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MK2 Escort Workshop Manual - anyone got one?
encyd - 19/5/12 at 02:56 PM

A long shot but does anyone have a MK2 Escort Workshop Manual?

I'm trying to rebuild my master cylinder and of course it's nothing like the one in the haynes manual but after some searching online I've found this advert on ebay: FORD Escort MK2 &RS200 Brake Master Cylinder Repair Kit | eBay and the manual in the background that I can't really read is identical to my master cylinder! Looks like either page 126 or page 136.

I've got it all apart and have some spare seals but I'm damned if I can work out how to remove one of the springs and I'd really rather not break it! Of course this is the only seal which has any real wear showing too

I've added a pic of the bit I can't get apart on dropbox here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ww91y9y7phl422x/IMG_6647.JPG

Cheers,
Neil

[Edited on 19/5/12 by encyd]

slingshot2000 - 19/5/12 at 04:12 PM

I have a MK2 Haynes here, let me know what you need and I will try and sort it for you.

You also have a U2U

Kind regards
Jon

NigeEss - 19/5/12 at 04:35 PM

Is there a pin through the hole you can see inside the spring on the left hand end ?

JeffHs - 19/5/12 at 04:54 PM

From Haynes
'the secondary piston is secured to the spring retainer by a tab which is engaged under the piston front shoulder. Lift the tab to remove the piston. Compressing the spring, move the retainer to the side and detach the secondary recuperating valve stem from it. The valve spacer, washer and seal can then be slid from the valve stem
Clesr as mud!

encyd - 19/5/12 at 05:15 PM

quote:
Originally posted by slingshot2000
I have a MK2 Haynes here, let me know what you need and I will try and sort it for you.

You also have a U2U

Kind regards
Jon


Hi Jon,

Thanks for the offer - is it the one with the blue cover (Ford Escort '75 to '80)? If so, I've got the same one here and unfortunately my cylinder looks nothing like the one in the Haynes manual.

Cheers,
Neil

encyd - 19/5/12 at 05:20 PM

quote:
Originally posted by NigeEss
Is there a pin through the hole you can see inside the spring on the left hand end ?


Good thinking! I've had rotated the shaft through 360 with the spring compressed and I can't see anything that I could poke out

When the spring is compressed in either direction I can move the cylinder with the holes in on the shaft and the shaft stays firmly fixed to the piston on the right.

I'm wondering if there is a thread on that piece and it unscrews somehow? That wouldn't be ideal inside the cylinder though if it worked loose. It must come apart since the servicable items are a shim and a seal, the seal might be able to stretch over but the shim certainly can't!

Cheers,
Neil

encyd - 19/5/12 at 05:24 PM

quote:
Originally posted by JeffHs
From Haynes
'the secondary piston is secured to the spring retainer by a tab which is engaged under the piston front shoulder. Lift the tab to remove the piston. Compressing the spring, move the retainer to the side and detach the secondary recuperating valve stem from it. The valve spacer, washer and seal can then be slid from the valve stem
Clesr as mud!


Thanks but I don't think my cylinder is the same as the one in Haynes. It's a Girling tandem one with dual outputs for the front brakes and a single going to the rear. It's got a 3/4" bore and was apparently used on 1100/1300 Escorts with front discs and rear drums but with no servo from 03/1977 through 1980.

Hmm, so I can compress the spring to the left in my picture and the spring reatiner is loose on the shaft and I can then slide the seal and shim up the shaft but can't see any easy way to remove it.

jwallbank - 19/5/12 at 10:47 PM

Not sure if this will help but its from the Mk3 Manual:

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John W

encyd - 20/5/12 at 07:32 AM

quote:
Originally posted by jwallbank
Not sure if this will help but its from the Mk3 Manual:

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John W


Hmm now that does look very similar, I certainly have no screw/bolt head that I can undo with anything conventional but it's got to be worth investigating. Thanks for the pic!

Cheers,
Neil

Cornishman - 20/5/12 at 06:31 PM

From the 75-80 RS2000 and Mexico manual........

There are 2 types , "A" and "B".

Type "A" has already been covered in someone elses reply, but is yours type "B"?
This has "shims" according to Haynes. It can be identified by the fact it has a piston stop screw on the top under the reservoir.

The manual states....

"pull the reservoir from the cylinder and remove rubber plugs
Push the primary piston down into the cylinder to release its tension against the circlip and then extract the retaining circlip.
Unscrew the piston stop screw from the top of the master cylinder.
Extract the primary piston assembly together with the stop washer.
The secondary piston can now be removed from the cylinder by applying a controlled amount of compressed air into the front hydraulic outlet connection. The spring can be shaken out."

The manual goes on to describe a "special screw" that holds the primary piston assembly together, is this what you are having trouble with? When reassembling it states that this screw must not be overtightened?

If you think that this is similar to yours I could maybe try to photograph it ?

Steve

encyd - 20/5/12 at 09:03 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Cornishman
From the 75-80 RS2000 and Mexico manual........

There are 2 types , "A" and "B".

Type "A" has already been covered in someone elses reply, but is yours type "B"?
This has "shims" according to Haynes. It can be identified by the fact it has a piston stop screw on the top under the reservoir.

The manual states....

"pull the reservoir from the cylinder and remove rubber plugs
Push the primary piston down into the cylinder to release its tension against the circlip and then extract the retaining circlip.
Unscrew the piston stop screw from the top of the master cylinder.
Extract the primary piston assembly together with the stop washer.
The secondary piston can now be removed from the cylinder by applying a controlled amount of compressed air into the front hydraulic outlet connection. The spring can be shaken out."

The manual goes on to describe a "special screw" that holds the primary piston assembly together, is this what you are having trouble with? When reassembling it states that this screw must not be overtightened?

If you think that this is similar to yours I could maybe try to photograph it ?

Steve


Thanks for this, hmm reading this mine does sound very much like the type "B".

I've since managed to remove the spring from piston, it was a rounded off 2.5mm hex shoulder bolt in the end holding it on. It's not in too bad nick once I got it out, I'm guessing someone in the past had some trouble removing it! Just looking down the hole and trying a 2 and 3mm hex key I got no grip.

Steve - if you wouldn't mind taking a photo I'd be interested in having the diagram for future reference.

Thanks all for the replies, been really helpful

Cheers,
Neil

Cornishman - 22/5/12 at 07:17 PM

Heres the diagrams ....hopefully!


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encyd - 25/5/12 at 04:48 PM

Awesome thanks for that!