My final say on my experience with regards to MOT 's on kit cars. I have spoken twice now to DVLA Swansea they insist that only cars with current reg plate qualify for the first three years without an MOT. All others, age related/Q plates must have an MOT to obtain tax. I explained that many club members do not have MOT's she said that this wrong. I said but they got them from their local DVLA offices or filled in form V112 at the post office. She said that she could not comment on other cases but as mine was an age related you MUST have an MOT. I then spoke to their policy department manager and he said the same. I then called the police and they said that if they stopped a vehicle with a number plate older than three years they would ask for an MOT, if you could produce one then they would report it. I then called an insurance company and they also confirmed the insurance policy may be void if you do not have the correct MOT
for your vehicle. These are not my views but they are open for discussion, but be warned you may be driving illegally.

I have heard that recently too

So what did Paul Jepson say to that then?

My V5 has a date it was first registered in the uk, the form v112 appears to quite clear with the question it asks regarding this date.

Will be checking with my insurer now though... Or maybe I can ask Gary from 2gether to comment as he's a reg trader.

Cheers

Rich

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Originally posted by RichardK
So what did Paul Jepson say to that then?

My V5 has a date it was first registered in the uk, the form v112 appears to quite clear with the question it asks regarding this date.

Will be checking with my insurer now though... Or maybe I can ask Gary from 2gether to comment as he's a reg trader.

Cheers

Rich

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So ............. what they are saying is if I put a personalized plate on a brand new car , if the `new' reg happens to have come from an older car I will immediately need an MOT ?
Surely the MOT requirement is based on year of registration , not what it says on the plate - my car is on an old `T' reg , but it's an age related plate (the number was issued in 2000 , NOT 1978)

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On my tax renewal form it has that mine doesn't need an MOT until 23/5/10, this is 3 years from the date it was registered in the uk!
Was this any help?

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Originally posted by RichardK
So what did Paul Jepson say to that then?

My V5 has a date it was first registered in the uk, the form v112 appears to quite clear with the question it asks regarding this date.

Will be checking with my insurer now though... Or maybe I can ask Gary from 2gether to comment as he's a reg trader.

Cheers

Rich

[Edited on 30/3/10 by RichardK]

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Who is Paul Jepson ?

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This is what I cannot understand, there seems to be no continuity betweem DVLA centres. Richard, Paul Jepson agrees with us as does his friend Mark at VOSA that it should not need an MOT for the first three years, but DVLA Swansea insist that it does.

Seems like the officials are just as (if not more than likely) to confuse the rules as we are, which means as far as I'm concerned get an MOT even if you shouldn't need one because that way you're covered. Better to have and not need than to need and not have!

TBH that doesn't surprise me, the dvla don't know their ar5e from their elbow

I really don't think we'll ever get a consistent answer but I'm interested to hear if this will potentially invalidate my insurance.

Cheers

Rich

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Originally posted by tomprescott
Seems like the officials are just as (if not more than likely) to confuse the rules as we are, which means as far as I'm concerned get an MOT even if you shouldn't need one because that way you're covered. Better to have and not need than to need and not have!

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i spoke to the DVLA last month to tax my car and they said I do not need an MOT, but their system says i needed one, so could not do it on the phone or net.

But they said to take it to an post/dvla office and they would tax it, and I did and its now taxed.

My V5 clearly states that it is first registered in 2008, so they could not really argue.

Mine is a Q plate though.

If a car is registered on an age related plate what date of first reistration does it give on the V5, actual registration, or that of the donor?

dam and blast, Just tried to tax mine on line and it came up with no valid MOT cert. I have 18 months before mine has been on the road for 3 years im thinking before i read here.... Oh no... more DVLA, please nooooo, noooo,
Will try post office tomorrow, as for MOT and a need, I built the thing, I kinda know if things are working or not

Lars, thanks, that makes me feel better...

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dam and blast, Just tried to tax mine on line and it came up with no valid MOT cert. I have 18 months before mine has been on the road for 3 years im thinking before i read here.... Oh no... more DVLA, please nooooo, noooo,
Will try post office tomorrow, as for MOT and a need, I built the thing, I kinda know if things are working or not

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Originally posted by Lars
i spoke to the DVLA last month to tax my car and they said I do not need an MOT, but their system says i needed one, so could not do it on the phone or net.

But they said to take it to an post/dvla office and they would tax it, and I did and its now taxed.

My V5 clearly states that it is first registered in 2008, so they could not really argue.

Mine is a Q plate though.

If a car is registered on an age related plate what date of first reistration does it give on the V5, actual registration, or that of the donor?

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Tom, completley agree, and always MOT my cars when there is a need. The Need im refering to is the 3 years grace for new cars, If the rules say I have this period, Im happy that I built it, know when its not working. If Im in the 3 years, according to the rules there is no need to MOT it, if you get what i mean

Mines on a W age related, V5 first reg in UK 2006. I was told by the local DVLA at time of registration that no MOT would be required until 2009 and sure enough never needed MOT until 1st January 2009.

just done a bit of a search on the dvla website and there is no reference that kit cars need mot before they are 3 years old

and the v112 clearly says it is exempt if less than 3 years old.

It actually also says "the date is
considered to be the last day of the
year in which the vehicle was made." so you actually get slightly more than 3 years.

when I took it to the post office they were a little confused as their system says that I needed an MOT, but I showed the V5 which says car is less then 3 years old.
Absolutely no argument, got my tax disc

I can't be bothered to comment on this again as it boils my wee so much

Happend to me but what is the big problem in getting it mot'd anyway

there are bigger things to moan about and this is not 1 of them zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I just assumed that I needed MOT's for the first three years and went and had them done.

1st MOT failed. Steering column loose.
The UJ between at the rack was slightly loose.

Small enough play not to notice easily.
Glad I had it checkover.

Also had it MOT'd before the SVA.

Just nice to have some else check it over.

I try to make sure my Cars are safe and any of us could miss something from time to time.

For the sake of about £50 a year, is it really worth the agro of going through all this every time?
Before long they will make it compulsory that EVERY car has to have an MOT EVERY YEAR!

I bet if the government tried to put a £50 tax on your hobby for 3 years you'd be complaining.

There is no way your insurance, or the police, could say anything as you've got a tax disc from an agent of the DVLA (i.e the post office clerk). If the V112 wording is wrong, or they want to change the rules they should change them and chase things up if you've been issued with a disc incorrectly, it's hardly your responsibility if their systems aren't fit for purpose.

If it means that we all knew we were legal and safer then what's £50.
If that's too much to pay for having fun cars then something is wrong with that. IMHO of course.
My one is now costing me much more but i know that should i get stopped, had an accident etc then i'd be legal with all departments.

Wish they'd all sort their act out or just let VOSA deal with everything Kit Car related.

at the end of the day an mot's only about £40 once a year,and considering how long these cars are parked up in a year its probably not a bad idea if only to get the brakes on the rollers before you have to slam on and find yourself at the awkward angles you do when the loud pedals down....

got my tax on saturday at the post office. I presented my V112 to the post man. He had never seen one before. Quick read and an explanation he sai no problem and asked did I want a year or six months :-) Yea, another year and no MOT required

Got mine sorted yesterday at Notts dvla. they sorted it and said it was prob best to get it from here until due for MOT. The post office wouldnt take the V112 form and referred me to the DVLA. Cant believe the internal departments within the DVLA dont talk as well as to VOSA!