luck mark

must be a record! good luck.

Building up the suspense !!!

Was the midnight finish worth while ?
Has it passed ?
Record build time ?
BEC MNR passing SVA at first attemt ?
was it the mild mannered Janitor ??

I Know the answer - but its a secret !!!!

I am sure Mark will update us in about 1hr.

Agriv8

IT PASSED....

Sailed the emissions test...

Few minor "fix on the day faults" that we must have accidentally missed...

But here we go...

Start to finish in 4 weeks with a 1 week trip to cairo inbetween

Congratulations Mark,

Complete success story then

Any chance of the bits and bobs you fixed on the day, Im sure they would be useful to note for future Vortx SVAs.

I think its not only credit to you for a superb fast build but also to Marc for such a straightforward design. It seems to me, MNR owners have far few problems come SVA time and those they do have are more engine related (good to hear the 12R is no bother) than corrections required to the design.

All looks good for the future, cant wait to get my finger out and get the whees in motion.

Rgds

Rich

[Edited on 24/11/05 by RichieC]

Well Done Marc,

First car to go through at first attempt if I am not wrong ( no mean feat !! for any Kit car ). Ps I will hold you to those beer tokens

Credit to all involved plus the MNR crew.

How long for the SVA bits to fall off.

Regards

Iain

The SVA bits have strangely fallen off and a carbon flip screen and racetech mirrors now sit where those cack mirrors were..

The MNR "front bumpers" are off next, saved a lot of time in radius and nut checking... (pics to follow)

The fixes on the day were some nuts and roll pins to lock the brake bias bar, deliberately left off so we could lock it once they had agreed brake bias figures...

1 cable tie

Steering self centering..

That was it...

Oh and a leaky brake light switch..

A lot of thanks to Ian for the help last night, up til midnight to change a faulty handbrake cable, and Marc for his invaluable assistance...

Now we just have to sort out why the rear hubs are binding..

Thought it was a clapped LSD but disconnected the shafts and its the hubs... the diff is tight, but not that tight...



And yes, first MNR car to go through first attempt so far via MNR... think one other on the forum tho...



[Edited on 24/11/05 by G.Man]

great to hear it passed with no problems got any finished pictures?

Will be interested to see the bumper.

How did you cure the self centring? Tweak on the suspension or tyre pressures?

Rgds

Rich

Well done. Another one has overtaken me.

By front bumpers, do you mean indicator extensions? My SVA man said that a lot of people fit their indicators high and on long stalks to exempt a larger portion of thier suspension from the radius checks. I simply covered all edges with rubber trim.

congrats! (swine.. )

one of these days i'll finish mine.. any time before the sunny weather next year would be nice..

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great to hear it passed with no problems got any finished pictures?

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I would just like to say a big thanks to Marc,for working too hard to help me including getting out of bed at 4.15 this morning to drive me to the SVA test in horrendous conditions, Iain (agrav8) for his help til midnight last night to replace a binding (faulty) handbrake cable, Steve and Andy from MNR for their help with finishing off (4 hours overtime in a freezing workshop) and Ian the SVA tester, who was both thorough in his examination but helpful with advice on the last 3 SVA visits I have had at the test centre..

MNR have put themselves out massively to help me get my car sorted, they deserve the praise you guys have been giving..

Live up to my expectations?

No... exceeded them when it counts...

Thanks guys, and thnaks Chris for all the tea and coffee...

Just wait til all those cypriots see my car, you are gonna be busy...

Awesome effort Mark!

Bet you gonna get itchy feet waiting for the car to be exportable!? A few trips back for test drives and track days I presume??

Seriously though, I can't think of any other manufacturers let alone people that would give this kind of support to a builder... Truly unbelievable.

Enjoy the car! Not that that's going to be hard! Have you had time to give it a proper thrash yet?

Chris.

Car is shipping to cyprus on 10th of december, will arrive in Cyprus 10th january.. no way I will be driving it over here except maybe tomorrow if its dry..

nice one mark,just goes to show the MNR customer care is as strong today as it was at the begining for me
and customer care is one of the things that have made MNR reach into the top ten manufacturers in just a year(source total kitcar mag)

well done guys

Absolutely spot on Andy

The car is being delivered to my home on sunday, after a full day of setup today...

