The 'Lewis Hamilton show' has started on BBC 1
Just a shame (for him) that it's a comedy series!
Bet he's not laughing
Nope... but I was!
I was really surprised that DC and MB didn't think he would have got a pen for spinning it round in the face of oncoming traffic. DiResta had to
get off the track to avoid him FFS!
He'll cause a serious F1 crash yet!
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Originally posted by scootz
Nope... but I was!
I was really surprised that DC and MB didn't think he would have got a pen for spinning it round in the face of oncoming traffic. DiResta had to get off the track to avoid him FFS!
He'll cause a serious F1 crash yet!
I'd say it was easier for a driver to avoid a stationary object that they can see well ahead of them (it's an open chicane) rather than one
that suddenly jumps to life and spins right in front of them.
LH admitted in his interview that he never saw DiResta! 
So he span the car at full chat without even knowing what was happening around him.
Like Matt says he was right in the middle of the track, if he had of spun of the track and rejoined to make italian driver DiResta take avoiding
action fair anough.
DiResta said he saw Lewis have his spin, so maybe he should have slowed down more.. after all thats what yellow flags are for
Can't agree. The rules are that LH should have waited until there was a safe gap before making that move. He didn't.
As for him being in the middle of the track... he was still in the middle of the track when he did what he did, but he was spinning his car round
whilst he (and he admitted it) didn't know there was a car coming.
Yellow-flags? I'd be surprised if the Marshalls had started waving them by the time Di Resta was upon him!
And what's with the 'italian' bit relating to Di Resta?
Yes he was in the middle of the track once he spun the car but he now wasn't facing on coming trafic which in my view is more serious, if the
cars bearing down on him are driving around him like he's not there!
DiResta is as charismatic as an Italian... is he related to Andy Murrey!
[Edited on 31/7/11 by Johneturbo]
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Originally posted by Johneturbo
DiResta is as charasmatic as an Italian... is he related to Andy Murrey!
Seems to me that if the other drivers don't have a problem with it (and Di Resta didn't) the stewards ought not to either.
Poor decision in my book, far, far too many penalties being handed out in my opinion, sometimes think the stewards WANT to get involved
As usual Brundle called it right, leave it alone and have a word later
[Edited on 31/7/11 by norfolkluego]
DiR took a precautionary line off the track. If Ham had stopped where he was DiR would still have taken that line. The official line was that Ham forced to leave the track and I don't think that was correct....
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Originally posted by Gordy
The 'Lewis Hamilton show' has started on BBC 1
F1 on BBC has been biased towards Hamilton, maybe not so much this season but in the past they have. The season Button won the title all the hype was
about how Hamilton didn't win it.
Good race though, a bit harsh with the penalty after all his poor choice in tyre lost him the race.
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Originally posted by norfolkluego
Doesn't seem overly focused on Hamilton to me, I must have been watching a different program to you
Too much ball licking at start of program for me, but if you like that sort of thing....................................
Dont think it was too bad myself, there was enough room to get past him after he turned it round. Its racing ffs, no one wants to waste time pissing about.
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Originally posted by Gordy
Too much ball licking at start of program for me, but if you like that sort of thing....................................
I'm sure nobody will be surprised to hear me say that Hamilton deserved a penalty today. Di Resta was relatively muted in his response but was
clearly not happy and said that he would have been much more disappointed if it had cost him points (which is easily could have done). His muted
response was largely due to his maturity beyond his years, something that Hamilton could learn from, and the fact his manager is Anthony Hamilton who
will no doubt have discussed what to say to the press with him in advance.
Hamilton had absolutely no right to spin his car around when other cars were passing him, he should have waited until it was clear. Blue flags
don't give you the right to not be overtaken when you've made a pig's ear of a corner and lost control. He knows he was in the wrong
which is why he was somewhat subdued when interviewed and had already apologised to Paul. I'll bet Anthony tore a strip of his son for
endangering his driver's best result of the year so far. The excuse of not seeing Paul Di Resta's car just makes the offence even worse! Try
using that as an excuse to the police next time you force someone off the road and see if they are suddenly sympathetic! 
