Krismc
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| posted on 27/3/06 at 04:59 PM |
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SUSPENSION PICTURES FOR RT-PLUS
CHEERS IN ADVANCE FOR THIS PEOPLE 
I have a Rt plus and as the Suspension is different design to the build manual (For RT), i cant work out from the pics which way up suspension goes
and which part goes where for my build, (im too the stage where ive cut the two top holes in the body work and need to eye up the bottom suspension
arms to cut some other holes)
Also im trying to work out from the bag of raceleda stuff how that goes together as well?? The raceleda stuff is good gear and the guy who sells is a
canny bloke but for that amount of money a set of build pics would be good?
here are some pics...
also..... should the push rod slide between these 2 tubes, and what are the fixings?
does any one have any pics of diagrams of what is what or can help??
 
[Edited on 27/3/06 by Krismc]
[Edited on 27/3/06 by Krismc]
Built, Ivaed, Drove and now Sold - 2011 MNR VORTX RT+ 2000cc Zetec on R1 Throttle boddies.
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Krismc
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| posted on 27/3/06 at 06:46 PM |
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oh and iraceleda is supposed to be handed.... hmm both boxes have same written on them so how do i know which is which???
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G.Man
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| posted on 27/3/06 at 06:57 PM |
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bottom should have a small stub, there should also be a spherical bearing held in with a circlip on the bottom..
Cant remember them being handed or not..
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Krismc
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| posted on 27/3/06 at 07:07 PM |
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Cheers g man
The raceleada is def handed but i dont know which is which cause they are labled the same!
The top aint handed but have 2 possiblites of the way they can go?!
And the bottom ones dont look handed either, they have to go the way up ive got them in the picture, as the push rod fits into the top sumhow?!?
and a bearing eh was this supposed to be in the kit !
[Edited on 27/3/06 by Krismc]
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3GEComponents
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| posted on 27/3/06 at 08:13 PM |
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The circlip should go on the bottom, it's the same way Caterham have their wishbones.
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3GEComponents
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| posted on 27/3/06 at 08:17 PM |
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And looking at the raceleda's I would say that the main body isn't handed, but you assemble the steering arm and disc bracket to make a
"left" and a "right".
But I may be wrong!!!
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Krismc
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| posted on 27/3/06 at 08:33 PM |
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The circlip should go on the bottom, it's the same way Caterham have their wishbones
but what goes in the hole- and sumone must have a few pics!
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eddymcclements
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| posted on 27/3/06 at 08:38 PM |
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In your first pic the top wishbone is upside down - the top balljoint needs to be behind the bottom in order to get some caster.
It looks as though you've assembled the Raceleda upright correctly as the r/h unit, ie. with the steering arm ahead of the axle line. However it
looks as though you've attached the bottom balljoint to the steering arm. It also looks like it's a bolt-on bottom balljoint for a
conventional wishbone, whereas the RT+ looks like it needs a balljoint that's retained by a circlip as per the Caterham, as jroberts said.
You really need to speak to MNR because the design is specific to their kit (and because of this, they should provide detailed build
instructions!).
Eddy
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Krismc
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| posted on 27/3/06 at 08:57 PM |
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quote:
In your first pic the top wishbone is upside down - the top balljoint needs to be behind the bottom in order to get some caster.
so the shorter part to the back of the car and the longer arm of the top wishbone to the front!
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It looks as though you've assembled the Raceleda upright correctly as the r/h unit, ie. with the steering arm ahead of the axle line. However it
looks as though you've attached the bottom balljoint to the steering arm.
This is my steering rack end ive attacted!........least i thought it was?!
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It also looks like it's a bolt-on bottom balljoint for a conventional wishbone, whereas the RT+ looks like it needs a balljoint that's
retained by a circlip as per the Caterham, as jroberts said.
ou lost me there im totally confused. sorry im a total amature when it comes to building cars!
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You really need to speak to MNR because the design is specific to their kit (and because of this, they should provide detailed build instructions!).
Yea ill try and pop down his week, cheers for you help Eddy
and ps dont worry i havent tried to connect the steering arm to the hub im just resting it there for the pic 
[Edited on 27/3/06 by Krismc]
Built, Ivaed, Drove and now Sold - 2011 MNR VORTX RT+ 2000cc Zetec on R1 Throttle boddies.
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Mad Dave
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| posted on 27/3/06 at 09:11 PM |
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ou lost me there im totally confused. sorry im a total amature when it comes to building cars!
I hope this helps. Its a model (section view) of a Caterham vertical link showing the spherical bearing and carrier. Your setup should be similar to
this.
 