Marc was very thorough with the corner weights etc achieving a perfect 50-50 balance...

We had some issues with flame spitting from the exhaust on overun, which was cured by sealing the exhaust breathers, which has also stopped the headers glowing red all the time

Engine sounds very sweet now as well...

Car is a little heavier than we expected with a full tank due to the much heavier LSD and shafts from the cossie and the 60 odd ltr fuel tank, But I havent built the car for ultimate low weight, and have more focussed on the quality of the fittings... the diff and shafts are more than twice as heavy as a 3.38 open diff and push in shafts...

Anyway, car is a peach and I am well happy

How much does the car weigh ?

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How much does the car weigh ?

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No reason for it to turn into anything. Like you already said, its not built to be a super lightweight. If it were, you'd have hardly gone for a ZX12R engine and LSD, now would you.

Exactly hellfire...

It has larger seats to cope with my, how shall we put it, fat arse... LSD and Shafts from a cossie, cossie size fuel tank, road bodywork, dry sump system with 10 ltrs oil, 55ish ltrs of fuel and with me onboard its around 640 kgs...

If I had gone for the Super with T45 chassis, had a custom loom made, lightweight bodywork, thin ally panels, lightweight 13inch wheels, 3.38 push in shaft diff, fireblade motor with baffled sump, yada yada yada it would have been a lot less, but less friendly on the road...

Overall a 500ish kg car is still gonna kick ass with over 200bhp (with the engine mods I have done)...

that's still very light with so much fluid onboard.

you must be dead chuffed with it.

Sure am...

The engine seems to be blowing a bit of blue smoke at present tho, need to find out why, perhaps it just needs a good run...

Maybe because I have sealed the breather system off tho, as it wasnt doing it before... I may have allowed some oil from the cam cover into the exhaust thru the reed valve plates due to the size of bolts I have used.. if so I will just remove the reed valve plates and that should cure it... Find out tomorrow...

640 kg? That's a weight off my mind (no pun intended) Mine weighed in at 540 kg at my local weighbridge with a full tank of fuel and a big bag of tools in the boot. I was thinking that mine was a bit lardy.

Mine too has an LSD rear end, plus a boot box and padded seats. The tools will add a bit of weight but then so will the heater that's sat in my basement.

Isn't the weekend nearly over? I want to see some pics!

Even with mod's, Hellfire's doesn't hit an accurate 200bhp (measured 152bhp at wheels (possible 185ish)). I'm sure he'd be interested how you achieved that?

Mods include 4-2-1 exhaust, Yoshi can, power commander, NGK IX plugs, K&N filter - all set-up by Holeshot Racing... hmmm! IIRC

Yeah but I weigh 108 of those 640kg's



To Hit 200 bhp you need to adjust the ignition timing and seal off the exhaust breathers (clean air system) as well as the race system and airfilter changes...

If its only making 185 at the crank, thats barely above stock... even a race can on a stock exhaust can achieve that on a 12r...

Or maybe its transmission drag or an inaccurate dyno... heaven forbid



PS. Mine hasnt been dyno'd so I cannot say what the power is, but the mods to supposedly give 200bhp have been done... but 185bhp at the crank is definately low for a 12r, my brothers GSXR1000 bike with wet sump makes a genuine 180bhp at the rear wheel, say 200 at the crank... Rizla Suzukis are making at least another 20-30 over that....

4-2-1 is not the best for max power, but will give better midrange torque, 4-1 gives better peak power at the expense of midrange...

What kind of headers is hellfire running? Are they equal length on all cylinders? thats worth quite a few BHP...



[Edited on 27/11/05 by G.Man]

G.Man - you won't hit nearly 200bhp without the ram-air system which only comes into effect at 150+mph which is pretty much unachievable in a 7 of any 'ilk. Holeshot Racing are one of (if not) THE best tuning places in the UK. He held the land speed record on one of his handbuilt (BUSA TURBO (700bhp))bikes. He knows everything there is to know about bike engines - mapping/tuning/etc ect. Marc will probaby know him as he is also a racer-type guy. He is VERY well known amongst racers for his experience, so - however knowledgeable you are, I doubt you will surpass him on this occassion.