And what was all that
nonsense Hamilton was saying about not being able to communicate with his team? Sounded like a complete load of made-up-on-the-spot baloney to me. In
any event, if he didn't want intermediates then he should have carried on driving on the super softs.
And to whoever was criticising Paul for not having charisma, I'd say he has more charisma than most, is articulate, intelligent and media
friendly and is a very high quality driver to boot. Oh, and he's Scottish by the way although I'm sure he will be British by the time he
starts winning races... The boy will go far I have no doubt.
Button deserved the win by the way. Nothing against Seb but I wish he had finished further down to keep the WDC alive. It is looking more like the WDC
will be won long before the last race which is a shame.
[Edited on 31/7/2011 by craig1410]
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Originally posted by craig1410
he should have waited until it was clear.
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Originally posted by craig1410
The excuse of not seeing Paul Di Resta's car just makes the offence even worse!
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Originally posted by Richard Quinn
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Originally posted by craig1410
he should have waited until it was clear.
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Originally posted by craig1410
The excuse of not seeing Paul Di Resta's car just makes the offence even worse!
Ergo he thought it was clear! In hindsight, not the best manoeuvre but that having been said, I would have been keen to put the blunt end with the engine in between me and oncoming traffic. If Di Resta had ended up launching over the front of the McLaren there could have been a much worse issue and lots of comments such as "why didn't the @rsehole move his car if it wasn't stalled?".
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Originally posted by craig1410
And to whoever was criticising Paul for not having charisma, I'd say he has more charisma than most
[Edited on 31/7/2011 by craig1410]
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Originally posted by craig1410
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Originally posted by Richard Quinn
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Originally posted by craig1410
he should have waited until it was clear.
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Originally posted by craig1410
The excuse of not seeing Paul Di Resta's car just makes the offence even worse!
Ergo he thought it was clear! In hindsight, not the best manoeuvre but that having been said, I would have been keen to put the blunt end with the engine in between me and oncoming traffic. If Di Resta had ended up launching over the front of the McLaren there could have been a much worse issue and lots of comments such as "why didn't the @rsehole move his car if it wasn't stalled?".
Just because he didn't look doesn't mean it was safe to recover his car...
We used to have a cat who would steal stuff off the table by ducking his head underneath first and assumed because he couldn't see us, we couldn't see him... This approach didn't work for him either, he got a kick in the ar$e too! And well deserved!
put yourself in hamiltons shoes, you are doing great for the second race in a row and you spun it, only thing on your mind no matter how calm or safe
you think you might be in his situation, you want to get going again and that is all he and anyone else would be thinking about.
as for diresta i like him, he has taken risks this year like in monaco that didnt pay off and maybe hes thinking for his first season in formula one
he will take his time, i bet on your first day at work you didnt go dancing round the office and making jokes with your boss, why should he have to be
fun and exciting when he is still a new boy to formula 1.
also diresta took a precautionary action by driving on the grass, which most would have done yes but could have easily driven past hamilton on the
tarmac. hamiltons penalty was slightly unlucky as it was pauls decision to drive off the track rather than hamilton pushing him off, which is what the
penalty was awarded for.
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Originally posted by norfolkluego
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Originally posted by craig1410
And to whoever was criticising Paul for not having charisma, I'd say he has more charisma than most
[Edited on 31/7/2011 by craig1410]
Eh!
He's doing a good job, no doubt about that, but 'more charisma than most', you are joking
Whatever qualities Di Resta has (and he has many) I'm afraid charisma isn't one.
You don't of course actually need it, Prost made a bunch of bananas look charismatic but he didn't do too bad.
And of course it kind of assumed that'charisma' is a universally good thing, it isn't always. I would say that Flavio Briatore had charisma but I wouldn't say that in a good way.
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I would suggest that if he was back-to-front at the exit of a chicane and he couldn't see what was happening on the racetrack, then he should
have got himself off the racing line VERY carefully!
