FFTS
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| posted on 11/12/09 at 11:43 PM |
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Engine transplant genius ;)
I live in Chorley Lancashire and may be looking for someone who could take a pinto out of my MK Indy and drop in a 2.0 Zetec. I have a type 9 gearbox.
Really looking for an enthusiastic genius as I could take it to a local garage and not be as sure they would do as good a job.
Any ideas how many hours it would be looking at?
Parts needed?
Price?
I can manage decent beer money and great curry and strong tea 
Chris.
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mcerd1
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| posted on 11/12/09 at 11:46 PM |
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have you got the zetec yet ?
if so is it a black top or a silver top ?
are you planning to run it with carbs or EFI ? (and what type)
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FFTS
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| posted on 11/12/09 at 11:51 PM |
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Zetec blacktop bidding on fleabay at the moment but not hard to get hold of. I'm on a tight budget and would love injection etc but think I
may have to go the bike carbs route to start
withLinky
Chris.
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mcerd1
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| posted on 12/12/09 at 12:12 AM |
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I'll start off your parts list then (I'm sure others will add to it)
1) a flywheel, clutch, starter and spigot bearing combination (I know there are a few options here, but I'm not sure which work best/ are the
cheapest)
2) engine mounts
3) carbs + manifold
4) exhaust (differnt manifold, and on the other side of the car I think)
5) megajolt or similar ignition only ECU (~£90-100 for a built megajolt)
the coil and plugleads will come with you engine, but you'll need an EDIS4 if your using megajolt (£10-20)
you won't need a trigger wheel if you keep the zetec flywheel (£15-20 if you change to a CVH flywheel)
You could buy an ECU that can be used/upgraded for full EFI later (e.g. Emerald, Omex, etc.... they don't need an EDIS) but they arn't
cheap 
of course if you want you could keep the stock EFI and ignition - if you like playing with electronics that is......
(I know its been done, but don't ask me - I binned all the EFI stuff that came with my pinto  )
[Edited on 12/12/09 by mcerd1]
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Dusty
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| posted on 12/12/09 at 12:57 AM |
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As a budget ignition you can use a Distributorless Ignition System ESC module from a 1.1-1.3 HCS engined Mk3 escort. This reads manifold pressure,
crank position and engine temp and has a 3D spark advance map (not for a zetec but no worse than a conventional dizzy). Should be cheapo from scrappy
with its simple loom and sensors.
An EDIS4 by itself will also work but has no map, just fixed 12 deg advance.
More cheapness. Have the zetec flywheel drilled for the sierra clutch pressure plate and swop all the clutch bits from the pinto to the zetec,
including the release bearing.
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cliftyhanger
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| posted on 12/12/09 at 08:53 AM |
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I am the wrong end of the country
But the tight budget bit worries me.
ball park figures to buy stuff
sparks £150-200 (unless you use the escort bits, but then it is defeating the object a bit)
Carbs, £200-400
Engine £150-200
Manifold £100 upwards!!!
Add engine mounts, plumbing etc etc another £100 or more
Thats at least £500 in bits.And there is no shortened sump etc in there. Plus the fitting. Way more than can be done in a day, probably nearer
3-4 with fiddling about. And thats not generous, these things are better spread over a longer time period so you have time to wait as the parts you
didn't realise you needed are found!
Of course, if you can get ALL the bits, and prepare the engine ready to drop in, the swap itself could be done in a few hours, and then you could do
all the faffy bits after?
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phil clegg
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| posted on 12/12/09 at 09:41 AM |
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i agree with clifthhanger ,its no quick in and out,i would come and take it out for you ,you could then assemble /swop all the patrs then i would give
you a lift to put back in ,but you will have to do a lot of the assembly etc yourself.the info is all available on here,i am local and have
crane,maybe do a bit more research on here, phil 01254382963
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FFTS
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| posted on 12/12/09 at 10:19 PM |
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All the info and advice is highly appreciated. Please keep anything extra coming.
I'm pretty mechanically illiterate but work ok with the right guidance 
Got an engine sorted here Linky
Can get bike carbs £50ish
and am very talented about being relentless to find what I want at a bargain price.
I'd love to just be able to afford the best but I have to do with the best I can do according to the money. Skydiving instruction doesnt pay too
much in the UK winter
[Edited on 12/12/09 by FFTS]
Chris.
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cliftyhanger
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| posted on 13/12/09 at 08:13 AM |
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Yep, carbs can be had cheaply. What about inlet manifold? Filters? and then tuning them, please do not just drill the jet and think that will do it,
they will need sorting ideally on a rolling road.