He did state, our headers held the engine back approx. 3~4 bhp but here was nothing more to be gained from the ZX12R engine without masses of money - the RAMAIR system is key in this engine and neither of us can use it to it's effect. Therefore 200bhp is unattainable unless you know different

Jack has stated he has tried equal and unequal length headers and the diference is hardly measureable on a Rolling Road.

[Edited on 27-11-05 by Hellfire]

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G.Man - you won't hit nearly 200bhp without the ram-air system which only comes into effect at 150+mph which is pretty much unachievable in a 7 of any 'ilk. Holeshot Racing are one of (if not) THE best tuning places in the UK. He held the land speed record on one of his handbuilt (BUSA TURBO (700bhp))bikes. He knows everything there is to know about bike engines - mapping/tuning/etc ect. Marc will probaby know him as he is also a racer-type guy. He is VERY well known amongst racers for his experience, so - however knowledgeable you are, I doubt you will surpass him on this occassion.

He did state, our headers held the engine back approx. 3~4 bhp but here was nothing more to be gained from the ZX12R engine without masses of money - the RAMAIR system is key in this engine and neither of us can use it to it's effect. Therefore 200bhp is unattainable unless you know different

Jack has stated he has tried equal and unequal length headers and the diference is hardly measureable on a Rolling Road.

[Edited on 27-11-05 by Hellfire]

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Jack has stated he has tried equal and unequal length headers and the diference is hardly measureable on a Rolling Road.

[Edited on 27-11-05 by Hellfire]

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My thoughts also!!!

I know very little about bike engines, but they are only engines after all, they still use the same principles and equal length headers are CRITICAL to max power figures.

The irony is that for road driving they are not critical at all as torque spread is more important and having the exhaust "come on" at one particular point in the rev range will not help the torque spread at all (though it will obviously maximise the power/torque available at that tuned rpm)

Anyway, I know of several ZX12R's making over 200hp in autograss without aftermarket cranks or rods so what's the issue????

The issue is G.Man's car fully laden is 640kg - therefore not for the track/racing (LSD ZX12R engine). When I said unequal perhaps I should have stated within a slight difference of each other. The differences in the slightly unequal length headers were unmeasurable on a rolling road, his statement not mine - we tended to question this stement however, for reason's as stated. Westfield produce a very large diameter header and bore exhaust with unequal length headers - according to him it looses them 20-30bhp IIRC. So contradictory statement's there then...

If you don't wanna take your car to him that's your choice - his credentials are very well rated. As he has one of 3-4 rolling road setup's in the country authorised by powercommander to run bike engines on a car setup - eg one axle (two wheeled one axle bike engine car (think about it?)) you are chopping out probably 25% of your rolling road setup's already. If you haven't fitted a Power Commander then you needn't be concerned. Have you tried looking for a suitable Rolling Road for a bike engine you cant use a car setup as most don't have the facility to do Power Commander. You can't use a bike setup - no wide rolling road?

I agree the ZX12R engine can be tuned above 200bhp, but I also said "without spending lots of money" - new cranks/cams and all the rest of the shananigans IMO is lots of money!

FFS - why does it usually end up being taken out of context and things said that haven't always been said?

G.Man - look carefully on our video and you can see the exhaust gas analyzer - where are you getting your info from regarding Holeshot??? You can't setup a Power Commander (accurately or otherwise) without an exhaust Gas Analyser? (AFAIK) We are running the non-race version (PCIII-USB as it's not for racing) without fuel alteration therefore giving us a major disadvantage with losses that add up to it not performing very well at all in comparision.

ATEOTD - what does it matter - is it a competition? Isn't it all good natured opinions?

Regarding the blue smoke - haven't you fitted a dry sump? May just be a rogue drop of oil on the exhaust or something... be careful though :-S

[Edited on 28-11-05 by Hellfire]

Sorry hellfire, didnt mean to start a row...

A car was sent to holeshot for emissions setup and jack said he couldnt do gas analysis on it as he didnt have a gas analyser.. his statements not mine..

