marc n
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cant remember what the output was on rollers, i would think it will be as per std bike at flywheel maybe + 5hp for exhaust and filter over stock.
tim t45 weight saving on entire car approx 15 -20 kg but that allowed me on my car to add more triangulation so probably only 10 kg difference
the main reason of using a proper tube rather than erw is stricter tollencences as erw can vary in wall thickness dramatically meaning three chassis
exactly the same will all vary in weight slightly whereas there is less likely hood of that happening with t45
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marc n
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| posted on 1/12/06 at 11:23 AM |
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and never underestimate the power of good laxitives, cheapest way by far of upping power to weight.
good point 
one of the single heaviest parts of bec is the driver unless your a stickman like me
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zxrlocost
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| posted on 1/12/06 at 11:56 AM |
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am I missing the point these weights are coming out the same as what my MK was with 16" team dynamics 460kg or there abouts
I could have got down to 430kg with 13" wheels and light brakes?
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Agriv8
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| posted on 1/12/06 at 12:02 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by marc n
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and never underestimate the power of good laxitives, cheapest way by far of upping power to weight.
good point
one of the single heaviest parts of bec is the driver unless your a stickman like me
Can I add to 'stick man' -- and a short arse !!
[Edited on 1/12/06 by Agriv8]
Taller than your average Guy !
Management is like a tree of monkeys. - Those at the top look down and see a tree full of smiling faces. BUT Those at the bottom look up and see a
tree full of a*seholes .............
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TimC
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| posted on 1/12/06 at 12:35 PM |
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Originally posted by marc n
car approx 15 -20 kg but that allowed me on my car to add more triangulation so probably only 10 kg difference
It's sad but true, but the extra cash is probably better spent (for me) on a few Personal Trainer Sessions in the gym to lose the gut!
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marc n
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| posted on 1/12/06 at 12:39 PM |
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am I missing the point these weights are coming out the same as what my MK was with 16" team dynamics 460kg or there abouts
but you have no proper rollbar ( rac Approved ) with stays and diagonal in 3mm cds and a lot less tube work in the chassis
edit to say
when comparing say an mk / locost to ours the chassis weight will be fairly comparable, i suspect ours will be marginally lighter if a similar cage is
used to us its just we have more triangulation throughout the entire car and the cage is a fully integrated part of the chassis
by selecting the correct components for a build it allows you more tubes in the chassis to create a stiffer structure
best regards
marc
[Edited on 1/12/06 by marc n]
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marc n
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| posted on 1/12/06 at 12:43 PM |
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It's sad but true, but the extra cash is probably better spent (for me) on a few Personal Trainer Sessions in the gym to lose the gut!
depends if the personal trainer is a young busty blonde
[Edited on 1/12/06 by marc n]
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zxrlocost
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| posted on 1/12/06 at 12:59 PM |
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sorry I thought he wanted more bhp per ton figures
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G.Man
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| posted on 1/12/06 at 04:26 PM |
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I have lost 13kg this year... off my body not my car
Opinions are like backsides..
Everyone has one, nobody wants to hear it and only other peoples stink!
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Moorron
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| posted on 10/1/07 at 09:10 PM |
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missed this thread, Hi Tim c. ive just replaced the s/steel tank with a 1.6 alloy one i made at work. Saved 10 kg. just removed the seats and weighted
them, each one was 12.5 kg, so if the 3kg grp ones are actually 3kg thats another 19 kg.
So far i have saved 29kg, almost 10% of the car. Just got to take a wheel off and compair it to some 15" ers i have from her puma (she will
never notice lol). I thought it was going to be impossible but it looks achievable without loosing the looks of the car.
Sorry about my spelling, im an engineer and only work in numbers.
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zxrlocost
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| posted on 10/1/07 at 11:44 PM |
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I could have sworn I told you all this aswell
is the NOS still connected? take it out?
for now
if you went from your wheels to some TD 15" or OZ
you could save up to 30kg
15" ford wheels would still be a benefit
what you need to do is do everything all the weight saving within reason THEN go for a thrash
dont do little bits and go out as it wont have the same effect
chris
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TimC
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| posted on 11/1/07 at 09:57 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Moorron
missed this thread, Hi Tim c. ive just replaced the s/steel tank with a 1.6 alloy one i made at work. Saved 10 kg. just removed the seats and weighted
them, each one was 12.5 kg, so if the 3kg grp ones are actually 3kg thats another 19 kg.
