SiT
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| posted on 18/7/07 at 07:22 PM |
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Looking to buy a MNR Vortx
Hi there - just been ploughing the net for info on what kit car to buy?!?!? I have bene thinking of one for sometime and it looks like it become a
reality. I will be working 5 minutes from home in a few months and commuting on a bike so if there was ever an opportunity to build it kit it has to
be then!!!
Have bought several copies of Kit Car magazine trying to get an understanding of who offers what and boy is it confusing!! Intially was looking at a
Tiger B6 but then came across the MNR and was smitten.
Been reading the owners build diaries posted on the net and defintiely decided that the quality and contents of the starter kit make it the one i
want.
I do have a few questions though -
I have been riding about bike engined cars, which ideally i would like (R1 or Blade) and understand that due to not having Lambda sensors on bike
engines, getting it through an emissions test is really hard?? Is this correct and if so what things can you do to make this less of a risk??
Secondly with regard to installing a bike engine what sort of power would an R1/Blade engine produce in the Vortx?? Ans similarly what sorts of 0-60
times would it produce??
I will be wanting to do a few track days in it fairly frequent and a friend has a TVR Tamora which we use - i wondered how comparable it would be??
In relation to the wheels driven by the engine are they fwd or rwd??
Looking at the starter kit contents, compared to most it is very comprehensive save a donor car how much more on top do you need to complete the
kit??
Sorry for the questions but as i have a few months on my side before i will be in a position to buy it i figured would put in as much groundwork as
possible now!!
Prob be back again with more questions so thanks in advance!!
SiT
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 18/7/07 at 07:29 PM |
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A few answers in no particular order.......
In answer to the TVR bit, on track a BEC will slaughter it.
MNR great choice.
0-60, 4 secs with good tyres and practice.
RWD
I'll let others come in and answer the rest.
Oh welcome.
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jacko
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| posted on 18/7/07 at 07:46 PM |
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In my opinion the best thing to do is go and visit mnr they will anser all your questions and more  + maybe a ride
Jacko
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amalyos
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| posted on 18/7/07 at 07:46 PM |
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Great choice.
Jon's answered most of your questions, I thought I'd just chip in as a very happy MNR customer.
R1 great choice of engine.
Go for a ride in one and you'll be putting a deposit down quicker than it's 0-60
Steve
http://stevembuild.blogspot.com
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 18/7/07 at 08:16 PM |
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Definately a smart move to go for the MNR over the Tiger B6 - and thats coming from someone building a Tiger B6 (picked up a part built one at a good
price).
R1 definately a good choice - I am fitting an 05 version which i picked up for £650 without the ECU (bought one from the US though along with a loom
to get around the immobiliser problem).
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Omni
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| posted on 18/7/07 at 09:07 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Paul TigerB6
Definately a smart move to go for the MNR over the Tiger B6 - and thats coming from someone building a Tiger B6 (picked up a part built one at a good
price).
R1 definately a good choice - I am fitting an 05 version which i picked up for £650 without the ECU (bought one from the US though along with a loom
to get around the immobiliser problem).
£650!!! Was that on Fleabay by any chance?
If I were buying a proper kit I would too be going for the MNR. I think it is the best of the ones out there and one day I will have one
O
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JoaoCaldeira
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| posted on 18/7/07 at 09:44 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by SiT
I have been riding about bike engined cars, which ideally i would like (R1 or Blade) and understand that due to not having Lambda sensors on bike
engines, getting it through an emissions test is really hard?? Is this correct and if so what things can you do to make this less of a risk??
Wrong.
Any bike engine, injected (or not), with a PCIII (usb) and the correct map will pass any current emission test
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Secondly with regard to installing a bike engine what sort of power would an R1/Blade engine produce in the Vortx?? Ans similarly what sorts of 0-60
times would it produce??
0-60 in 4 to 5s, clutch won't like repeating the fun over and over
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I will be wanting to do a few track days in it fairly frequent and a friend has a TVR Tamora which we use - i wondered how comparable it would be??
