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marc n - 19/2/07 at 10:05 PM

it has been brought to my attention that there is a company called nandez creations who are advertising mnr new build cars,
Nandez creations are in no way affiliated to mnr whatsoever

best regards

marc

RichardK - 19/2/07 at 10:32 PM

They seem to advertise alot of stuff that isn't theirs!

Deckman001 - 19/2/07 at 11:22 PM

You know you've got a top class product when others can't beat your product so try to rip it off instead, well done in achieving the status

I do though hope you get it sorted out to your satisfaction

Jason

G.Man - 20/2/07 at 06:32 AM

Arent they just an outfit that builds cars for people?

Bit dodgy if you ask me, what sort of liability cover do they have?

Syd Bridge - 20/2/07 at 10:06 AM

quote:
Originally posted by G.Man
Bit dodgy if you ask me, what sort of liability cover do they have?


What sort of Product Liability Cover do any of the kit manufacturers have?

Last time I asked, they were ALL a bit coy about giving answers.

Does MNR have Product Liability Cover?

If they do, they'd be about the only ones.

You're all invited to post copies of the policies on the forum, if and when they exist.

I know the costs, which is why they don't have the cover.

Cheers,
Syd.

DarrenW - 20/2/07 at 10:18 AM

i couldnt see MNR being mentioned on their website (just a quick look) but the Icon looks very similar to my car. Its a good looking website though.

G.Man - 20/2/07 at 10:28 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Syd Bridge
quote:
Originally posted by G.Man
Bit dodgy if you ask me, what sort of liability cover do they have?


What sort of Product Liability Cover do any of the kit manufacturers have?

Last time I asked, they were ALL a bit coy about giving answers.

Does MNR have Product Liability Cover?

If they do, they'd be about the only ones.

You're all invited to post copies of the policies on the forum, if and when they exist.

I know the costs, which is why they don't have the cover.

Cheers,
Syd.


With Kit Cars the onus is on the builder to ensure they are safe, hence the reason for the SVA test..

In this case the builder is not the owner, so they would need liability cover as far as I am concerned, although I guess that would also apply to factory built cars?

I amtalking about failure as a result of incorrect assembly as opposed to a component failure... Incorrect asembly would worry me far more than components built to a design that is over 30 years old..

tks - 20/2/07 at 10:57 AM

quote:

Originally posted by Syd Bridge
quote:
Originally posted by G.Man
Bit dodgy if you ask me, what sort of liability cover do they have?


What sort of Product Liability Cover do any of the kit manufacturers have?

Last time I asked, they were ALL a bit coy about giving answers.

Does MNR have Product Liability Cover?

If they do, they'd be about the only ones.

You're all invited to post copies of the policies on the forum, if and when they exist.

I know the costs, which is why they don't have the cover.

Cheers,
Syd.



They would only need one if they do a turn-key car and in fact not even that if they just offer user assistance SVA isnīt there to look at safety its there to prefent safety issues. and to check the cars road worty...

In the UK being a kitcar builder/fabricator it doesnīt has the same meaning as in the rest of europe.

Iīm talking about legislation etc.
In the rest of Europe you need a signed engineer project. The problem is responsibility...

if your kitcar crashes after SVA approval and its clear its a chasis bend wich was the origen of the accident what would happen then??And how is the responsibility if i build resell and the next owner crashes....

Its difficult IMHO now a days anno 2007
there should just be homologated chasises wich are welded by prof. people wich are also homologated etc. etc.

nothing should be accepted wich isnīt calculated by a pro and welded by one.

i know it may sound daft/or bad or maybe even anti UK but the last thing one wants is a accident wich is coused by a bad contruccion leading in the loss of one we loved.

Tks

p.d. offcourse if you homologate your self to be able to weld to the norm and your construction is approved by an engineer

Syd Bridge - 20/2/07 at 08:39 PM

You seem to misunderstand the purpose of Product Liability Insurance.

Anyone manufacturing any product which is used by the public, should have Product Liability cover for those products.

This means that ALL manufacturers should have Product Liability Insurance for every part they sell. Wishbones, chassis, dedions, et al......even toasters and vacuum cleaners are covered by their manufacturers, as are cars sold on the high street.