So far i have saved 29kg, almost 10% of the car. Just got to take a wheel off and compair it to some 15" ers i have from her puma (she will
never notice lol). I thought it was going to be impossible but it looks achievable without loosing the looks of the car.
All sounds good, but I'd start looking for a 3:18 diff! You'll need it.
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Moorron
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| posted on 11/1/07 at 02:45 PM |
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ive removed the bottle and brackets a long time ago. but im leaving the solinoids in as i havent even tried it yet. im doing all the work now whilst
the car is off the road for the winter, so it should feel fast, however i think it will even if i didnt do the mods as i have not used it for a few
months.
15" oz's should still look ok i think. Anyone got a weight of one with a 205 tyre fitted? so i can compair them with what i have.
I agree tim, but i want to retain LSD and have no idea if i can do this. I think this is the last thing on the list tho.
cheers.
Sorry about my spelling, im an engineer and only work in numbers.
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zxrlocost
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| posted on 11/1/07 at 03:26 PM |
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15" oz weighs about 5 kg dont know about the tyre
thats an OZ supeleggera by the way
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G.Man
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| posted on 11/1/07 at 04:46 PM |
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13kg's with 205 toyo 888's
Opinions are like backsides..
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bitsilly
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| posted on 11/1/07 at 07:45 PM |
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Discovered a good way of saving 7.5kg if it's an MNR factory built car. Just remove the lower 4 harness mount, this will result in a great steel
plate, which stretches the width of the car and 8inches wide, dropping onto the floor!
Then weld mounting plates onto the bottom of the chassis. How come you didn't think of that Marc??
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smart51
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| posted on 11/1/07 at 08:26 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by bitsilly
Discovered a good way of saving 7.5kg if it's an MNR factory built car. Just remove the lower 4 harness mount, this will result in a great steel
plate, which stretches the width of the car and 8inches wide, dropping onto the floor!
Then weld mounting plates onto the bottom of the chassis. How come you didn't think of that Marc??
Eh? I'm sure my car doesn't have a big plate anywhere on it. My chassis has small triangular seatbelt mounts, not an 8" anything.
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chockymonster
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| posted on 11/1/07 at 08:48 PM |
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Originally posted by smart51
Eh? I'm sure my car doesn't have a big plate anywhere on it. My chassis has small triangular seatbelt mounts, not an 8" anything.
Mine doesn't either. Are you sure marc didn't put it in for extra strengthening?
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Dillinger1977
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| posted on 12/1/07 at 08:33 AM |
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ditto, that sounds rather odd!
-Rog
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bitsilly
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| posted on 12/1/07 at 04:42 PM |
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Yep, a little odd to say the very least. It was not attached to the chassis in any way so could not strengthen anything. I presumed it was a bodge to
get it through on SVA day and then forgotten about.
Marc?
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smart51
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| posted on 12/1/07 at 06:16 PM |
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was it a racing car? perhaps it was ballast to make up the weight to racing specs. Bottom of the car would be the best place for it.
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RichieC
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| posted on 12/1/07 at 07:59 PM |
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eh ??????
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smart51
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| posted on 12/1/07 at 10:08 PM |
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If you race a car, you may be given a minimum weight for your car as part of the race rules. Most people try to make their car lighter than the
minimum and then add ballast to get up to the minimum. You add the weight to the car low down to reduce the CofG. You add it to the rear if it is
front heavy and vice versa, Adding weight to the centre if it is well balanced. the 8" steel plate may have been ballast.
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JoelP
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| posted on 12/1/07 at 10:24 PM |
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a few years back, the front running F1 ferraris had 100kgs of lead in the bottom.
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RichieC
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| posted on 12/1/07 at 10:47 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by smart51
If you race a car, you may be given a minimum weight for your car as part of the race rules. Most people try to make their car lighter than the
minimum and then add ballast to get up to the minimum. You add the weight to the car low down to reduce the CofG. You add it to the rear if it is
front heavy and vice versa, Adding weight to the centre if it is well balanced. the 8" steel plate may have been ballast.
I know all about that Colin, just wondering what bitsilly is on about
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