olv
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 posted on 6/5/06 at 04:57 PM |
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Anyone crashed their Indy today?
Someone just posted some pictures on another forum i frequent.
Is it anyone's off this forum?
Hope the driver is ok.
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donut
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| posted on 6/5/06 at 05:08 PM |
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 Yeah i recognise that car. Blimey!!
Doesn't look too serious and i hope the owner is ok.
i think this is the car & owner taking a prospective buyer out.... i think.
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[Edited on 6/5/06 by donut]
Andy
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/andywest1/
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olv
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| posted on 6/5/06 at 05:16 PM |
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original thread here
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?p=6989692
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Jonte
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| posted on 6/5/06 at 05:17 PM |
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ohhh... thats not a nice look
Click it
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chockymonster
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| posted on 6/5/06 at 05:25 PM |
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Poor sod.
Only just picking it up too. I'm not sure if anyone else noticed but the roads are really greasy today.
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Jon Ison
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| posted on 6/5/06 at 05:29 PM |
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Thats pants, as it looks like he's ok i just hope its an easy fix, bodywork and maybe a few suspension bits.
Been there I'm afraid, not a nice feeling but cars can be re built.
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olv
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| posted on 6/5/06 at 05:33 PM |
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yeah, just driving it home, must be totally gutted.
at least the damage doesn't seem too severe
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zilspeed
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| posted on 6/5/06 at 05:41 PM |
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People just don't realise how quick a seven type car is.
I remember years ago after we fitted the zetec to the Sylva. We gave a local mechanic a go (he thought he was a bit handy as a driver). He managed to
spin it in it's own length pulling away from a junction.
No real damage, but he was suitably chastened.
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Syd Bridge
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| posted on 6/5/06 at 05:58 PM |
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From the pics...
This is yet another one with too wide tyres on too big a diameter rim and too low on the profiles......and probably with too high
pressures,...........and all probably running hooked up to too hard springs and too hard adjusted dampers.
When will people ever learn??
Syd. 
Edit: You will all be aware by now that I am an avid exponent of 13" wheels (lighter than bigger types)
tyres no bigger than 185's(gives better road pressure),
and no less than 60% profile(for a more forgiving ride and handling.)
That all amounts to 185/60's on 13" rims.
You youngsters can all use what you want, just keep posting the pics of your prangs so us old folks can keep saying'I told you so'.
[Edited on 6/5/06 by Syd Bridge]
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olv
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| posted on 6/5/06 at 06:07 PM |
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they only look like 15s and the profile isn't extreme.
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ned
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| posted on 6/5/06 at 06:08 PM |
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I know what you're saying Syd, but think that this is actually quite reasonable on wheels/rubber. I had a look last weekend and am pretty sure
it 15" rims with 195/50 - there are a lot of 16/17" rims out there on Indy's that I don't personally agree with bt 15"
is fine imho.
From reading both threads its obviously down to not driving to the road conditions (ie greasy) and unfamiliarity with the car.
I saw this car at stoneleigh and have seen it at donington in the past.
Ned.
beware, I've got yellow skin
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Mezzz
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| posted on 6/5/06 at 06:09 PM |
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ouch I saw that car at the show and was concerding buying it.....
Lovely car shame about it really.... Hope the driver was not hurt...... well im sure his pride is
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MikeR
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| posted on 6/5/06 at 07:38 PM |
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Well sid you'll approve of my choice then. Capri 13 alloy cross spokes with 185 70's on it (when i get it on the road) and i'm in
the process of converting from capri / escort (long story) live axle to de-dion using drums as there lighter.
hope he's ok, from the comments on the other forum seems he is.
Must be gutting although if the comment about him doing double the speed limit is true i still hope he's ok but he's lost my sympthy.
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pointy
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| posted on 6/5/06 at 08:08 PM |
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I shall be tip toeing my newly completed Luego down to the MOT centre just over a mile away tomorrow. Gave it a 100 yard squirt down the road today,
1st and 2nd gear only .........and OH MY GOD!!!!!!!
Lightweight car powerful ish engine good/bad combination...............................
but what a lot of fun. Roll on SVA.
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flak monkey
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| posted on 6/5/06 at 09:06 PM |
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Poor bloke, must be gutted
It is too easy to jump into any car and be tempted to push it. Especially if all you hear about them is how well they stick to the road...pity theres
such a fine line between pushing it and ending up in the hedge, especially when its damp. I use these examples as reasons to my friends for NOT
letting them have a drive when i get it finished...!
