russbost
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| posted on 10/9/12 at 07:41 AM |
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Registering a kitcar in Holland?
I believe we have a few members on here from Holland - can they or anyone else give me any info on what's involved with registering a kit built
vehicle in Holland. Particularly with reference to a recently built kit which is already IVA tested & registered in the UK.
Any info much appreciated. 
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Puzzled
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| posted on 10/9/12 at 02:00 PM |
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Under EU regulations , all participating countries MUST accept details on Reg documents from each country within the EU.When I imported a kit car into
Ireland from UK, the Powers that Be , insisted the car was a New car because of the fact that THEIR rules stated the "Age of the car, relates to
when the CHASSIS was first put on the road" I insisted that the EU rule be applied instead of local "Rule". They backed down, and I
won . As long as the car has a V5 and current MOT they cannot refuse entry OR registration.
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russbost
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| posted on 10/9/12 at 02:08 PM |
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Hmmm! I know that is the theory, but I also know that, for instance, Germany insist that the vehicle must comply with THEIR emission laws, which
basically means a full TUV test & because the vehicle won't have it's own set of emission figures, you have to get a set generated
which means 2 days on a rolling road & a 3000 Euro bill, so it certainly doesn't always follow that the receiving country will accept the
registration as presented on the V5.
Has anyone on here got personal experience of Holland itself?
I no longer run Furore Products or Furore Cars Ltd, but would still highly recommend them for Acewell dashes, projector headlights, dominator
headlights, indicators, mirrors etc, best prices in the UK! Take a look at http://www.furoreproducts.co.uk/ or find more parts on Ebay, user names
furoreltd & furoreproducts, discounts available for LCB users.
Don't forget Stainless Steel Braided brake hoses, made to your exact requirements in any of around 16 colours.
http://shop.ebay.co.uk/furoreproducts/m.html?_dmd=1&_ipg=50&_sop=12&_rdc=1
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rost
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| posted on 10/9/12 at 03:27 PM |
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Regulations aren't that much of a problem, the car has to pass the Dutch MOT (APK) and it will be OK.
The biggest problem is our extra tax on cars, it used to be 25% of the car's value. On newer cars this is dependent on the CO2 emission of the
car. There's not a single kit car with a stated CO2 emission so they use some sort of formula to determine it. The problem is that fairly high
powered light cars somehow end up with a really high CO2 emission, resulting in immense taxes.
From which year is the car?
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sebastiaan
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| posted on 10/9/12 at 05:27 PM |
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The above is spot on. Due to the unknown CO2 emissions of kitcars the RDW (Dutch vehicle registration office) use an approximation formula for this
purpose. The formula for a manual petrol car is:
CO2 = 0,047 * mass (in kg) + 0,561 * power (in kW) + 56,621 [g/km]
And the resulting registration tax is dependent on the both the new value of the car and the CO2 emissions. The value based part is11,1% of the new
value currently, this percentage goes down next year and the CO2-related part will go up as part of a scheme to make the tax fully CO2-driven. The CO2
emission driven part is then calculated as follows:
the first 110g/km are "free"
110-180 g/km: 94 euro per gramme
180-270 g/km: 280 euro per gramme
270+: 654 (!!!) euro per gramme
So, as an example: a car with a value of 20000 euro, 550kg and 180 BHp (132kW), so an average duratec-like seven thingy:
Value based tax: 11,1% * 20000= 2220 Euro
CO2 emission approximation: 0,047*550 + 0,561*132 +56,621 = 25,85 + 74,052 + 56,621 = 156,523 g/km, so let's say 156 gram.
CO2-based tax: 156-110= 46 grammes in band 1 (@ 94 euro/gramme) = 46*94= 4324 euro
Total registration tax = 2220+4324=6544 Euro....
Quite steep, right?
Same car, but with 3000BHP (220kW) comes out at 2220 (assuming the same value) + 13580 = 15800 Euro.....
Good luck!
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sebastiaan
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| posted on 10/9/12 at 05:29 PM |
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The above ^by the way holds for new cars. The total registration tax due is lowered with 1% of the tax due for a new car per month that the to be
imported car is "old", with a minimum "residual tax" of 10% of the initial value.
For cars with a date of first registration in another country BEFORE 2010, it is significantly cheaper (think ~200 to 2000 euro depending on the age
of the vehicle)
Quite complicated, eh? ;-)
In practice this means that importing newish cars from the UK to the Netherlands is just to expensive to make sense.......
How old is the car in question?
[Edited on 10/9/12 by sebastiaan]
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russbost
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| posted on 10/9/12 at 07:43 PM |
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Many thanks for all the info.
"How old is the car in question?"
Possibility of 2 cars, one was Uk registered December last year, the other February this year.
I no longer run Furore Products or Furore Cars Ltd, but would still highly recommend them for Acewell dashes, projector headlights, dominator
headlights, indicators, mirrors etc, best prices in the UK! Take a look at http://www.furoreproducts.co.uk/ or find more parts on Ebay, user names
furoreltd & furoreproducts, discounts available for LCB users.
Don't forget Stainless Steel Braided brake hoses, made to your exact requirements in any of around 16 colours.
http://shop.ebay.co.uk/furoreproducts/m.html?_dmd=1&_ipg=50&_sop=12&_rdc=1
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on_eighty_runner
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| posted on 28/10/12 at 05:40 PM |
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This calculation/ assumption is in the technical section of 2007 46 ec the framework regulations for cars. There are also calls for automatic, diesel
and hybrid. These are for low volume cars which it would be unreasonable to expect a full rolling road measurement. The petrol automatic figures are
most of interest as they give a lower figure than a manual version for lighter cars! 200 bhp is still possible to the 110 g co2/km target. You just
need a clutch actuator for the test!
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alfas
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| posted on 3/11/12 at 11:41 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by russbost
Hmmm! I know that is the theory, but I also know that, for instance, Germany insist that the vehicle must comply with THEIR emission laws, which
basically means a full TUV test & because the vehicle won't have it's own set of emission figures, you have to get a set generated
which means 2 days on a rolling road & a 3000 Euro bill, so it certainly doesn't always follow that the receiving country will accept the
registration as presented on the V5.
Has anyone on here got personal experience of Holland itself?
some further infos about the german regulations:
the emission classification and all other things like safety, noise etc. of the vehicle is determined by the "date of 1st registration"
and NOT by the engine-age
this means, for example, a 2011 vehicle have to fullfill Euro5, with all its rules (like OBD2, collecting tank fumes etc.), surplus you need to apply
for certain certificates of exemption in terms of airbag, light leveling system etc.
the noise level has to comply with the demands of the 2011 law.
even when the engine would be used with the original engine-management (like ford or vauxhall), yu cannot take the "original" emission
figures from the donor car, as the exhaust differs from the "donor" vehicle, also the cars weight is differnt you need to bring the car to
the TÜV´s emission lab, they drive certain emision relevant cycles on their rolling road to determine if the car complies with the necessary emission
levels.
only cars with a reg-date from 1991 or older are tested with a normal emission test (garage or mot station), after 1992 a catalytic converter is
compulsary and the below emission figures need to be reached
Euro 1 from 1. Jul. 1992
Euro 2 from 1. Jan. 1996
Euro 3 from 1. Jan. 2000
Euro 5 from 1. Sep. 2009
Euro 6 from 1. Sep. 2014
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