I already have a PC3 USB and have advanced the ignition timing 6 degrees (moved the ignition pickup) which gives about 10bhp...

I am lucky in that I live in Northampton, and have a few rolling roads nearby that can setup the PC3, but they arenet "dynojet recommended" as they dont use one of their dyno's...

The blue smoke is an issue related to the removeal of the clean air system, apparently, when you seal it off it can suck in some oil from the seal around the cam cover if its not sealed perfectly, when you rev the engine and come off the throttle...

I am going to try another way of blocking it off to kill the exhaust backfiring but still allow some "flexibility" in the exhaust vaccum... or I shall just have to seal off the cam cover better...

OK the pics you have all been waiting for
















Cycle wings will be fitted as soon as the brackets get here from powder coaters... they are already drilled and fitted, just a quick bolt on job...

Weeeeee, looks excellent.

DD2 looks fine to me, cheers mate, youve just convinced me not to b e a tight ar5e and buy one

Thanks for the pics

Rich

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Originally posted by Hellfire
The issue is G.Man's car fully laden is 640kg - therefore not for the track/racing (LSD ZX12R engine). When I said unequal perhaps I should have stated within a slight difference of each other. The differences in the slightly unequal length headers were unmeasurable on a rolling road, his statement not mine - we tended to question this stement however, for reason's as stated. Westfield produce a very large diameter header and bore exhaust with unequal length headers - according to him it looses them 20-30bhp IIRC. So contradictory statement's there then...

If you don't wanna take your car to him that's your choice - his credentials are very well rated. As he has one of 3-4 rolling road setup's in the country authorised by powercommander to run bike engines on a car setup - eg one axle (two wheeled one axle bike engine car (think about it?)) you are chopping out probably 25% of your rolling road setup's already. If you haven't fitted a Power Commander then you needn't be concerned. Have you tried looking for a suitable Rolling Road for a bike engine you cant use a car setup as most don't have the facility to do Power Commander. You can't use a bike setup - no wide rolling road?

I agree the ZX12R engine can be tuned above 200bhp, but I also said "without spending lots of money" - new cranks/cams and all the rest of the shananigans IMO is lots of money!

FFS - why does it usually end up being taken out of context and things said that haven't always been said?

G.Man - look carefully on our video and you can see the exhaust gas analyzer - where are you getting your info from regarding Holeshot??? You can't setup a Power Commander (accurately or otherwise) without an exhaust Gas Analyser? (AFAIK) We are running the non-race version (PCIII-USB as it's not for racing) without fuel alteration therefore giving us a major disadvantage with losses that add up to it not performing very well at all in comparision.

ATEOTD - what does it matter - is it a competition? Isn't it all good natured opinions?

Regarding the blue smoke - haven't you fitted a dry sump? May just be a rogue drop of oil on the exhaust or something... be careful though :-S

[Edited on 28-11-05 by Hellfire]

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Yeah, no point in arguing about it, at the end of the day if it only makes 180-190bhp it will be fine...

Mine has "equal" length headers, bar a few mm's so isnt perfect, and I doubt it will be a huge difference in the grand scheme of things...

Sorted the blue smoke, so no worries there anymore...

Hellfire, had a look at the vids on your page, including the donnington "MNR breakdown" or should I say, pitlane induced fuel starvation... lol, couldn't see the gas analyser, but what the hell... he may have just been using a lambda probe which is sufficient for engine tuning...

I note yours is backfiring in that video which is a problem with the clean air system sucking air into the exhaust... if you seal that off the car will run a lot cooler, particularly the headers, and the backfiring will cease... along with the flame spitting...

It will also give about 2-3 more bhp due to better scavenging (at present a lot of the scavenging is lost due to the exhaust sucking thru the reed valves instead)...

the car looks simply stunning.

http://galifrey.my-bulldog.com/pages/galifrey_my-bulldog_com/MOV00237.zip

Video of the exhaust note and backfire, pre sealing of the Kleen Air system...