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G.Man
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| posted on 27/3/06 at 09:45 PM |
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there should be 2 shafts that fit on the top and bottom of the raceleda uprights...
that should help, its a left upright by the way, should help you see whats going on..
[Edited on 27/3/06 by G.Man]
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Krismc
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| posted on 28/3/06 at 08:43 AM |
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2 shafts, i aint got by the looks off it. i have one (goldern colour) shaft which i guess is the hub shaft for the bearings to sit on! and this pile
of bits
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Krismc
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| posted on 28/3/06 at 08:46 AM |
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Krismc
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| posted on 28/3/06 at 09:44 AM |
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Cheers for that pic, so far im guessing im right up to this stage.
just this little piece im guessing its sumthing to do with holding the bearing in but which way up and in before or after the bearing?!!?!
just the top an bottom upright mounts, to sort out and which way up and round all the suspension goes!?! - hopefully sumone can tell me as i cant get
to MNR til next week and would like to get sum done this weekend
[Edited on 28/3/06 by Krismc]
Built, Ivaed, Drove and now Sold - 2011 MNR VORTX RT+ 2000cc Zetec on R1 Throttle boddies.
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amalyos
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| posted on 28/3/06 at 10:51 AM |
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I'm not using Raceleda stuff yet (bit to rich for me at the moment), but heres a picture of the RT+ with the cortina uprights, it might help.
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amalyos
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| posted on 28/3/06 at 10:53 AM |
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I'll put it in the archive, the attachment didn't work.
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ned
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| posted on 28/3/06 at 12:13 PM |
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this what you're after?:
 
mnr inboard front
beware, I've got yellow skin
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Krismc
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| posted on 28/3/06 at 02:00 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ned
this what you're after?:
mnr inboard front
brilliant, but im gussing the design has changed cause them parts look unhanded and can be fitted up side down but look at my bits they differ vastly-
im sure this is just the process of MNR's upgrades!
look the pushrod fitting differs on bottom mount!
and the arm has differing lenghts on top wishbone compared to your pic
[Edited on 28/3/06 by Krismc]
Built, Ivaed, Drove and now Sold - 2011 MNR VORTX RT+ 2000cc Zetec on R1 Throttle boddies.
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eddymcclements
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| posted on 28/3/06 at 09:28 PM |
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I also think you have the bottom wishbone upside down in your photo. The two short tubes welded to the wishbone that the pushrod mounting bolt passes
through should be on the underside. Look closely at the photo Ned posted and you can just see the mounting bolt peeking out behind the track rod
end.
With regard to the wheel bearings, once you've got the stub axle in place, the order is:- fit large taper roller bearing, then fit hub, then fit
small taper roller bearing, then large flat washer, then castellated nut or plain nut and castellated star-shaped washer then split pin.
Eddy
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Krismc
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| posted on 29/3/06 at 04:10 PM |
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POPPED to mnr today... cheers once again marc. (sorry to take ya time up again)
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I also think you have the bottom wishbone upside down in your photo. The two short tubes welded to the wishbone that the pushrod mounting bolt passes
through should be on the underside. Look closely at the photo Ned posted and you can just see the mounting bolt peeking out behind the track rod end.
yea i worked that out the other day and as i thought its just the thickness of the poweder coat which is stoppping me fixing the pushrod in place.
cheers to mention it though!
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With regard to the wheel bearings, once you've got the stub axle in place, the order is:- fit large taper roller bearing, then fit hub, then fit
small taper roller bearing, then large flat washer, then castellated nut or plain nut and castellated star-shaped washer then split pin.
Eddy
i asked marc today where the budweiser bottle toped shaped bit goes or as you prefesionably said the 'castellated star shaped washer'
after he finished laughing he said it fits on just before the split pin!!
think im sorted now, just a matter of fitting and spacing, once ive got it all together ill post up pictures!
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Krismc
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| posted on 29/3/06 at 07:31 PM |
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right here goes just spent a hour in the garage after tea and came up with this......
....please give me the ok!
(and yes i relise i have the caliper bracket around the wrong way.. it all has to come apart to loctite in any case)
oh and what do i fix the push rod with to the bottom wishbone? because i dont think that file will hold doing 100MPH......
[Edited on 29/3/06 by Krismc]
Built, Ivaed, Drove and now Sold - 2011 MNR VORTX RT+ 2000cc Zetec on R1 Throttle boddies.
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G.Man
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| posted on 29/3/06 at 09:34 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Krismc
oh and what do i fix the push rod with to the bottom wishbone? because i dont think that file will hold doing 100MPH......
I tried a bolt, and hey presto, it worked..
Opinions are like backsides..
Everyone has one, nobody wants to hear it and only other peoples stink!
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Krismc
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| posted on 30/3/06 at 01:55 PM |
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well i aint got one long enough or slim enought to go though there!
on my list of needed parts i suppose
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G.Man
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| posted on 30/3/06 at 02:04 PM |
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I believe the bolt threads into the tubes, cannot remember for sure...
Opinions are like backsides..
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