Probably slower in long straights, but will beat the TVR stoping and turning
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In relation to the wheels driven by the engine are they fwd or rwd??
Engine in front, sierra (freelander, ...) diff at the rear 
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Looking at the starter kit contents, compared to most it is very comprehensive save a donor car how much more on top do you need to complete the
kit??
Send me an e-mail and I'll send you a complete XLS with all bits and bobs needed.
Might scare you, though...
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Sorry for the questions but as i have a few months on my side before i will be in a position to buy it i figured would put in as much groundwork as
possible now!!
Prob be back again with more questions so thanks in advance!!
SiT
Ask all you need
Cheers,
Joao
[Edited on 07/7/18 by JoaoCaldeira]
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SiT
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| posted on 18/7/07 at 09:59 PM |
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Wow thats a heap load of info - thanks guys!!! The MNR kit does look a good one - very excited about the prospect!!!
Thats great about the TVR - i thought that was a fast car so god knows what the Vortx goes like!!!!
Something else i meant to ask was with a bike engine being sequential can you fit a paddle style shift change or is it horrendously expensive and very
complicated??
I am pleased about the emissions bit - i was a bit gutted to think that it may have been a problem come SVA time.
I am defintiely going to take a run upto MNR a bit nearer the time - i live in Weston S Mare so its a bit of a run!
Are bike engines typically £500 - £800 as i seem to be seeing around the place?? Is there any such company that sells sort of reconditioned
'definiteyl working' engines as oppose to a bit of Russian roulette with Ebay?!?!?
Cheers
SiT
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yorkshire-engines
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| posted on 18/7/07 at 10:13 PM |
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im sure i know a good engine supplier around here somewhere
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The Great Fandango
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| posted on 18/7/07 at 10:29 PM |
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You hit the nail on the head... Half the fun with a bike engine is the six speed sequential gearbox. If you're familiar with a riding a
motorcycle then you'll know that in the majority of models it's simply a small pedal which you flick up or down with your foot. Therefore,
a kit car builder can use any mechanism to produce the same effect as having your foot on the gear change lever...
I'll try to lay the options out for you : -
1. Gear change lever (which to your average Joe looks like a normal gearstick) sitting on the transmission tunnel. Just 'punch' it forward
and backward. 99.9% of the time these are connected to the gearbox by push-rods and pivotting levers. You can buy kits or fabricate them yourself. The
clutch remains on your left foot. If you're ever lucky enough to buy a Westfield or Caterham from the factory this is how they choose to do
it.
2. As above but clutch controlled by your left hand on the gear-stick type lever. Many of the trackday bods swear by this method leaving your feet to
do the throttle and braking only.
3. As per (1.) but with heavy guage cables to connect to the gearbox. Several obvious points against using cables.
4. Installation of a paddle shift mechanism behind the steering wheel. There are several competing kits on the market, some look really slick. A lot
of the guys fabricate their own systems. Basically, the same as (1.) but the push rod goes through the dash and bulk head, usually pivots through 90
degrees, and a second push-rod connects to the gearbox. This is probably the most popular system.
5. Finally, the ultra 'Gucci' option... Electronic shift. This is where two buttons sit on or around your steering wheel (one for up, and
one for down). They control an actuator which pushes or pulls according to which button you press. There are a few different kits on the market (the
one I'm familiar with is called "Klicktronic" . Kits are usually in the region of £350. Great when they work, a pain in the arse
when they don't!
Only (5.) is the really expensive option.
Finally
What is a "TrickShifter"?...
This is a little module which you can fit to injected bike engines that senses your gearchange and cuts the power for a split second allowing you to
perform the change without touching the clutch.
There's this eternal argument as to whether people need to use the clutch going up or down though the gears. As a general rule if you ease of
the throttle slightly then you're not giving the gears so much abuse and the gear change occurs quickly and easily. This is why the trickshifter
works (it acts as if you're taking your foot off throttle for a split second).