Lovely

I agree with that level of popping being indicative of a slight problem, but I was always led to believe (from various sources in rallying) that a bit of crackling on the overun was due to good scavenging (just a bit though )

If you didnt know better, you would first think that amount of popping and flaming would be due to overfueling, but if it was sucking air, I guess it would have the same effect

Cheers
Rich

[Edited on 28/11/05 by RichieC]

Yes normally its overfueling, but the zx12r and indeed all the kawasaki bike motors now i think, use a system of ducts thru cam cover mounted reed valves to draw air into the exhaust system. This continues the "burn" in the exhaust and heats the cat up good and proper...

When you ditch the cat and the stock exhaust all it does is causes huge backfires on overun, so the racers just block them off...

I would think there is a degree of overfueling going on as well, but since the kleen air system was blocked off, the exhaust no longer backfires, so issue solved for me...

Still a few things to tinker with, but I gotta have summat to do once I am in Cyprus eh...

Oh yes, wouldnt be a kit if that was it finished

Rgds

Rich

Jobs I have yet to finish...

1. Heat/stoneshields on rear wings
2. heatshield on body around headers
3. Relocate Digidash to behind steering wheel cutout
4. sort bonnet/nose/scuttle panel fit (its well dodgy)
5. Fit cycle wings
6. Fit remainder of DD2 sensors (oil and water temp, fuel pressure)
7. Sort sticky handbrake cam on offside caliper
8. rolling road setup
9. Thrape the goddam tits off it

Where you getting your stone guards from?

Seen both plastic and polished ally, I think depending on car colour they can both look great.

When you say DD2 to behind steering wheel cut out, where do you mean, Im being thick.

Was SVA man ok with where it was, could you read it ok then or did you have a whopper Sierra wheel on for SVA and its only the smaller diameter which is obscurring it.

Rgds

Rich

No probs all... be very interested in the method of extracting more bhp though... maybe a meet sometime?

Glad the smoke's sorted... interesting comments re: clean air system. G.Man - with that exhaust on (non-SVA I presume ) are you planning on tracking wherever you go in Cyprus? The engine is very loud and we're having to throttle it back using the original can to get below 105Db. Emmigrating or what? Cyprus is a lovely country at any time stayed in my mates villa in Ayios Tyckanos ((?) speeling erorr posibbly) for a number of years. Makes it more than attractive when the white stuff is outside (like right now!!!)

Most of the mods can be found on zx12r.org once you sift thru the bullshit

Gauges are only obscured by smaller steering wheel, its gonna mount on the end of the steering column shroud where the old wheel used to sit...

Best way to be honest is fit a PC3R to adjust the ignition as well as the fueling... makes a huge difference.. oh and make sure you are not running a restricted model..

Love your tidy wiring Hellfire, mine has no space left on the scuttle panel... lol



Yes emigrating to Cyprus, fed up with thieving uk bastards, shite weather, expensive beer and fags, speed cameras etc etc...

Will be just outside nicosia somewhere, sorting a house out this week...

We ran a fireblade can for sva, I am guessing its well over 100db now, but a lot of that is induction noise... unbelievable how noisy they are on a pipercross filter

Meet probably gonna be hard now, as I am in cyprus from 1st to 18th and car ships out on the 14th... I intend to do a few hillclimbs and sprints in cyprus when I get the time...



[Edited on 28/11/05 by G.Man]

I envy your emmigration choice of countries. Cyprus Comfort... mmmm Hope you enjoy it - may even get out there next year (holiday) maybe if you stay on the forum we could meet up for a beer or 6

Thanks for the suggestions re the PC3R we were aware of this model but for our purposes found it a little too expensive for what we required, also it wasn't available at the time of ordering - our's is a 2004 model (B2). It is very likely that it is restricted too... we know of the box to unrestrict it but again, it's already a beast to handle as it is. Also with the fact that Dad hasn't been to Spec Savers yet (Hellfire 1 write off) he's not getting more power until he does!

Yup B2 deffo restricted... needs a muzzy bonneville box...

If you come out to Cyprus, be sure to give me a shout, of course I will still be a regular on this site... lots more of my antics to come yet

Will mount my video cam on the car and take it for a spin thru some of the mountain roads...

