marc n
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| posted on 19/2/07 at 10:05 PM |
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nandezcreations
it has been brought to my attention that there is a company called nandez creations who are advertising mnr new build cars,
Nandez creations are in no way affiliated to mnr whatsoever
best regards
marc
please email rather than u2u
direct workshop email ( manned 8am till 6pm )
www.mnrltd.co.uk enquireys to :-
chrismnrltd@btinternet.com
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RichardK
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| posted on 19/2/07 at 10:32 PM |
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They seem to advertise alot of stuff that isn't theirs!
Gallery updated 11/01/2011
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Deckman001
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| posted on 19/2/07 at 11:22 PM |
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 You know you've got a top class product when others can't beat your product so try to rip it off instead, well done in achieving the
status 
I do though hope you get it sorted out to your satisfaction 
Jason
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G.Man
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| posted on 20/2/07 at 06:32 AM |
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Arent they just an outfit that builds cars for people?
Bit dodgy if you ask me, what sort of liability cover do they have?
Opinions are like backsides..
Everyone has one, nobody wants to hear it and only other peoples stink!
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Syd Bridge
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| posted on 20/2/07 at 10:06 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by G.Man
Bit dodgy if you ask me, what sort of liability cover do they have?
What sort of Product Liability Cover do any of the kit manufacturers have?
Last time I asked, they were ALL a bit coy about giving answers.
Does MNR have Product Liability Cover?
If they do, they'd be about the only ones.
You're all invited to post copies of the policies on the forum, if and when they exist.
I know the costs, which is why they don't have the cover.
Cheers,
Syd.
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DarrenW
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| posted on 20/2/07 at 10:18 AM |
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i couldnt see MNR being mentioned on their website (just a quick look) but the Icon looks very similar to my car. Its a good looking website though.
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G.Man
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| posted on 20/2/07 at 10:28 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Syd Bridge
quote:
Originally posted by G.Man
Bit dodgy if you ask me, what sort of liability cover do they have?
What sort of Product Liability Cover do any of the kit manufacturers have?
Last time I asked, they were ALL a bit coy about giving answers.
Does MNR have Product Liability Cover?
If they do, they'd be about the only ones.
You're all invited to post copies of the policies on the forum, if and when they exist.
I know the costs, which is why they don't have the cover.
Cheers,
Syd.
With Kit Cars the onus is on the builder to ensure they are safe, hence the reason for the SVA test..
In this case the builder is not the owner, so they would need liability cover as far as I am concerned, although I guess that would also apply to
factory built cars?
I amtalking about failure as a result of incorrect assembly as opposed to a component failure... Incorrect asembly would worry me far more than
components built to a design that is over 30 years old..
Opinions are like backsides..
Everyone has one, nobody wants to hear it and only other peoples stink!
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tks
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| posted on 20/2/07 at 10:57 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Syd Bridge
quote:
Originally posted by G.Man
Bit dodgy if you ask me, what sort of liability cover do they have?
What sort of Product Liability Cover do any of the kit manufacturers have?
Last time I asked, they were ALL a bit coy about giving answers.
Does MNR have Product Liability Cover?
If they do, they'd be about the only ones.
You're all invited to post copies of the policies on the forum, if and when they exist.
I know the costs, which is why they don't have the cover.
Cheers,
Syd.
They would only need one if they do a turn-key car and in fact not even that if they just offer user assistance SVA isn´t there to look at safety its
there to prefent safety issues. and to check the cars road worty...
In the UK being a kitcar builder/fabricator it doesn´t has the same meaning as in the rest of europe.
I´m talking about legislation etc.
In the rest of Europe you need a signed engineer project. The problem is responsibility...
if your kitcar crashes after SVA approval and its clear its a chasis bend wich was the origen of the accident what would happen then??And how is the
responsibility if i build resell and the next owner crashes....
Its difficult IMHO now a days anno 2007
there should just be homologated chasises wich are welded by prof. people wich are also homologated etc. etc.
nothing should be accepted wich isn´t calculated by a pro and welded by one.
i know it may sound daft/or bad or maybe even anti UK but the last thing one wants is a accident wich is coused by a bad contruccion leading in the
loss of one we loved.
Tks
p.d. offcourse if you homologate your self to be able to weld to the norm and your construction is approved by an engineer
The above comments are always meant to be from the above persons perspective.
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Syd Bridge
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| posted on 20/2/07 at 08:39 PM |
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You seem to misunderstand the purpose of Product Liability Insurance.
Anyone manufacturing any product which is used by the public, should have Product Liability cover for those products.
This means that ALL manufacturers should have Product Liability Insurance for every part they sell. Wishbones, chassis, dedions, et al......even
toasters and vacuum cleaners are covered by their manufacturers, as are cars sold on the high street.
That's why Westfield and Catervan are costly, as they have far too much to lose by not having the proper liability cover, and the costs are
passed on.