That's why Westfield and Catervan are costly, as they have far too much to lose by not having the proper liability cover, and the costs are passed on.

After all the hoohah that went on about those ali uprights, there's yet to be a Certificate of Fitness published which was issued by an independant test facility.

You have your choices, and you takes your chances.

Cheers,
Syd.

[Edited on 20/2/07 by Syd Bridge]

G.Man - 20/2/07 at 09:56 PM

OH FGS Syd change the darn record...

I would say you are getting boring, but you went way beyond that months ago..

You try getting cover from the manufacturer if your chinese toaster burns your house down, thats what your insurance pays out for, same with your car insurance...

Now leave it and move on, this forum is for MNR builders not crusaders...

andyps - 20/2/07 at 10:29 PM

G.Man - I know what you are saying, but Syd has a very valid point.

Think of some of the examples which have been quoted extensively on this forum where people have received products which were not manufactured correctly and have caused failures of vehicles - fortunately without anyone getting physically hurt (much). Just consider the implication if one of these incidents had caused a major accident - product liability insurance would be pretty essential here. it is expensive, but I suspect if you can prove the quality of manufacture it has to help keep costs down - a bit like having a good driving record does with, so therefore we could all benefit.

Now, back to nandezcreations....

[Edited on 20/2/07 by andyps]

G.Man - 21/2/07 at 06:12 AM

I am not talking about product liability, I am talking about Syd's obsession with uprights.

DarrenW - 21/2/07 at 02:16 PM

It wouldnt appear from the website that Nandez are doing anything wrong. Indeed Marc didnt even say thay are, he was just pointing out that they have no affiliation with MNR which is a fair point to make.
As far as i know there isnt anything to stop anyone setting themselves up to make any kit cars for anyone or sell parts however they source them. If there cars are as good as their site suggests then they should be a worthy company and one day manufacturers may be happy to be affiliated with them. Nothing wrong with having a go i say as long as they dont advertise any untruths.

G.Man - 21/2/07 at 02:49 PM

I agree, there could be a good market for buying cheap unfinished projects and finishing them as well..

G.Man - 21/2/07 at 04:24 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Syd Bridge

After all the hoohah that went on about those ali uprights, there's yet to be a Certificate of Fitness published which was issued by an independant test facility.

You have your choices, and you takes your chances.

Cheers,
Syd.

[Edited on 20/2/07 by Syd Bridge]



andyps

maybe you have a problem with reading english

andyps - 21/2/07 at 05:51 PM

OK - I missed that part of that post, but it doesn't sound like an obsession to me.

tks - 22/2/07 at 10:06 AM

Iīm not in in this one...

CARS are different then a toaster and a vacuum cleaner.

Lets put it this way:
- If you designs are up to thing and well calculated then only what rests is a good production quality...

if you do both things and you pass SVA, i cant see what you need more!!

also because it all are home build cars its nutsack to say they need them, in the end of the story they always will say it was you who last touched the materials

you should be able to spot a weak link in your brought chasis thats all whats about.
Its the same reason wy its sow important to have a high quality package..

also i cant see why it should cost soooww much. In fact a kitcar insurrance is relative cheap (if the proberbility of failing is that high...)

ISO9001 that would be fine!
Then everything is automaticly almost homologated

Tks

road warrior - 22/2/07 at 11:15 AM

I agree with you G. Man but you started it with your first post. You should know better

G.Man - 22/2/07 at 12:14 PM

quote:
Originally posted by road warrior
I agree with you G. Man but you started it with your first post. You should know better


Yeah I forgot any mention of liability insurance is like a red rag to a bull to Syd hehe

However, I do feel the liability between a kit and turnkey car is different. I know the situation with the uprights, I am taking an educated risk, and I have the choice to change them for steel if I so wish...

nandezcreations - 28/2/07 at 08:25 PM

I would just like to point out that at no time has nandezcreations ever advertised the build of MNR cars or associated ourselves with MNR cars.

We offer part built kits, turn key cars and the completion/assistance of existing projects. We have a selection of cars that we have chosen to build for our customers who do not have the time or patience required. Should a customer approach us requesting the build of an MNR car we would be quite happy to build the car for them.

Kind regards

Miguel