[Edited on 18/7/07 by The Great Fandango]
He Who Dies With The Most Toys Dies The Happiest
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DarrenW
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| posted on 18/7/07 at 10:31 PM |
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There is a bike engine supplier in the yorkshire area that seems to get ridiculously low mileage engines and has a huge reputation. Regularly
recommended on here - now who could that be??????
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bigrich
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| posted on 18/7/07 at 11:07 PM |
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i think your reffering to young Malc the perveyour of quality new and used motorcycle engines and install kits
Yorkshire engines give him a call
.JPG)
A pint for the gent and a white wine/fruit based drink for the lady. Those are the rules
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Dillinger1977
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| posted on 19/7/07 at 07:53 AM |
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quote:
I have been riding about bike engined cars, which ideally i would like (R1 or Blade) and understand that due to not having Lambda sensors on bike
engines, getting it through an emissions test is really hard?? Is this correct and if so what things can you do to make this less of a risk??
As a very recent SVA has shown, its definately doable. I have a 2001 R1 (carbs) and I wont lie, the emissions was the trickiest part of the
process.
you will need a good catalytic converter, and some knowledge of how carbs work.
I didnt have either, but got there in the end.
The MNR is a cracking choice. You'll pay a little more for it than some other kits, but thats reflected in the quality, which is fantastic!
-Rog
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JoaoCaldeira
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| posted on 19/7/07 at 08:44 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by SiT
Something else i meant to ask was with a bike engine being sequential can you fit a paddle style shift change or is it horrendously expensive and very
complicated??
Quite easy to do so. If you fit an electronic gizmo also fit a manual one as sometimes they are... moody
I've got a cable operated gearstick and works fine.
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I am defintiely going to take a run upto MNR a bit nearer the time - i live in Weston S Mare so its a bit of a run!
No it isn't I've been there going from Lisbon, Portugal TWICE
Now that's a run...
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Are bike engines typically £500 - £800 as i seem to be seeing around the place?? Is there any such company that sells sort of reconditioned
'definiteyl working' engines as oppose to a bit of Russian roulette with Ebay?!?!?
Yes.
Colibriman used to sell a few... but I didn't notice any recent posts though.
Malc / Yorkshire engines has quite a few happy customers - me included. His prices are above eBay, but you'll now the engine is a runner -
probably, for a few extra £££ you can ask for a full rebuild, but mileage is usually low...
Cheers,
Joao
[Edited on 07/7/19 by JoaoCaldeira]
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zxrlocost
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| posted on 19/7/07 at 04:14 PM |
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Hi SiT I live in the West Mids(so about an hour and half) from August Im the official build agent for MNR Racing your welcome to come and take a look
at a Car and ill take you out in one.,
you can fit a mechanical paddle shift which is not that expensive the cars are extremely fast race cars for the road
capable of just under 60mph in first gear
there will be little that can compete
plus the noise of 12,500rpm is a bonus
u2u me for more info
thanks chris
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TimC
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| posted on 20/7/07 at 08:48 AM |
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S/T I'm even closer in Cardiff. You'd be welcome to come and have a look.
Drop me a U2U if you fancy it.
TC
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SiT
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| posted on 20/7/07 at 01:01 PM |
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WOW!!!! Huge amount if info there for me to be going on with so thanks guys!!
The great fandango - thats awesome that the paddle shifiting isn't an issue also loving the sound of the Gucci button shifting but concernsover
electronics failing......
JoaoCaldeira - your comments noted about distance i will now stop moaning!!
Yorkshire engines - will u2u shortly get some more info, do you have a website at all?
zxrlocost - does that mean that once you become official build agent then when i order etc i could collect from you?? Or will it still have to be HQ??
Your offer of a ride out has been noted will u2u.
Timc - thats cracking mate and indeed very close will defintiely be in touch shortly via u2u.
Couple more things i wanted to ask - sorry!