I do not want to be a damp squib, but hope that you do not run out if cash halfway through!
An awful lot of the work is just nuts and bolts, so you should be able to do a fair chunk with some guidance. In fact engine in/out is pretty easy
with a crane.....
[Edited on 13/12/09 by cliftyhanger]
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welderman
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| posted on 13/12/09 at 09:37 AM |
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i was going to say try on here to see what you would need mate, happy shopping for now, will speak soon
Joe
Thank's, Joe
I don't stalk people
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/forum/23/viewthread.php?tid=172301
Back on with the Fisher Fury R1
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HOL
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| posted on 15/12/09 at 12:41 PM |
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You will also need a zetec friendly alternator bracket, and an idler for the water pump, and a waterrail or alloy rail for the top hose.
Look to the other kit car manufacturers (such as Tiger) for these sort of parts before expensive options such as raceline. The quality wont be as
good, but they will do the job fine.
Lots of the parts you need come up cheaply second hand. Sumps for example often come up on the Tiger Forum where people go racing and buy the raceline
one.
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ban1216
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| posted on 15/12/09 at 06:43 PM |
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I bought a set of carbs and inlet from chester sport cars and they have rolling roaded there tigers on zetec 2 litres and 1.8s and all they do is
drill the main jets out to 1.7 mm theay use mega jolt on there cars and i can forward the map to you if required
THey have not had any issues but for peace of mind would be worth a quick rolling road session to check for your application
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FFTS
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| posted on 15/12/09 at 11:09 PM |
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Thanks for the info and keep anything coming you may think useful. I've seen megajolts here
Linky
But guess you can pick them up for less 2nd hand. A bike breakers near me qouted £50 for CBR1000 and Yamaha R1 carbs though no R1's in just at
the mo. Where can I source a used zetec bike inlet and exhaust manifold apart from here and fleabay? Do I need to think about a cat for the exhaust
(not sure of the year of the engine yet but can find out)
Chris.
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mcerd1
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| posted on 16/12/09 at 01:10 AM |
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there is always bogg brothers, but I don't think you'll want to pay there prices (very nice alloy manifolds though)
http://www.boggbros.co.uk/gallery2.html
also they are worth keeping in mind when it comes to a rolling road setup
other than that I think I've seen a couple of folk advertising on here
triggerwheels.com should be fine to deal with, but you can get the same stuff a bit cheaper if you do a bit more leg work
I got the my megajolt from PaulF on here (£90 at the time for a v3.1, but that was a while back) but you can save even more if you build it
yourself
I got the EDIS4, coilpack, VR sensor and a complete loom with no cuts in it from a K reg escort in the local scrap yard for £25
oh and ZX9R carbs would be just as good as R1's for your engine
most of the later bike carbs have a TPS - R1's & R6's do and so do most ZX9R & ZX6R (the very early ones don't)
[Edited on 16/12/09 by mcerd1]
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RK
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| posted on 16/12/09 at 02:19 AM |
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From my angle, that MS setup looks like a very good price.
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ban1216
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| posted on 16/12/09 at 07:28 AM |
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Chester sports cars use zx6r carbs with a tps so i got the same carbs to help save money on set up costs
I believe that the larger carbs can be a bit much for a zetec and the 36 mm ones from the zx6r are more tractable low down and give better torque
I also bought my inlet from chester sportscars (boggbros)for £180
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FFTS
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| posted on 16/12/09 at 10:07 AM |
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"MS" setup????? Sorry to be slow? Whats MS?
Private to officer.... I'm getting really lost with all the TLA's sir..
Whats a TLA private?
A F****N "Three Letter Abbreviation" sir
Chris.
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mcerd1
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| posted on 16/12/09 at 10:34 AM |
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MS = megasquirt (or microsquirt I guess)
i.e. a DIY [do it yourself] ECU's [engine control unit] that does the fuel injection as well
[Edited on 16/12/09 by mcerd1]
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cd.thomson
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| posted on 16/12/09 at 10:36 AM |
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No thats MJ (megajolt) not MS (megasquirt) .
Don't buy from there, buy from http://www.trigger-wheels.com, £166 gets you the unit, the loom, mounting brackets etc.
megajolt DIY kits cost £70ish before import duty.
DUR just realised it includes EDIS and comes from tiggerwheels anyway sorry!
[Edited on 16/12/09 by cd.thomson]
Craig
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