ANyone have access to a copy?
I would like to see just quite what is involved in building one and marc n is away atm so i cant get hold of him.
chunkytfg @ hotmail.com
Only when you order one
Owt to hide - honest.
Far easier than Panther, or MK.
The build manual is great if you're an engineer, I found it easier to look at the pictures but then that's often how I read
There's not really a lot to say about it, it's come on alot since I built mine but it's not really needed, I used it more of a do this
step first, then this and even then more of a reference guide. The kit is very straightforward to build, especially with the modifications Marc
keeps making!
I haven't seen their build manual and I build one of their cars! They only wrote the manual after I'd finished mine. I had the second
generation chassis but they've changed it loads since to make it easier to build.
In terms of difficulty, I'd say it was easy. Rivets nuts and bolts mainly. I do think that they should open up their manual to potential
customers. It would make more nervous non-technical types more likely to buy I'd think.
IMHO - there is always 2 reasons for wanting to hide something away...
1. Because it's THAT good, and you are trying to protect it (which never works).
2. Because it's THAT bad and you're ashamed of it (which also never works).
Steve
quote:
Originally posted by Hellfire
IMHO - there is always 2 reasons for wanting to hide something away...
1. Because it's THAT good, and you are trying to protect it (which never works).
2. Because it's THAT bad and you're ashamed of it (which also never works).
Steve
the manual is freely downloadable from a link on the website, its just that is password protected.
it could be that a lot of it is not manufacturer specific and the thinking is 'why put all that effort in for someone to use it to build another
kit' which is fair enough.
if its to do with secrets like geometry setup, perhaps things like these could be part of a 2nd protected document.
IMHO The best and most useful thing if you are considering 'X' brand of kit, is to find one and photograph -every- single thing you can.
If theres one getting made at the manufacturer, make multiple trips and watch the progress, again photographing everything. Thats what I did and it
turned out extrememly useful.
Looking at the new MNR manual (which is considerably more thorough than when I was building), its quite useful in terms of construction order, which
is probably MNR specific (ie bodywork has to go on before front suspension)
still a bit light on electrical issues though... 
quote:
Originally posted by chunkytfg
ANyone have access to a copy?
I would like to see just quite what is involved in building one and marc n is away atm so i cant get hold of him.
chunkytfg @ hotmail.com
I think the main reasons are 2 fold.
1 is the time and efort put into producing the manual.
2 protecting the intrests of MNR.
Yes there are aquite a few cars out there now and and at some point things will start to be copied. But if you had spent 4 weeks of blood sweat and
tears perfectiong the inbord suspension geomatry only to have someone copy it before you had got it established --- hope you can see my point
there is no secrety but if you dont protect your own intrests nobody else is going to do it for you.
regards
Agriv8
I fully understood/understand why they would want to keep it for their customers, but this reason (and the reason I was told by Chris Noden that it
was kept secret from the other manufacturers) was something that really put me off their car.
I just wanted to see how theirs went together in comparison to others as I wanted to complete my build in three months, and seeing a car at a show
already built doesn't convince you of things like that.
Unlike Mark (each to their own as everyone knows) I happen to think that the preformed scuttle/bonnet and old nose make the MNR one of the best
looking cars out there.
Steve
just so I have this correct - do all the other Kit car producesrs have comrehensive build manuals that are freely availble before customers purchase
of a kit ?
Regards
Agriv8
quote:
Originally posted by Agriv8
just so I have this correct - do all the other Kit car producesrs have comrehensive build manuals that are freely availble before customers purchase of a kit ?
Regards
Agriv8
quote:
Originally posted by Agriv8
just so I have this correct - do all the other Kit car producesrs have comrehensive build manuals that are freely availble before customers purchase of a kit ?
Regards
Agriv8
my reason for the build manual protection is the fact it is best part of 150 pages of very hard work that i feel belongs to the builders of our car as
they have payed their money and deserve a decent build manual, as the manual has been improved and updated our cars are going together faster than
ever with fewer queiries and those common quieries and feedback enable me to update / improve areas that are not so clear for people, which is my
commitemnet to our customers, and rightly or wrongly i feel that this is the way it should remain, and if im truthfull i find it hard to understand
why only a few other manufacturers have a decent build manual
best regards
marc
quote:
Originally posted by CaLviNx
Hi
Is the MNR "that" complicated that it needs a 150 page build manual
The other side of the coin : you could say that many of these cars don't have a build manual, because they don't need one, MNR included.
quote:
Originally posted by CaLviNx
Hi
Is the MNR "that" complicated that it needs a 150 page build manual
The other side of the coin : you could say that many of these cars don't have a build manual, because they don't need one, MNR included.
but some customers have never even opened the bonnet of there own 'dailly driver' before taking on an MNR kit
( ps and they have built and SVA'ed some excellent examples by the way ) agreed, it depends who is building it.
engineers will want to wing it, but some of us arent so 'hands on' and want all the ref they can get. (me!)
to be honest, i never followed it strictly, but i get very paranoid before doing things like carving holes in expensive bodywork, I like to check
beforehand and know if im on the right lines before making a very costly mistake!
it may not strictly need it, but I was glad to have the option
quote:
Originally posted by marc n
my reason for the build manual protection is the fact it is best part of 150 pages of very hard work that i feel belongs to the builders of our car as they have payed their money and deserve a decent build manual, as the manual has been improved and updated our cars are going together faster than ever with fewer queiries and those common quieries and feedback enable me to update / improve areas that are not so clear for people, which is my commitemnet to our customers, and rightly or wrongly i feel that this is the way it should remain, and if im truthfull i find it hard to understand why only a few other manufacturers have a decent build manual
best regards
marc