After all the hoohah that went on about those ali uprights, there's yet to be a Certificate of Fitness published which was issued by an
independant test facility.
You have your choices, and you takes your chances.
Cheers,
Syd.
[Edited on 20/2/07 by Syd Bridge]
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G.Man
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| posted on 20/2/07 at 09:56 PM |
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OH FGS Syd change the darn record...
I would say you are getting boring, but you went way beyond that months ago..
You try getting cover from the manufacturer if your chinese toaster burns your house down, thats what your insurance pays out for, same with your car
insurance...
Now leave it and move on, this forum is for MNR builders not crusaders...
Opinions are like backsides..
Everyone has one, nobody wants to hear it and only other peoples stink!
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andyps
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| posted on 20/2/07 at 10:29 PM |
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G.Man - I know what you are saying, but Syd has a very valid point.
Think of some of the examples which have been quoted extensively on this forum where people have received products which were not manufactured
correctly and have caused failures of vehicles - fortunately without anyone getting physically hurt (much). Just consider the implication if one of
these incidents had caused a major accident - product liability insurance would be pretty essential here. it is expensive, but I suspect if you can
prove the quality of manufacture it has to help keep costs down - a bit like having a good driving record does with, so therefore we could all
benefit.
Now, back to nandezcreations....
[Edited on 20/2/07 by andyps]
Andy
An expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less
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G.Man
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| posted on 21/2/07 at 06:12 AM |
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I am not talking about product liability, I am talking about Syd's obsession with uprights.
Opinions are like backsides..
Everyone has one, nobody wants to hear it and only other peoples stink!
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DarrenW
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| posted on 21/2/07 at 02:16 PM |
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It wouldnt appear from the website that Nandez are doing anything wrong. Indeed Marc didnt even say thay are, he was just pointing out that they have
no affiliation with MNR which is a fair point to make.
As far as i know there isnt anything to stop anyone setting themselves up to make any kit cars for anyone or sell parts however they source them. If
there cars are as good as their site suggests then they should be a worthy company and one day manufacturers may be happy to be affiliated with them.
Nothing wrong with having a go i say as long as they dont advertise any untruths.
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G.Man
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| posted on 21/2/07 at 02:49 PM |
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I agree, there could be a good market for buying cheap unfinished projects and finishing them as well..
Opinions are like backsides..
Everyone has one, nobody wants to hear it and only other peoples stink!
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G.Man
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| posted on 21/2/07 at 04:24 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Syd Bridge
After all the hoohah that went on about those ali uprights, there's yet to be a Certificate of Fitness published which was issued by an
independant test facility.
You have your choices, and you takes your chances.
Cheers,
Syd.
[Edited on 20/2/07 by Syd Bridge]
andyps
maybe you have a problem with reading english
Opinions are like backsides..
Everyone has one, nobody wants to hear it and only other peoples stink!
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andyps
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| posted on 21/2/07 at 05:51 PM |
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OK - I missed that part of that post, but it doesn't sound like an obsession to me.
Andy
An expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less
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tks
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| posted on 22/2/07 at 10:06 AM |
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mhhh
I´m not in in this one...
CARS are different then a toaster and a vacuum cleaner.
Lets put it this way:
- If you designs are up to thing and well calculated then only what rests is a good production quality...
if you do both things and you pass SVA, i cant see what you need more!!
also because it all are home build cars its nutsack to say they need them, in the end of the story they always will say it was you who last touched
the materials
you should be able to spot a weak link in your brought chasis thats all whats about.
Its the same reason wy its sow important to have a high quality package..
also i cant see why it should cost soooww much. In fact a kitcar insurrance is relative cheap (if the proberbility of failing is that high...)
ISO9001 that would be fine!
Then everything is automaticly almost homologated
Tks
The above comments are always meant to be from the above persons perspective.
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road warrior
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| posted on 22/2/07 at 11:15 AM |
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I agree with you G. Man but you started it with your first post. You should know better
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G.Man
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| posted on 22/2/07 at 12:14 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by road warrior
I agree with you G. Man but you started it with your first post. You should know better
Yeah I forgot any mention of liability insurance is like a red rag to a bull to Syd hehe
However, I do feel the liability between a kit and turnkey car is different. I know the situation with the uprights, I am taking an educated risk, and
I have the choice to change them for steel if I so wish...
Opinions are like backsides..
Everyone has one, nobody wants to hear it and only other peoples stink!
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nandezcreations
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| posted on 28/2/07 at 08:25 PM |
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I would just like to point out that at no time has nandezcreations ever advertised the build of MNR cars or associated ourselves with MNR cars.
We offer part built kits, turn key cars and the completion/assistance of existing projects. We have a selection of cars that we have chosen to build
for our customers who do not have the time or patience required. Should a customer approach us requesting the build of an MNR car we would be quite
happy to build the car for them.
Kind regards
Miguel
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