I have bought this months copy of kit car which is cracking as it gives advice/overview on EVERYTHING which is good for me as a beginner. With a
couple of months on my sidei want to use the time to prepare in the best way possible making the build as hassle free as poss. I am currently sorting
my garage getting rubbish out and organising stuff i want to keep. Will shortly be sealing and painting the floor (possibly carpeting too if my
contact comes up trumps!). Withe regard to any other can any of you guys advise on anything which you came across during build which i could implement
before hand?? I am sorting out a workbench and some shelving to get everything organised.
With regard to tools is there any speciality stuff i need to hunt down?? The mag suggests a parts cleaner?? and a pillar drill - what are your
thoughts on these?? Don't want to spend money on stuff i don't really need but would like to have a good qulaity set of everything i will
DEFINITELY need.
SiT
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Agriv8
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| posted on 20/7/07 at 01:09 PM |
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decent socket set
dremmel type tool
Jack
axle stands
springs to mind J.
Most other things can be begged or borrowed in my mind
regards agriv8
[Edited on 20/7/07 by Agriv8]
Taller than your average Guy !
Management is like a tree of monkeys. - Those at the top look down and see a tree full of smiling faces. BUT Those at the bottom look up and see a
tree full of a*seholes .............
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chockymonster
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| posted on 20/7/07 at 01:30 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Agriv8
Most other things can be begged or borrowed in my mind
[Edited on 20/7/07 by Agriv8]
You forgot bodged
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SiT
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| posted on 20/7/07 at 01:35 PM |
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Thankyou for that Aggriv8 will get on the case make sure i have those itmes - do people generally buy from machine mart or is there a secret supplier
that kit building types use??
LOL at chockymonster - i have been known to do a bit of that in the past but hoping to do everything by the book and quality for the kit!!!
SiT
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TimC
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| posted on 20/7/07 at 01:49 PM |
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Read-up on Electrolysis and start working on your donor parts!
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chockymonster
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| posted on 20/7/07 at 01:56 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by SiT
Thankyou for that Aggriv8 will get on the case make sure i have those itmes - do people generally buy from machine mart or is there a secret supplier
that kit building types use??
LOL at chockymonster - i have been known to do a bit of that in the past but hoping to do everything by the book and quality for the kit!!!
SiT
My toolkit started off with a decent set of spanners, a Halfords professional socket set ,a dremel, a decent electric drill and a swivel rivet gun.
I bought cheap drill bits and that was a waste of money, buy a decent set of bits as they will last longer and not break!
All wire connections are soldered/heatshrunk and any removable bits use spade connectors.
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Agriv8
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| posted on 20/7/07 at 02:45 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by SiT
Thankyou for that Aggriv8 will get on the case make sure i have those itmes - do people generally buy from machine mart or is there a secret supplier
that kit building types use??
LOL at chockymonster - i have been known to do a bit of that in the past but hoping to do everything by the book and quality for the kit!!!
SiT
Keep an eye out for special offers
I bought a ratching set of spanners ( 8mm trough 19 mm Inclusive ) for £40 ( think the had £20 off ) they are the profesinal quality so supposidly
have a liftime gauarantee.
Machine mart somtimes have vat free shopping evenings worth keeping an eye on.
Regards
agriv8
Taller than your average Guy !
Management is like a tree of monkeys. - Those at the top look down and see a tree full of smiling faces. BUT Those at the bottom look up and see a
tree full of a*seholes .............
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bitsilly
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| posted on 20/7/07 at 04:33 PM |
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Got some excellent quality old tools from car boot sales.
Tim, how should we read up on how you remove hair from your legs??
Did you spend all night on the build?
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SiT
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| posted on 20/7/07 at 04:59 PM |
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Is this the sort of rivet gun i will need??
http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/product/details/mr77-riveter-cw-rotating-head
Will prob buy one of machine parts complete tool kits - seems great value for a fresh set of everything.
Will hunt down some info on electrolysis thought i might need to know about that!!
SiT
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