Sorted - video imminent is it then?

Mount the camera on or near a corner to improve resonance damping. What mount do you have?

no mount yet, any you can suggest? cam is a sony network handycam mini dv trv80e

B.Hague

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Well my baby sets sail for Cyprus tomorrow, and will arrive around the 7th of January... Right at the start of the rainy season, lol...

Cant wait to take it for el blasto...

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LOL True marc

Had to do nothing to ship the car, they ship it as is...

When I say rainy, its mainly at night anyway, but can get some massive storms during the day...

What weight did you declare for the shipping? Or do they just do it by the container? How much did it cost you if you dont mind me asking?

I hope it all goes well for you out there.

Ive just noticed your roll bar on avatar pic. It looks very high. is it really that big or just an illusion?

[Edited on 8/12/05 by DarrenW]

no it is really that big !!!!, when you draw a line from top of rear hoop to front chassis crossmember ( this is the two places the car will rest on when rolled ) as per rac msa spec there is 50mm clearance from head touching ground with helmet fitted, thats why each car has a custom rollbar to suit the drivers height.

best regards

marc

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Well after many months of heartache with Cyprus customs and vehicle dept, they have finally agreed to register my car with a new registration and subject me to only £608 cyprus pounds for excise duty...

Hellenic insurance have agreed to insure me, 3rd party liability only, so it should be on the road soon...

Now I just need my landlady to sort the driveway so I can get the car in and out... lol

Just in time for the hot weather it seems..

On a different note, I pick up my new road car on saturday, 2ltr turbo Subaru Forester S/Tb... 240 bhp model

A scooby with a bigger body...

Sounds like a tough life

Get some pictures up of the car in it's new climate asap

BUGGAH BUGGAH BUGGAH

Cyprus DMV have decided I need an MOT before they will register my car (bastids make up the rules as they go along)..

So I am on the look out for a zx12r exhaust to increase the muffling on my baby before its test...

poop! hope it goes ok.

Car is going for its MOT in next few weeks, as its nice and dry and warm here now...

Got a Nicosia Traffic Officer doing all the legwork for me now in return for a drive... hehe. He rides an R1 2005 for his job, and is a real standup guy...

Says the exhaust noise wont be a problem, fingers crossed...

Pics of my car in its garage below





My Vortx RT+ in her new garage




Under da hood

Well my driveway is now modified and the car is cooking on gas..

Have a slight oil leak from the dry sump system which is causing some concern, as a little oil goes a long way...

And I have no short 32mm spanners to tighten the pipes up with... grrrr

Has been out on its UK plates so far, but will be the cypriot plates in the next few weeks, then we are gonna give it some stick...

Am hoping to get some drag times on it in a the next 2 months and maybe even do a sprint race for road legal cars...

Fingers crossed all

Looks great Mark!

Would be so nice to have gorgeous weather all the time to cane that sort of car around... Lucky bugger...

Chris.

Car walked thru its cyprus MOT today, a step closer to its Cyprus registration..

How does it reward me? By oveheating and dumping hot water all over my legs

Hey ho, the fueling is way off at the moment, so guess thats why it overheated, but crikey does it go on the open road...

Cant wait to get it properly sorted

Fueling is sorted, car walked the second part of its registration process at the Govt SVA centre today...

Gave it some welly down the bypass and had a full on powerslide around a roundabout and whilst overtaking a car...

The grip level is awesome until you floor it in a low gear... lol...

Should get my registration number within next 2 weeks then its fun fun fun all the way...

So cool having a police motorcycle escort when you are out playing silly buggahs



[Edited on 17/7/06 by G.Man]

Well, the Cyprus authorities hit rock bottom today by saying I need the donor vehicles logbook to get my car registered..

As that isnt gonna happen ever, I though screw them.. Instead of paying them to register the car and then pay them road tax, I went to the north/south divide, and bought insurance for the UK registration number... £90 for 12 months 3rd party cover...

Sorted...

Took the car for a blast and the poor thing overheated... new rad should arrive next week, and I am gonna need to vent the bonnet to get some better airflow for the 40 odd degree heat here...

