daniel mason
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| posted on 11/1/10 at 09:48 PM |
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braking options?
what other options are there for front brake discs/calipers and rear handbrake calipers as sierra seem quite heavy but others like wilwood seem good
quality but expensive.
could honda s2000 brakes be used/modified to fit or are they also quite large? thanks
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hicost blade
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| posted on 11/1/10 at 09:59 PM |
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You could try Fiat Coupe 20v turbo Brembo's
http://www.migweb.co.uk/forums/other-mechanical-electrical/397623-fiat-20v-brembo-tigra.html
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hicost blade
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| posted on 11/1/10 at 10:00 PM |
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/fiat-coupe-20v-turbo-pair-front-brembo-brake-calipers_W0QQitemZ140371845033QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?
hash=item20aed05fa9
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daniel mason
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| posted on 11/1/10 at 10:21 PM |
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would a 15" rim be needed with those calipers,and i suppose the discs will not fit?
[Edited on 11/1/10 by daniel mason]
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franky
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| posted on 11/1/10 at 10:47 PM |
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how about bmw brakes off an e36.... cheap to buy and 286mm.
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daniel mason
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| posted on 11/1/10 at 10:52 PM |
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was un sure what would fit with alloy upright and ford hub? was un sure of wheel size i would need to accomodate caliper?
ideally if i broke an s2000 i would like to fit them but i would imagine discs and calipers are large and heavy! it may be better to sell the s2k
brake package (not sure what they are worth) and fit wilwoods with a lighter disc
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hicost blade
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| posted on 11/1/10 at 10:56 PM |
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My E36 callipers weigh a ton
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ashg
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| posted on 11/1/10 at 10:56 PM |
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personally i wouldn't bother with the coupe brembo callipers they are huge weigh a tone and are pretty prone to sticking pistons. you will also
need a minimum of 16inch wheels with quite a large of offset as they stick out quite far from the discs and hit the wheel spokes oh and you will need
305mm discs 28mm wide which also weigh loads.
how do i know all this? lets just say i have been down that road.
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franky
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| posted on 11/1/10 at 11:02 PM |
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whats a bit of extra weight when you've got a 240bhp car to stop???
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GeorgeM
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| posted on 11/1/10 at 11:03 PM |
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Daniel, what about MNR's R16 replacements.
They are light, and work.
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ashg
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| posted on 11/1/10 at 11:04 PM |
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personally i would go with wilwoods all the parts and brackets are off the shelf items.
your looking at £250ish for a wilwood kit from rally design. you can prob make that selling the honda items on the bay.
i would only use the honda brakes if i was using the s2000 front uprights
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RK
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| posted on 11/1/10 at 11:35 PM |
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MX5s, although they are 4 x 100 studs not 114 like the Fords, which are actually 108 (Thank you!). . The cable handbrake works very well too.
ps My god, I can't know everything!
[Edited on 13/1/10 by RK]
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hicost blade
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| posted on 11/1/10 at 11:41 PM |
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^^ Ford PCD is 108mm
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hicost blade
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| posted on 11/1/10 at 11:52 PM |
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I wouldn't worry about disks, go to your local motor factors and ask to look through the QR catalogue and select the size, offset PCD you
want.
108mm PCD makes and models include
Pug/Citroën 4 stud
Audi 80 4 stud
Ford 4 stud.........
The disks do not have to match the original size exactly although thickness is a little more important, they have a range:
http://www.rallydesign.co.uk/pdf/designing_4_pot_brakes.pdf
Saying that, by the time you have messed about the Wilwood option will have seemed cheap!
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matt_gsxr
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| posted on 12/1/10 at 12:07 AM |
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Wilwood at the front makes for a very good value and competent package.
The rear is more difficult. People have tried:
Sierra calipers. Popular for all obvious reasons, despised for all the obvious reasons (weight, rubbish handbrake, weight). Use with Escort Mk3
front disks if you want to fit under 13inch wheels.
VW Golf mk4 style (also on Audi's) alloy caliper. Similar geometry to Sierra, but a bit lighter.
Rallydesign VW Golf "equivalent". Not clear to me whether this is the same or slightly different. Some listings on here mention this.
Peugoet 205 (and other models ). Nice and light especially when used with Fiesta 1.1 (i.e. early) disks. Also mentioned on here. Sounds like a
light package.
BMW Mini
There are also after market options:
Hi-spec, nice design, reasonably price. UK made. Poor customer service.
Wilwood by Rallydesign. Poor handbrake, not cheap for what it is.
The other problem with disks is fitting it all under 13inch wheels. But if you are going 15 then most of these problems go away.
http://www.brakesint.co.uk/ is a good site for investigating disk sizes and dimensions.
There isn't an easily implemented, cheap, light rear braking solution out there. In my view. I have Sierra because I haven't upgraded
yet!
Matt
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JoaoCaldeira
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| posted on 12/1/10 at 11:04 AM |
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I'm using (bought from MNR) Raceleda uprights + R16 willwoods + R888... incredible stopping power.
In both Algarve International Circuit and Estoril GP Circuit I'm braking in 100 - 90 meters mark... very impressive!!! You have to break really
hard, so mass goes to front and wheels won't lock.
Balance bar is set 75% to front (well... al this in dry weather, of course...)
Regards,
Joao
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bassett
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| posted on 12/1/10 at 01:53 PM |
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Once there on your really not going to notice the weight especially with the rears id leave them with brackets made to fit the job making it simpler
and cheaper to look after. For the front i have the wilwood calipers with MNRs vented and drilled discs although i am sure how easy these get upto
temp. The pads however i would avoid the smart pads, many seem to opt for the mintex 1144's which il be trying soon.
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daniel mason
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| posted on 12/1/10 at 06:02 PM |
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thanks very much for the info guys!
i am hoping to go with 13" rims, unless its not possible with the calipers!
[Edited on 12/1/10 by daniel mason]
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beaver34
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| posted on 12/1/10 at 06:35 PM |
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are the mnr calipers for solid disk i presume?
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GeorgeM
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| posted on 12/1/10 at 07:26 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by beaver34
are the mnr calipers for solid disk i presume?
yes for solid discs, MNR ones are drilled & grooved.
Don't need anything more, they won't get up to temp.
GeorgeM
[Edited on 12-1-10 by GeorgeM]
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franky
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| posted on 12/1/10 at 08:18 PM |
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if they don't get up to temp then why have them drilled?
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daniel mason
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| posted on 12/1/10 at 08:43 PM |
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i would imagine they get hot when on track!
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GeorgeM
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| posted on 12/1/10 at 09:09 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by franky
if they don't get up to temp then why have them drilled?
my point is , you don't need vented discs
GeorgeM
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sebastiaan
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| posted on 20/1/10 at 08:07 PM |
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How about sierra drums? Light, cheap and makes you stands out from all the rear-overbraked sevens 
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