I too am fitting 13" capri 4 spokes with 185 or 195 60 tyres. If they are good enough for the racers, they are good enough for me 
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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David Jenkins
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| posted on 6/5/06 at 09:34 PM |
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I use 185/70s on 13" x 5.5" wheels - plenty of grip, but not so grippy that they will catch me out.
The worst I've had in 1 year's driving is a nasty fishtail when booting it too hard on a greasy road - in a straight line! Perfectly
controllable though.
I only bought them 'cos I liked the old-fashioned look (and cheap) but I do find them pleasant to drive...
David
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givemethebighammer
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| posted on 6/5/06 at 09:42 PM |
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I knew my 185/60/14's on 6 inch rims were a good choice
As Dave says I've had the odd occasion when the rear end has stepped out a little but nothing uncontrollable (Apart from the spin at Silverstone
but it was wet ! )
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Hellfire
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| posted on 6/5/06 at 09:46 PM |
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Just because you have 13" wheels fitted, doesn't mean you aint gonna have an accident. Drive outside your own or the cars capabilities and
chances are, you're probably going to have an accident eventually, regardless of what size wheels/tyres you have fitted. It's all too easy
to blame choice of wheel/tyre sizes, when in reality, there is only one cause. Driver error.
Treat the car with respect, get to know its capabilities and handling characteristics in all weather conditions (with whatever wheels/tyres you
choose) and it may last just that little bit longer.
Hope the guy is OK. Martin must be gutted, he's owned and driven that car for ages.
Phil
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flak monkey
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| posted on 6/5/06 at 09:51 PM |
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I dont think anyone is saying just bacuse they have 13"s it means they wont crash. Just that they are more progressive and give you more warning
than a low profile tyre on bigger rims.
Sure there are plenty of people driving around on 15" and 17" rims and they dont all end up in the ditch... However, the short sidewall on
the tyres ultimately leads to less grip when cornering, especially on a light car...sure someone could work out the optimum tyre width and profile
given the right data....
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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givemethebighammer
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| posted on 6/5/06 at 10:00 PM |
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Fair comment Hellfire, but I guess no matter how good you are (and I'm not claiming to be an expert) It's much easier to recover from a
progressive rear end slide than a sudden loss of grip that's heading for a spin. I too hope the driver of the car is OK. If it's the first
seven he has owned I guess someone should have told him that a seven on a wet road requires a great deal of respect and careful handling.
[Edited on 6/5/06 by givemethebighammer]
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Hellfire
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| posted on 6/5/06 at 10:23 PM |
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There are a lot of other factors involved than simply choice of wheel/tyre size. What about tyre pressures, spring rates, damper settings? I
don't disagree with what you're saying but if it's badly setup with 13's, it can be more lethal than with 15's setup
correctly. Even the difference of a few pounds of pressure can swing the equation in favour of 15's. Driver error. Although rather unfortunate -
it's as simple as that.
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MikeR
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| posted on 6/5/06 at 10:51 PM |
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I completely agree with what you're saying but your missing one point, we're discussing approaches here.
The worlds best setup car will out perform what every i create, but i'm trying to hedge as many things in my favour as possible, give myself a
larger margin of error if you'd prefer. That way i've got more safety, more warning, more chance to save myself. Ok if i'm going to
take this to extreme's i'll buy a volvo (and one of my friends would love me if i did as she's a volvo nut !) but i want to live a
little so i'm building the seven.
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gingerprince
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| posted on 6/5/06 at 11:38 PM |
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Respect is the key. When I bought my TVR 2 years ago I was driving an FTO , high revs required to make it go so stamping on the gas was a regular
thing. Advice at the time was that progressive throttle was the key, as well as heel/toe to stop rear wheel lockup during braking. Learned that
pretty quickly on a trackday when I did a 180 totally unexpectedly.
Good thing now is that driving something as silly as a TVR which will go sideways if I cough (which is also handy if I need to do 1-point turns  )
means that I have a lot of respect for the Indy from the word go. It may not have the same silly engine-braking that 5 litres gives you, but
it'll still sh@g you up the @ss if you stamp on the gas with your brain in your balls!
Hope the driver of this car is okay, and that he learns from it (assuming of course that it was his mistake).
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JoelP
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| posted on 7/5/06 at 06:56 AM |
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http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=43953&page=2
do ya think it was pants on fire who bought it?
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 7/5/06 at 10:32 AM |
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Chris, I'm not convinced that holds true once you get to ultra low profile tyres as the sidewalls are so stiff that they can support quite a bit
of weight. I guess this is the reason it's so hard to tell if a low profile tyre is down on pressure simply by looking at it, wheras it's
much more obvious on a 70/80 profile tyre.
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