Clutch is now slipping as well.. probably cooked it today..

could you not get any sierra v5 ??? and show as a donor car ??? bummer about the clutch is it a barnet one or std ???

They only picked up on it as the car receipt had the donor registration number quoted on it...

Its a stock clutch, may just need cable slackening, will check soon

Was the sierra scrapped? If not you can get a new reg document for £19 from the DVLA.
Need form V62 - here http://www.dvla.gov.uk/forms/pdf/V62online.pdf

I was told the sierra was scrapped using the little box on the registartion docs for the kit.. it seems dvla are still showing it as intact and awaiting a years road tax... fuck...

Someone has fucked up somewhere...

oh bugger !!!! , although they might have problems collecting the money seeing as you are a few hundred miles away

I am sure Chris ticked the box, so not his fault...

We went thru docs together..

Bloody DVLA useless chunts..

Problem is I have to get copy or scrap certificate... gotta sort it all by post now..

Got some new parts this week...

Pace 4 core caterham race rad

Barnett clutch kit

That should sort the worn out clutch and help with the overheating, as well as cutting vents in the bonnet..

Rad is a work of art, but should be for £370

Piccies?

Been looking at your previous picture which shows an under the hood look at your ZX12-r and am curious as to what the aluminimum cylinder is situated just under the right hand side of the nosecone.

Also wondered if you could let us know what you did with your fuel line as i see three copper pipes running down the tunnel , presumable one is brake and the other two fuel but i recall you saying a while back that you didnt need two lines when using the original fuel pump.

Anyways im must thank you for this thread and lets see if we can get it to the number one spot on the longest runnings threads.

Hey man

There are 3 copper pipes as I am running a higher flow fuel pump and a pressure regulator. Not the original pump..

The silver cylinder with the copper pipe going into it is the ctach tank for the reverse gearbox...

They tend to spit oil a bit...

Hope this helps...

will post some pics of the new parts soon

Yeah cheers it does .

A catch tank for the reverse box i would have never guessed .

mark i think that pace should keep it cool.

if it keeps my v8 cool i think it shoud work for your zx12.

all the best mate

Ageiv8

Still trying to sort my brakes at the moment..

Master cylinder is fine, calipers are fine, so there must be a blockage somewhere in the brake lines...

The brakes work, but after 1 mile or so they stick on... fronts only that is...

Very frustrating as first time I was 2 miles from home... outward leg...

None of the pipes are crimped/pinched/bent as far as I can see... gonna get them pumped up and release each union in turn and see where the fluid doesnt wee out from...

That will tell me its before that union...

One of my brakes did something similar. I could smell them so I stopped and checked them all. The first three were cold to the touch. The last one burned off my finger print.

I took the caliper apart and there was a bit of roughness on the piston. A light touch with some 2000 grit wet and dry seems to have cured it.

gotta be some crap in the line some where question is where ????

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mark had a thought on this one next time it locks up pull the brake peddle back by hand and see if it moves or free's up.

had a couple of your symptoms with my rears.

basically the bias bar can lock out the oposite curcuit espically if its not been played with after sva

let me know if you need owt further

regards

agriv8

any news yet mark as to the problem ?????

I havent stripped it yet marc, gonna do it when i get back from UK next monday..

is it dot 5 brake fluid we used?

I think its the master cylinder

I undid the brake pipe at the master cyl and fluid spurted out and the brakes released...

damn...

Got my registration through this week

Car goes into a performance shop today to have brakes fixed (£30) including refil with race spec synthetic brake fluid...

Fitting and plumbing of pace/caterham 4 core race rad (£50)

And finally, at last, full dyno tune... Should cure the overheating, flat spots when warm, and give me a dyno printout...

What's the expected figure then at the wheels??

Chris.

Difficult to say... I have no idea how the transmission loss compares to when it was on a bike...

If it was on a bike, I would expect about 10/15% transmission loss giving between 170-180 at the wheels...

Current readout on the digidash says 175bhp but god knows how accurate that is, although the weight is programmed in correctly so who knows...



[Edited on 18/11/06 by G.Man]

New clutch arrived over Xmas so fitting that this weekend...

Race rad is in, and brakes are sorted, sticking master cylinder it was...