The donut manouvre could never be construed as careful and could have ended in an almighty coming together. You can argue the point all you like, but
the F1 Steward committee who I assume know a bit about F1 rules and regs seem to have also thought it was inappropriate!
Also worth noting that the man at the centre of the controversy took it on the chin AND apologised to Di Resta.
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Originally posted by Richard Quinn
Just because he didn't look doesn't mean it was safe to recover his car...
We used to have a cat who would steal stuff off the table by ducking his head underneath first and assumed because he couldn't see us, we couldn't see him... This approach didn't work for him either, he got a kick in the ar$e too! And well deserved!
Wouldn't argue with that list too much except
Massa, nice bloke but zero charisma
Kobayashi is definitely in the top half, mainly on the basis of being a reincarnated kamikaze pilot, but he does have it
Vettel I don't think has much either, in the middle somewhere, any he has is due to him being champion (and it automatically brings some) not due
to him, comes across as a nice kid but I wouldn't say charismatic
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Originally posted by craig1410
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Originally posted by Richard Quinn
Just because he didn't look doesn't mean it was safe to recover his car...
We used to have a cat who would steal stuff off the table by ducking his head underneath first and assumed because he couldn't see us, we couldn't see him... This approach didn't work for him either, he got a kick in the ar$e too! And well deserved!
Where did you hear that he didn't look? I thought he said that he didn't see him not that he didn't look. How far up the track could he see from where he was and what sort of approach speed were the cars doing there. In other words, just how long did he actually have to make a decision?
I don't get the cat analogy either. Are you suggesting that if Hamilton didn't look then he would think that the other drivers wouldn't see him either? Surely it was in his interest for them to be able to see him.
I'm not saying that what he did was right but I do think that the punishment was a little harsh.
The longer he was there, the greater the risk. A very careful 3-point turn isn't really an option in an F1 car.
As I keep saying, I don't think it was right but it wasn't as "stupid" as some people are suggesting. Of course Hamilton was going
to apologise publicly.
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Originally posted by norfolkluego
Wouldn't argue with that list too much except
Massa, nice bloke but zero charisma
Kobayashi is definitely in the top half, mainly on the basis of being a reincarnated kamikaze pilot, but he does have it
Vettel I don't think has much either, in the middle somewhere, any he has is due to him being champion (and it automatically brings some) not due to him, comes across as a nice kid but I wouldn't say charismatic
if hamilton drove slowly off the racing line onto the run off area and spin it round there he would have been hit, by spinning it virtually on the sport the drivers could choose where to go from the start of the chicane. if he drove forward i think it was button would have just hit him from the side...
James Allen has done a little piece on this incident. It seems this isn't Hamilton's first time for something like this.
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/07/hamilton-penalty-was-for-offence-eerily-similar-to-gp2-move/
Also, incidentally, Allan McNish was also the driver rep in Monaco when Lewis got a penalty "...because I'm black...". I wonder if this
may be partly behind the lack of sympathy? The poll on the JA website is pretty close as to whether the penalty was justified or not but is currently
580 vs 543 in favour of the penalty.
I think HamiltonDonutGate is one of those damned if you do, damned if you don't moments.
Having just seen it again on the news, what I would say is
1 I don't think it affected PDRs line at all, he'd picked that to avoid a broadside Hamilton, he didn't change his line when Hamilton
flicked it round, I don't think it was dangerous AS LONG AS he didn't overcook the donut and we keep being told these guys are the best in
the world, why would he
2 He was in the lead/top 2 (can't remember) when it happened. do I sit here while everyone comes past or get on with it, what decision would
Webber/Alonso et al. have taken, I suspect their inclination would have been to get on with it.
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Originally posted by craig1410
James Allen has done a little piece on this incident. It seems this isn't Hamilton's first time for something like this.
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/07/hamilton-penalty-was-for-offence-eerily-similar-to-gp2-move/
Also, incidentally, Allan McNish was also the driver rep in Monaco when Lewis got a penalty "...because I'm black...". I wonder if this may be partly behind the lack of sympathy? The poll on the JA website is pretty close as to whether the penalty was justified or not but is currently 580 vs 543 in favour of the penalty.