Hi, my car just passed its IVA 6 months ago, my renewal is due and I have gone to do this online but it won't process as it says 'no MOT
certificate found' even though it does not require one for another 2 and a half years.
Anyone else had this problem?
Just do it at the post office.
You have to go to the post office and fill out a tax exemption form. Can't remember what code it is but they'll know. Obviously take your v5c etc with you
I tried doing it online to avoid that, our post office isn't great and can see it not being straight forward taxing it there with no cert,
however I shall give it a try and if not ill have to ring the DVLA. Surely it should have been inputted into the DVLA database as built 2012
As far as I am aware it is the same database the police use so I will be getting pulled over for not having an MOT even though I don't need one?!
If its a Q then search my posts for what happened with me. Basically a Q is " made up of parts" and as such the dvla is looking for an MOT every year. Sorry but thats what my dvla inspector/contact informed me after 1 1/2 years. I had previously taxed online no problems.
If that's the case surely they wouldn't have been able to tax it at the DVLA office initially without a certificate?
I have had the same issue every year, this year will be the first i will MOT mine and therefore the records will show it has one but up to now it just
says no recoirds found.
when you go to the Post Office ask for a V112 and select M
Shortcut to online form
this should be all you need to do.
In my expericne calling the DVLA or VOSA is pointless, as they both piint you back to the other one.
Hope that helps a bit.
Chris
Initial taxed OK and 1st year online no problem THEN year 2 NO WAY
BUT if you do it and then have a disaster case scenario with fatalities (
god forbid ) you really do want to be sure you are legal. No MOT equals NO insurance. and ignorance of the law is NO EXCUSE. Yes you could fight it
and yes you MIGHT win but at what cost? £50 ish all in would be much cheaper. I know it sucks and many on here will argue the case. The fact is it up
to you.
I was told by VoSa at my IVA I did not need an MoT. Then on applying for the first tax disc with dvla it stated on things to bring 'mot cert (if
req)' .. The application went through ok so obviously was not required. I understand what your saying but if that's the case I've
already been illegally driving the car for 6 months due to errors by the DVLA and VOSA?
I mean its been through IVA 6 months ago to prove its road legal.
And it does not just cost 50 quid to get my car through an MoT BECs can be a nightmare, I'll need to hire a cat, have a remap etc.
[Edited on 3/2/13 by parkiboy]
Not trying to start an argument and believe me I think the whole ( DVLA says this and VOSA says that ) argument stinks. I'm only passing on what I have decided on for my own part. Good luck with your quandry and if you can get it in writing and signed you will be doing better than I could. And believe me I tried very very hard.
quote:
Originally posted by omega 24 v6
No MOT equals NO insurance. and ignorance of the law is NO EXCUSE
Well my car needs taxing so I will do it without the MOt however I will not be driving it for a while so in the mean time I will be contacting the
DVLA and getting an answer and if it needs an MOT ill get it done before I drive it. I have been doing slot of research and I find more saying you
don't need one than those saying you do but nothing clear cut, got to say at times I regret getting a kit simply because of the bullshit of the
DVLA and VOSA.
Do the emissions of the q plate still apply? Or are they as strict as at the IVA?
[Edited on 3/2/13 by parkiboy]
My V5 has emissions on it and the test "should be" based on this. I have found though that last time they just did a visible smoke test?? I know go figure.
I was told when I registered mine last year that I would need an mot next time I taxed it. looks like the 3 year exemption for q plates doesn't exist anymore.
quote:
Originally posted by omega 24 v6
My V5 has emissions on it and the test "should be" based on this. I have found though that last time they just did a visible smoke test?? I know go figure.
Sorry loggy boy not anymore its not. My V5 clearly states emmisions at co at 3.5% and 1200ppm ( not a quote but can find out if you are interested
enough )
[Edited on 3/2/13 by omega 24 v6]
Its all here
http://www.motuk.co.uk/images/730_newnoncat.pdf
[Edited on 3/2/13 by omega 24 v6]
So in practical terms does the new MOT process mean the tester enters your Q registration into their system and it tells him the emissions
requirements? I certainly don't take my V5 to the testing station. Anyone experienced this?