Darn nuisance having to remove the sump to get all the broken clutch out...

Thanks to Malc of Yorkshire Engines for the new clutch cover

When's it going on the dyno?

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yay she is back on the road again...

Took her for a blast today on wet roads and love the "sideways in a straighline" action the toyo 888's give....

just awesome fun...

taking the laptop down tomorrow to get her a basic mapping tweak as she is well rich in most places...

would you belive the back brakes are starting to stick now... darn cheapo wilwood master cylinders...

Oh and she is still boiling over even with the new pace rad and cold weather... i feel I may have a problem somewhere in the cooling....



PS. she went back together a lot faster than she came apart... dry sump went back on no problems this time... whole job, replace dry sump and clutch, 2.5 hours...



[Edited on 5/1/07 by G.Man]

Well the new water pump and new master cyls going on this week, fingers crossed all will be fine for a good blast this weekend to remap it on road..

May be doing a hillclimb with it in march, so looking to lose some weight now... althought it will be quicker than anything competing there anyway..

if its never cold there

you seriously could think about ditching the thermostat.

also you could add an extra pump in parallel to double up the flow (or in series for pressure)

also you could union 2 rads (in series)

Tks

Using a Pace caterham 4 core race rad, ditched the thermostat (even tho it is very cold here at the moment) and using an EWP80 davies craig on full time running...

Finished fitting and plumbing the pump today, took it for a spin, and no boiling over... looks like I have sorted it at last..

Have a minor oil leak from the dry sump pump fittings, well I say minor, but its gonna be a bitch to get to the fittings to tighten them... arrgghhh

Think I am gonna plasma cut a hole in the steel firewall and then pop rivet an access patch over the hole...

Too a few people for a spin today, they loved it, then went for a spin on my own and its like driving a different car solo..

Very fast, and so much more responsive..

Car was very squirelly under braking, then i spotted how much toe out was on the car... wound some off and that improved it a lot.. think we added that for sva and forgot to take it off.. lol, anyway, a quick geometry check will be done once its all ready to go...

I am a happy bunny

Well done that man. Wish we had the weather you've got.....

Phil

Here here.

Mike

its depressing how much difference the passenger makes, isnt it!

Thanks guys

I am so happy it is ready to drive properly, I even taxed it yesterday...

£21 for 12 months, arranged online and printed on home printer...

My forester was £139

Yes it is depressing how much difference a passenger makes, I was truely astonished... thinking of removing passenger seat now and having some luggage space for road use

No need for u2u, leave it here, in case other brits follw..

Firstly, make sure you have all the documentation, past insurance in uk, for at least last 6 months, proof of work and ending in uk..

If your reg doc does not quote the type approval number from the SVA cert, you will need the SVA cert, or at least a copy, and they will have to verify with VOSA.

Will need MOT, I can help you with that, SVA test, Not like UK, just a brief check...

Then you will need alien registration card, proof of purchase or rental of property in cyprus, and employment or income...

after that, prety straightforward..

And now its for sale as I am returning to UK

U2U me the price mate .... Cyprus not that far from Malta might have a home for it.

Send someone a ticket and they will drive it home for you Give them your switch card for the petrol though.

Its still for sale in Cyprus, my mechanic is selling for me..

cyp£10,000

Thats with all the upgrades and updated wishbones

Car was sold, mechanic stiffed me on payment.

Glad to see all is well in MNR land, a lot of interesting new developments.

not good at all then

Got the rest of the money I was owed, he witheld it because of some issues with the car. I don't want to discuss them here, I am sure he and Marc are discussing solutions.

at long last

I got the bug again now, but this time doing a 205 GTi with an engine "upgrade".



Had to be white again ofc

Engine going in is a GTi-6 with Zsara VTS 5 speed box (the 6 speed doesnt fit right).

Who knows, it may even end up with a Rotrex supercharger kit on at some stage

Weird, every single picture in this thread showing my build has disappeared, even though they are still on my photobucket, not even showing broken links, its as if the img links have been removed from the thread.

Anyway, my pug is finished

Feeling the urge to build another, thinking of MX-5 based..