mac1_rd
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| posted on 4/12/09 at 10:58 AM |
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Changin gear with the no clutch
Newbie to the MAC
everyone tells me I dont need to bother using the clutch on the way up the box
"Just change gear - bikes are like this you know...."
Various people say you only need the clutch pulling away and going down the box
Is this true?
Fireblade engine with bike gearbox
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dan__wright
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| posted on 4/12/09 at 11:13 AM |
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yep, was scary the first time and with a bit of practise you can get it perfect with just a tiny change in throttle.
put light pressure on the gear change, left off throttle and as you lift off put a tinybit more force on the shifter, it should click up as you lift
off.
FREE THE ROADSTER ONE…!!
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tomgregory2000
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| posted on 4/12/09 at 11:17 AM |
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everyone tells me I dont need to bother using the clutch on the way up the box
"Just change gear - bikes are like this you know...."
Thats what i bo on my motorbike, as you are about to change gear you dip the revs and do a FIRM and POSITIVE gear change.
Various people say you only need the clutch pulling away and going down the box
Yes pulling away but you dont need to on the way down the box, what i do on the bike is when you are ready to drop it down a gear is give it a blip on
the throttle and change gear at the same time.
It just takes practice
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nitram38
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| posted on 4/12/09 at 11:20 AM |
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I'm lazy.......flatshifter!
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adithorp
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| posted on 4/12/09 at 11:43 AM |
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I don't use it changing up when I'm going hard. I do use the clutch when I'm not pushing it though as it doesn't seem to
change as sweetly without.
adrian
"A witty saying proves nothing" Voltaire
http://jpsc.org.uk/forum/
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 4/12/09 at 12:25 PM |
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use to do that with my last manual bluebird, easy with a little practice
Fame is when your old car is plastered all over the internet
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eddie99
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| posted on 4/12/09 at 12:33 PM |
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Is it not better to replace the clutch rather than the syncro, i can't see it being good for the car, it has to wear the syncro even if done
perfectly.....???
Just my thoughts!
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Daddylonglegs
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| posted on 4/12/09 at 12:51 PM |
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DON'T DO IT!!! I don't care what the experts say, I spent a lot of time and money rebuilding my VFR gearbox after it destroyed itself,
apparently due to cluthless-gearchanges. one tooth thrown and half of the rest followed, the rear locked up (pulling clutch in made no difference) and
I was lucky to stay upright.
Anyway, that's my input, personally I wouldn't bother, but that's me 
JB
Sits back and awaits the inevitable beating that is to follow.....
[Edited on 4/12/09 by Daddylonglegs]
It looks like the Midget is winning at the moment......
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Mr Whippy
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| posted on 4/12/09 at 12:51 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by eddie99
Is it not better to replace the clutch rather than the syncro, i can't see it being good for the car, it has to wear the syncro even if done
perfectly.....???
Just my thoughts!
you just have to gently match the revs to what they should be at that speed, put a bit of pressure on the gearshift and it will silently slip in (if
you get the engine speed right), the syncro isn't being used.
Don't recommed learning on a valuable car though, it was just a £250 car
[Edited on 4/12/09 by Mr Whippy]
Fame is when your old car is plastered all over the internet
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mad4x4
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| posted on 4/12/09 at 12:58 PM |
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I used to be able to get in right in my old Landy (defender) up and down the box with on clutch. SIMPLES 
You only start to do dammage when you get that raspberry nosie AKA CRUCH.
If you lift off the gears should not be under load.
[Edited on 4/1212/09 by mad4x4]
Scot's do it better in Kilts.
MK INDY's Don't Self Centre Regardless of MK Setting !
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dave107
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| posted on 4/12/09 at 01:28 PM |
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Drove all the way back from Lemans in 89 with no clutch just have to get revs right, and slip it in (so to speak).
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coozer
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| posted on 4/12/09 at 01:32 PM |
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I used to change up and down on my Z1000 without using the clutch.. two gears down to lock the back wheel up.
Pull away in 1st with the clutch, accelerate to 30mph, pull the clutch back in, full throttle and let the clutch go.....
70mph in 1st vertical for 500 yards
1972 V8 Jago
1980 Z750
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ed1801
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| posted on 4/12/09 at 03:41 PM |
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I thought it worked well on bikes because they have a chain and so loads of slack in the drivetrain. I use the clutch on my bike unless I am
overtaking because it just feels a lot less stressful on the gearbox.
My 2p...
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mac1_rd
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| posted on 7/12/09 at 09:57 AM |
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interesting reviews
Umm I guess if driving normally might as well use the clutch but on the odd chance if you didn't use the clutch it wouldn't be too bad
Do you guys have to hill toe when going down the gears, as I know bikes can lock the rear wheels,
I have no idea whether mine would or not.
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JoelP
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| posted on 30/12/09 at 03:22 PM |
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a bike engine will never provide enough engine braking to lock the wheels on a car.
As some of the above, i used to do clutchless upshifts when flat out, but not when pootling about. Never did clutchless downshifts, that doesnt sound
good.
oops bit of an old thread there, sorry!
[Edited on 30/12/09 by JoelP]
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dean100yz
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| posted on 26/1/10 at 06:32 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Daddylonglegs
DON'T DO IT!!! I don't care what the experts say, I spent a lot of time and money rebuilding my VFR gearbox after it destroyed itself,
apparently due to cluthless-gearchanges. one tooth thrown and half of the rest followed, the rear locked up (pulling clutch in made no difference) and
I was lucky to stay upright.
Anyway, that's my input, personally I wouldn't bother, but that's me
JB
Sits back and awaits the inevitable beating that is to follow.....
[Edited on 4/12/09 by Daddylonglegs]
I'll second this and Im a biker. Fine on bikes not on BECS!! Flatshifter didnt work for me either
On a plus third time lucky I pick mine up next thursday with its gearbox repaired....again!
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dean100yz
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| posted on 6/3/10 at 06:31 PM |
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gentle drivin i'd go clutchless up but if i was given it any beans i would. As mentioned earlier long term it can wear the teeth
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