My Indy is sorn'd while I do my engine change. But due it's first tax now over 12 months since IVA.
Rich
quote:
Originally posted by omega 24 v6
No MOT equals NO insurance
Mmmm interesting. It would be good if one of the sponsors (insurance ) of the site could input some info here. as for the emissions I believe it shows up on the testers system but stand to be corrected.
Would like to just say, got my v5 in front of me now and it says nothing about Emissions on mine, it's all blank
^^ does it say "new at first registration" ?
quote:
Originally posted by omega 24 v6
Sorry loggy boy not anymore its not. My V5 clearly states emmisions at co at 3.5% and 1200ppm ( not a quote but can find out if you are interested enough )
[Edited on 3/2/13 by omega 24 v6]
Its all here
http://www.motuk.co.uk/images/730_newnoncat.pdf
[Edited on 3/2/13 by omega 24 v6]
The trouble with this is that VOSA/DVLA dont follow their own rules. This means some people don't have to MOT a Q for the first 3 years and
others do
If they applied their rule properly then all 'kit conversions' and all rebuilts ie cars 'built from parts some or all of which may not
be new' should have an MOT every year right from zero while 'kit cars' - those that are assembled from all new parts should only need
an mot after the first three years. Unfortunately in these government departments the left hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing!
Chillis you have it exactly. And not until a proven court case exists will any of us know exactly where we stand.
My V5 is explicit in the emissions and the same DVLA Kit advisor in Aberdeen was also just as exacting in his definition of kitcars and MOT's for
that reason I chose to keep myself right by having one done.
The rest of you make your own minds up. And best of luck.
I taxed the car this morning using the v112 form, this doesnt mean I won't be MOT'in my car, I have emailed the DVLA quereying the matter and I am also going to send one to Vosa later so hopefully in a few days I shall have my answer.
The part you quote loggyboy is at the initial outset of the book. There are many added changes and updates etc from that point on. I would refer you
in particular to Point 2 on this page which is specific in its relation to amatuer built kitcars requiring sva ( iva may now differ)
http://www.motuk.co.uk/images/SpecialNotice01-03.pdf
Quote
ITEM 2
Emissions Testing Kit Cars and Amateur Built Vehicles first used on or after 1st August 1998
(Classes III IV & VII)
These vehicles are required to obtain Single Vehicle Approval (SVA) and will receive an emissions
test at SVA. All petrol and gas propelled kit cars or amateur built vehicles first used on or after 1st
August 1998 (S Registration Onward) are subject to the BET test, followed if necessary by a ‘cat
test’ to default values. The only exemption to this is where evidence is supplied by the presenter to
confirm a lesser test is required i.e. age of engine or the emission standard applied at SVA.
Compression Ignition powered kit cars and amateur built vehicles will also be meter checked.
quote:
Originally posted by omega 24 v6
The part you quote loggyboy is at the initial outset of the book. There are many added changes and updates etc from that point on. I would refer you in particular to Point 2 on this page which is specific in its relation to amatuer built kitcars requiring sva ( iva may now differ)
http://www.motuk.co.uk/images/SpecialNotice01-03.pdf
That statement only seems to cover SVA/IVA and not an MOT?
LOL Loggyboy. I would certainly agree with that ( interpretation of the manual) so what can we glean from this discussion.
The dvla can't agree with each other or with vosa
Vosa likewise don't agree with the dvla
almost all things government based are ambiguous and uninterpretable
most of us have differing opinions on the interpretation of the rules BUT we all agree with each other that there should be more consistency and
clarity.
And finally its not likely that it will ever be sorted out ( not in my lifetime at least )
quote:
Originally posted by omega 24 v6
LOL Loggyboy. I would certainly agree with that ( interpretation of the manual) so what can we glean from this discussion.
The dvla can't agree with each other or with vosa
Vosa likewise don't agree with the dvla
almost all things government based are ambiguous and uninterpretable
most of us have differing opinions on the interpretation of the rules BUT we all agree with each other that there should be more consistency and clarity.
And finally its not likely that it will ever be sorted out ( not in my lifetime at least )