Arthur T
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 posted on 20/1/07 at 10:44 PM |
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what alterations do i need to make to fit a 2ltr Zetec on to a type 9????
currently have a 1.6 pinto going to fit a 2ltr Zetec Please can you guys give me some bullet points to things i have to buy to make it work PLEASE!
also what management system do i need???
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Arthur T
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| posted on 20/1/07 at 10:58 PM |
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i have been offered a race spec 2ltr Zetec with up rated cams ported polished new gasgets spark plugs + weber management for 1000 pounds but i can get
a standard 1.8ltr for 100 pounds......do i be cheap and do it all for say 400 all in or 1500 and never do it again?
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coozer
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| posted on 20/1/07 at 11:06 PM |
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Unless you have enough room for the 2.0 unmodified you may need to think about a 1.8 zetec.
The 2.0 flywheel is no good for the type 9 and needs to be swapped for a 1.8 item and the water pump spins the wrong way, again a 1.8 water pump is
required. The 2.0 sump is quite deep and fouls the starter motor. Again a 1.8 sump is required.
I am using a 1.8 zetec in mine and the type 9 bolts straight up. Standard zetec clutch kit, both cover and plate with a Capri release bearing.
I am using a 1.8 cvh starter motor that fits without any modification what so ever and the pitch of the pinion is the same as the 1.8 flywheel.
This has been well documented here before and there are several good web resources.
Try this one for some good advise:
http://www.zetecinside.com/xr2/gearbox.htm
And another:
http://www.toyne.org.uk/zetec.html
[Edited on 20/1/07 by coozer]
1972 V8 Jago
1980 Z750
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TangoMan
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| posted on 20/1/07 at 11:07 PM |
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Sump can b either a shortened (ally) Zetec 1800 sump or a shortened (steel) 1800CVH Sierra sump.
Flywheel from a 1800 Zetec or have one lightened a modified to fit a Pinto Clutch
1800 Waterpump
Loads of options on alternator.
The biggest decision is how to fuel it. Carbs or Injection. There are option to use the standard injection but this is not ideal. A better setup is
either weber/dellorto's or Bike carbs or go for independant throttle bodies. Either way you will need to source/fabricate an inlet manifold.
Sparks will need to be from an aftermarket ECU. There is an option of another Ford ECU to give sparks but I am not sure about this.
I would suggest either carbs and Megajolt or Injection and MegaSquirt/Emerald or various other ECU options.
Exhaust comes out the opposite side to a Pinto. You can either use the standard manifold or source/fabricate a tubular manifold. I have opted to sell
the pinto system and opt for a bigger 2¼inch system.
You then have mountings, water hoses, wiring and your about there.
Do a search, there is loads of info on this firum about the swap.
Summer's here!!!!
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stevebubs
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| posted on 20/1/07 at 11:25 PM |
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Biggest point for me would be the fact the exhaust is on the wrong side...
If you're considering spending £1000 on a zetec, I'd look seriously at spending less on a duratec which has the exhaust on the right
side....
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Werner Van Loock
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| posted on 21/1/07 at 09:14 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by coozer
Unless you have enough room for the 2.0 unmodified you may need to think about a 1.8 zetec.
The 2.0 flywheel is no good for the type 9 and needs to be swapped for a 1.8 item and the water pump spins the wrong way, again a 1.8 water pump is
required. The 2.0 sump is quite deep and fouls the starter motor. Again a 1.8 sump is required.
I am using a 1.8 zetec in mine and the type 9 bolts straight up. Standard zetec clutch kit, both cover and plate with a Capri release bearing.
I am using a 1.8 cvh starter motor that fits without any modification what so ever and the pitch of the pinion is the same as the 1.8 flywheel.
This has been well documented here before and there are several good web resources.
Try this one for some good advise:
http://www.zetecinside.com/xr2/gearbox.htm
And another:
http://www.toyne.org.uk/zetec.html
[Edited on 20/1/07 by coozer]
Watch out regarding the water pump and sump from a 1.8, what you really need is the escort water pump and sump as the 1.8 was both used in the mondeo
and escort. So the 1.8 waterpump and sump from a mondeo are exactly the same (no good for kitcar) as the 2.0 mondeo unit.
http://www.clubstylus.be
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Arthur T
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| posted on 21/1/07 at 10:33 AM |
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duratec
i was told the duratec was i really good engine BUT its hard to get the parts for it as they are not as common BUT also it will struggle to pass the
SVA due to emisions ??? is this true...
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SeaBass
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| posted on 21/1/07 at 11:50 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by coozer
Unless you have enough room for the 2.0 unmodified you may need to think about a 1.8 zetec.
The 2.0 flywheel is no good for the type 9 and needs to be swapped for a 1.8 item and the water pump spins the wrong way, again a 1.8 water pump is
required. The 2.0 sump is quite deep and fouls the starter motor. Again a 1.8 sump is required.
In my experience this is simply not the case... The 2.0 blacktop flywheel is fine - the only reason people change it is because it is quite a bit
heavier than the 1.8. The starter from a 2.0 DOHC sierra meshes with the 2.0 ring gear. Material will need to be cut away from the side of the sump
however. The 2.0 basket and plate work fine - a spigot bearing is required & a CCT133 release bearing I seem to remember. The sump on the 2.0
blacktop is a two piece affair and simple modification of the lower steel sump yields the same clearance as the base of the bellhousing anyway - why
go further?
Cheers
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bob
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| posted on 21/1/07 at 11:52 AM |
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zetec guide
link
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Arthur T
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| posted on 21/1/07 at 12:26 PM |
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so let me get this right if i buy a 1.8 Zetec i do not require as much stuff...as the water pump goes the right way & the sump is easer to change
and the clutch does not need to be altered????
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stevebubs
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| posted on 21/1/07 at 02:10 PM |
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A 2.0 will probably cost you an extra £100 or so over a 1.8...extra cost will go in Flywheel/Clutch and water pump
Not sure about the comment about "enough room" - the 1.8 and 2.0 are physically the same size.
Duratec - been around in quantities since 2000 now so parts are easily obtainable but not necessarily as cheap as zetec. Engine is more powerful,
though.
Emissions - unless your engine is pre Aug 1995 then you'll have to pass a CAT test as SVA time...this will be the same for zetec as for
duratec.
At the end of the day, what is your aim? Cheap as possible or as much power as possible for your budget?
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stevebubs
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| posted on 21/1/07 at 02:11 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Arthur T
i have been offered a race spec 2ltr Zetec with up rated cams ported polished new gasgets spark plugs + weber management for 1000 pounds but i can get
a standard 1.8ltr for 100 pounds......do i be cheap and do it all for say 400 all in or 1500 and never do it again?
If this includes all the throttle bodies etc in an "almost Ready to run" system then this sounds like a good deal...
[Edited on 21/1/07 by stevebubs]
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Arthur T
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| posted on 21/1/07 at 06:58 PM |
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want as much POWER as possible and fitted for under 1000 pounds this includes all the bits!
1.8/2.0 ltrs engine = 150
mega squirt = 300
Type 9 gb = 60
flywheel = 70
clutch = 70
carbs = 250
starter = 50
odds& sods = 50
Total = 1000
does that sound about right?
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stevebubs
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| posted on 22/1/07 at 12:28 AM |
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not too far out....but you'll be missing an exhaust....
Did my blacktop for about £1200 with Gixxer 750 TBs...
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TangoMan
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| posted on 22/1/07 at 10:23 PM |
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I would add a fair bit more for Odds and Sods.
Cabling and plumbing will add a fair bit to your costs as will the pump etc if you go with injection.
I was a bit extravagant with Silicon hoses but these alone came to well over £100.
While the engine is out you should really consider a new timing belt unless you know the origin of the engine. It can be costly and inconvenient if
they break.
Summer's here!!!!
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brycheiniog
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| posted on 22/1/07 at 11:40 PM |
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I am going through this at the moment, and here are my costs. The items with a * are guestimates:
Throttle Bodies & manifold £300.00
Engine £200.00 (2.0 ltr low mileage silvertop)
Sump £182.13 (Scholar)
Exhaust Manifold £200
Alternator + Mounts £176.25 (Dunnel)
Starter £20 *
Flywheel £105.75 (Scholar)
Clutch £50 *
Timing belt kit £ 54.94
Water pump £14.74
Spigot Bearing £9.98
Engine Mounts £14.38
Oil Filter £4.00
The odds and sods mout up quickly. I ordered some gaskets, a water pump pulley and replacement flywheel bolts from Ford today which came to over
£40.
I know I could have saved some money by doing things myself but I need the car back on the road as soon as possible...
Jonathan
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